[XPQ22]

Who hasn't heard these lines before?

Of course we have. And some guys don't think too deeply about it; just brush it off as another girl hamsterization technique. "Well, she's just saying that because she doesn't want me to think she's a slut."

Now that may be true as far as it goes, but now that I'm a little more experienced in game, I took a little more time to think more carefully about this tired old trope.

What if what she's saying...is essentially true? From a certain point of view.

The problem may be a matter of interpretation. What I realized is that when I heard a girl say these words, what I was thinking the interpretation was:

"I never do this! I usually like to get to know a guy much better before we have sex. You know, chat online a bit, go out on several dates, really make an emotional connection before we take things into the sexual realm. But wow, I was just able to make that connection with you so quickly that I didn't feel able to resist."

But there's another interpretation, and some of my experiences got me thinking about how the "anti-slut defense" explanation doesn't hold a lot of water.

There have been a couple girls who I didn't sleep with on the first date, but on the second. A few. Most of the time if sex didn't happen fairly rapidly, things quickly fell apart and I never heard from them again. But there were a few that for whatever reason, seemed to want to come back to give it another go.

I guarantee you'll never hear "I never do this!" if you fuck a girl on the second date, instead of the first. Ever.

So say your first date lasted four hours, and you go on a second a few days, maybe a week later, and have sex two hours in. So...if you have sex after she's known you in person for four hours, she's worried that you'll think of her as a slut, but after six hours, she doesn't have that concern anymore? As the kids would say today - really?



There's another interpretation:

"I (almost) never do this! Frankly, I've been on a lot of dates with corny guys lately. It was fairly obvious that they were corny about 15 minutes in, but I was polite and let things draw to a natural end after two hours, and gave them a hug before I walked to the subway station. They did just about nothing to differentiate themselves from the other guys I met. A few of them texted me later, saying they enjoyed the evening and wanted to see me again. But if I didn't feel a connection the first time out, what are the chances it will somehow magically appear the second or third time?

There was this one other guy though. He was handsome enough, and seemed to be a much more interesting person than the last. I hadn't had sex in a couple weeks, and was feeling pretty lonely and insecure. We started making out outside the bar, and I let him squeeze my tits. But while he was superficially charming, I started to get the sense that I was just another girl to him. That he felt there was nothing to differentiate me from all the other girls he's probably slept with. I mean, I hate it when guys pedestalize me and do all that sappy romance stuff, but I sure don't like feeling as if I'm just another notch. I told him I was tired and had to get to work early. I didn't return his texts either - it was his fault for not wanting to get to know me better as a person.

But you! You seemed to hit the right buttons. You were enjoyable non-corny company, looked like you put some effort into getting ready for the date (but in a completely natural way), and while you listened to the things I said, you didn't just tell me a bunch of stuff that I wanted to hear either. You were something else. I was kinda worried that if I didn't let things move along, I'd never hear from you again. I mean yeah, if I look back in the grand scheme of things, I've had sex on the first date plenty of times. But only with guys like you. Honestly, if you think about it, compared to the number of guys who have put their bid in, I (almost) never do this."

Be an "I never do this!" guy.

[General Stalin]

Good perspective. That is really an example of "game." Pushing the right buttons and making yourself attractive enough to a woman that she wants to have sex with you. Striking the perfect balance between comforting and challenging.

It's important to remember, however, that you are not going to be the "I never do this!" guy to anyone and everyone. Unless you are fake and mold your personality and game to all different types of women, then you are always going to have type(s) that you generally connect with.

There are different schools of thought there. You either figure out the types you work best with and screen for those, or you find the types you like the most and mold yourself to them.

[No Habit]

Inspiring.

[XPQ22]

(04-27-2016 02:48 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

There are different schools of thought there. You either figure out the types you work best with and screen for those, or you find the types you like the most and mold yourself to them.

For my part I do best when I take the former approach, rather than the latter.

[Mr. D]

(04-27-2016 02:26 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

There's another interpretation:

"I (almost) never do this! Frankly, I've been on a lot of dates with corny guys lately. It was fairly obvious that they were corny about 15 minutes in, but I was polite and let things draw to a natural end after two hours, and gave them a hug before I walked to the subway station. They did just about nothing to differentiate themselves from the other guys I met. A few of them texted me later, saying they enjoyed the evening and wanted to see me again. But if I didn't feel a connection the first time out, what are the chances it will somehow magically appear the second or third time?

There was this one other guy though. He was handsome enough, and seemed to be a much more interesting person than the last. I hadn't had sex in a couple weeks, and was feeling pretty lonely and insecure. We started making out outside the bar, and I let him squeeze my tits. But while he was superficially charming, I started to get the sense that I was just another girl to him. That he felt there was nothing to differentiate me from all the other girls he's probably slept with. I mean, I hate it when guys pedestalize me and do all that sappy romance stuff, but I sure don't like feeling as if I'm just another notch. I told him I was tired and had to get to work early. I didn't return his texts either - it was his fault for not wanting to get to know me better as a person.

But you! You seemed to hit the right buttons. You were enjoyable non-corny company, looked like you put some effort into getting ready for the date (but in a completely natural way), and while you listened to the things I said, you didn't just tell me a bunch of stuff that I wanted to hear either. You were something else. I was kinda worried that if I didn't let things move along, I'd never hear from you again. I mean yeah, if I look back in the grand scheme of things, I've had sex on the first date plenty of times. But only with guys like you. Honestly, if you think about it, compared to the number of guys who have put their bid in, I (almost) never do this."

Be a shoulder with a boner. Got it.

[XPQ22]

(04-27-2016 03:12 PM)Mr. D Wrote:  

Be a shoulder with a boner. Got it.

If you listen to Western women talk, you'll hear time and again that they want a guy who is "not too much of this, not too much of that."

They want an "average guy." Average in a very exceptional way.

Walk the knife edge and be "exceptionally average." At least before you've fucked her.

[Vincent Chase]

You can brainfuck yourself until eternity trying to work out why a women wouldn't sleep with you after 4 hours than 6 hours. At the end of it all women are products of their environments which condition them to feel a certain way. There is no logic to it.

Your translation is on point. Certainly if you constantly hear "I never do this" you are in the 5% of men women "never do this" with.

Women generally not returning after the first date if you don't sleep with them is one of the biggest challenges in modern game.

You only have one shot.

Once you are advanced enough in game you are able to flip the script and make it clear without actually saying it that the girl herself only has one shot.

Now you're on a level playing field.

Strangely women will no longer need those two hours to sleep with you.

Strange isn't it.

[AneroidOcean]

I opened this thread expecting the semi-advanced game tactic of turning around what women say right to their face.

Women say "I never do this!"

Say to them, "woah we can't do this" and then pull her in for another deep passionate kiss.

Push her away "damn you taste good, let's go over her and cool off"

I've done this before, avoids LMR entirely and makes them so damn horny/wet when you're teasing them (flipping the script) that they practically rip your clothes off and then let you do anything you want to them.