[Parzival]

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(05-10-2016 07:04 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

In other news - Putin offers Britons land in Siberia to resettle there thus recreating the old Empire:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6680...-in-Russia

Frankly I would go. Modern technology can make Siberia a good place to live. So long as the new place keeps diversity at bay or invites only fitting diversity, then it has a chance.

https://www.rt.com/politics/338775-duma-...troducing/

Duma committee approves bill for free handover of Russian territory to foreigners

The current document provides for the free handover of 1 hectare (about 2.5 acres) of land to foreign citizens. However, foreigners will only be allowed to use the land, and the registration of full property rights is only possible after the naturalization of potential owners.

The original bill was drafted by the Russian government in November last year. The explanations attached to the document read that the authorities expect the free land handover to attract more people to the Far East Federal District, to slow or stop the outward migration of locals, and to boost the socio-economic development of the territory.

I didn't find anything where you can apply for this. Maybe its just available in russian.
When you want to become a settler there, what kind of living / business would you start? Or would you just farm? There are no informations what Russian authorities would provide you as tools or help. What are things that you need to settle? Personal I'm an engineer and have no idea about farming so far. How much money would you need to start because you need tools, you need a gun / rifle for sure, maybe dogs and food for the start.
When you have to start everything from the scratch, like our ancestors did but with modern knowledge and technology, how to start? I think start a trade with other settlers will help for sure.

[Mercenary]

Lets get down to the real question RVF readers are interested in.
What kind of girls are you going to find in these far off and remote places ?

If you can find (preferably virgin) wife material that you can lock down and raise a family with there, then I'll seriously consider it.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Maybe the soil and climate is much different in Siberia than I imagine, but I would think you'd need a lot more than 2.5 acres (more like 250) to produce enough yield in whatever crop you were growing to make it worth it. Modern equipment is expensive and even if Russia subsidized local farmers, it would take too much time to start from scratch.

2.5 acres would be enough to build an energy efficient cabin, live off the land, and make money through a local and/or online business with sufficient revenue streams. But you'd need to bring a healthy startup fund with you to make it through the first year. Free land is probably not free at all. If it was worth anything they wouldn't be giving it away.

[mammal]

(05-10-2016 10:16 AM)Gustavus Adolphus Wrote:  

local and/or online business...

Free land is probably not free at all. If it was worth anything they wouldn't be giving it away.

Land that needs to be given away probably is out in the sticks with harsh climate, short growing season. Siberia!!!!
Likely no wifi, no electricity, heat/cook with wood, locals are getting the hell out which is why land needs to be given away. Sort of like row houses for $5K in Baltimore, Detroit, etc.

[Parzival]

They say, the land will be outside of big cities, only close to maybe a village. So Internet is questionable. In the article they say, you could get electricity for a lower price to give you some benefit. So its not like you are complete in the wild. I also have a russian girl that would dare to go there with me - till I have to eat her because I'm starving or sell her into prostitution. I thinks its maybe similar to the hut in Rocky IV. When you did mange 2 or 3 years you can provide survival training in the wild or offer "finding" seminars for managers with for a period of time. Or offer some alternative lifestyle seminars to some hippies. Those do it on your own communities rise. You can do camps.

This is nothing if you need the internet regular or want to bang a lot of girls of course. Nobody will hear your cries when you feel offended!

[NewMeta]

If there is no information on how to apply it might have been a mock deal, I wonder if Putin would give more realistic immigration options for Brits to move to Russia in future because it might actually work. Especially if the deal included, lets say, free Russian lessons and same as the Siberia deal, a passport within 5 years of living there.

I moved to Poland for much the same reasons as outlined in the article so it wouldnt be hard to believe that others feel the same way but just dont have the opportunity or push to go through with it.

[frozen-ace]

I should write a data sheet about living in the bush. It is an amazing and mind blowing experience, but I don't know many people who could put up with it. I don't know where the land in Russia would be, or how remote it is (Russia is a huge place), but I imagine it would not be too dis-similar to my experience living north of the arctic circle and far away from everything.

Growing food- very difficult to grow anything due to short growing season, random frost hits, no sunlight to extreme sunlight (some plants need hours of darkness to properly grow), worms in the soil, ground rodents, and other pests.

Dogs- full time job keeping a set of dogs. You will need about 20 or 30, more or less depending on your needs and how hard you work them. Lots of work with training. And they get hurt (ice gets packed in between their toes and cuts them, and once that happens they refuse to run / move). You also have to feed them. Most people in the bush get out of dogs because they cannot afford them. If you buy commercial dog food it's expensive (how do you get it to your remote location?? Plane? Boat? Not cheap). The other alternative is to fish. Guess what- you spend all summer catching fish (such as salmon) and then cutting and drying it, just to feed your damn dogs your all winter.

Clothing- walking around in -60 Fahrenheit is no joke. You don't want to go outside. Imagine having a little log cabin where there's hardly any room for your stuff and you don't even want to step foot outside? Most commercial grade stuff isn't even close to appropriate, you need to get decked out with fur unless you want to end up with frostbite.

Fuel / wood- how will you hear your place? Fuel? How will you get it to your cabin? What happens if your heater breaks and its -60, will you just drive to the corner store and pick up a part? Wood is a ton of work. And if you have a wood stove, it's a ton of work keeping that thing going on a deep cold winter (imagine your sleep pattern when you have to get up every 4 hours to keep wood on the fire).

Water- how will you get water? Will you have running water? Probably not. So if you are lucky enough to have a water source you might be able to put it in buckets. You will be taking a shit in an outhouse at -60. You will be trying to conserve water and reuse water. Lots of sickness from this if you get lazy and aren't sanitary. Or you will be taking your dogs to the river with buckets, busting through the ice with an ace (no easy task) and getting water that way. Or taking ice chunks back to your house to melt inside for water.

Food- again, how will you get food? Store nearby? Will it be cheap? If I want milk it's $20 a gallon. Bread is $10 a loaf. And that's when it's available. Will you live a subsistence lifestyle? Will you hunt? Do you know how to hunt? How will you preserve your meat once you get it? You drop a moose for the first time you learn real quick...fuck that thing is heavy!!! You will destroy your knees.

People- crazy. Really. Every single person I've met in the bush is crazy in one way or another, or in every way! And I mean the real kind of crazy. And no women or crazy women. Or women with serious problems or baggage. You come back into civilization and will literally want to fuck anything.

Medical- no access unless you take an expensive trek to town or a plane flight to a specialist. I've seen people go months with a simple condition that spirals out of control because it's too much of a hassle to go to town. Or people die because they need to go to the hospital and they have to wait a few hours for a special plane to fly out and pick them up, and by then it's too late. And that's if you are near a landing strip...knew a guy who was out with his family on a hunt, he ran into some trouble and died in their arms before the plane could get there. Had he been in town he'd still be alive.

Smoke from wood stoves, alcohol abuse (again almost every person I've met is a serious alcoholic), cigarettes, lack of food and lack of medical...combo is not good for a ripe, old age.

People have a very romantic view of getting away and "living off the land" or whatever. It's rough, and Mother Nature doesn't give a shit about you and will kick your ass. I see lots of occasional tourists and drifters in the short summers...but it's winter 8 months of the year, and that's when the real hard living takes place.

Maybe the land and conditions in Russia are much better, but I doubt it.

[TheMoscower]

Actually its not about Siberia but about Far East of Russia. Its free for russian citizens. And it can be close to big cities from that region.

But if you really interested and understand how agriculture works I recommend you just buying some land in european part of Russia. It cheap if your funds are un usd or eu. You can buy it even in moscow region, 100 km from Moscow for example. People do not build cottages that far so land is cheaper there.

[Chaos]

Oi frozen-ace! Whereabout are you?

You sound like my dramatic neighbour on the other side of the river.

[RandomGuy1]

The reason for that is that Russia is getting invaded by Chines people in the east. Putin has to make this region more attractive to his own people therefore he/they came out with this idea.

Russian people don't want to go there because this 'deal' is not worth the hassle. It's, of course, the opposite they want to leave this region.

Chinese people don't care about the one individual, only the group counts and (not only) because of that you already have Chinese-only regions there. They work in the forest and produce keen lumbers and some work in mines too. The Chinese are okay with approx. 1/3 of the salary a Russian would demand.

Also the naturalization process for the Chinese people relieved. I heard something about that they don't even have to pass a language test. For what when you have no people there who speak Russian.

It's a lot of fuss about nothing if you ask me.