[Marlo]

Hey all! I’ve been reading the forum for years now, really appreciate the the forum. All of it, I’m learning everyday.
Thought i’d share some thoughts I’ve been flipping around in my head lately - feel free to criticise if you disagree, not meant to be hating on anyone, just my two cents.. Maybe this is just some late night rambling, anyways --


I see a lot of young cats in my day to day.. trying to act in a way they think is “alpha”.. in social situations they to try to dominate others.. They try to be the “man” - being the one that drinks the most, fucks the most girls, is the hardest, got the biggest dick.. You know the type. I was like that at some point myself, but as the years have passed I’ve started to see the whole thing from a different perspective.. I often see posters on here worrying about what’s alpha - and if how they’re acting in a given situation is beta, - and so I thought I’d share my thoughts on how to approach the goal we all seem to pursue..

What I often see is guys with deep-seated insecurities coming to the community to answer the question - what is a man.. Am I an attractive man? Can i improve? And so they learn about alpha and beta behaviour.. “fake it till you make it..” They learn how to cover up their insecurities.. And often with negative behaviour. Imposing yourself as “alpha male of the group” is an example. “Amoging”. But the way I see it, there’s no such thing as Alpha or beta.. It’s an imaginary thing, created so that you can fake it till you make it, and at some point in your life I think It should become redundant. Of course you can handle situations like a man, stand up for yourself and stand your ground, refuse to be pushed around and pursue your passions with fury, be successful.. And people will respect you and love you for it. but.. I don’t think there’s a beta or alpha way of things, it’s all about you and what you’re about; your frame. This obsession about being alpha is counter intuitive; being alpha is, as far as I can tell, to be comfortable with who you are and what you’re about.. And to have a healthy dose of self respect to go along with that .. If you lead a life where you truly respect yourself you’d never entertain a girl that didn’t show appreciation for what you’re about, you wouldn’t let anyone push you around and you’d certanly wouldn’t offer disrespectful bitches the time of your day. Often “beta” behaviour is simply a sign of a lack of self respect and comfort in who you are and what you’re about, a lack of goals.. - so you seek validation - guys worrying about acting “alpha” is the same thing; you’re not comfortable with who you are and what you’re about so you need to impose an image of yourself as this alpha man that no-one fucks with to cover up your insecurities.. they’re two sides of the same coin..

I never try to dominate nor impose my authority in situations with other guys, in social groups.. nor impose my authority on girls.. it’s an utterly useless endeavour, why the fuck do you care!? You have nothing to gain! Take the path of least resistance; Let go, you can’t control shit. Learn your limits and who you are.. what you’re about and pursue that shit will all that you have.. People will respect you, girls will want you - and those that don’t - well, they’re not even a part of the fucking equation or even a part of your world! Feminism!? I don’t even know what the fuck that shit is, I don’t even see it, it simply aint a part of my world! Disrespectful women? I never meet em, don’t talk to them, don’t see em’ - they’re just not a part of my world because I fucking love myself and I don’t deal with bitches that don’t show respect - Learn who you are and show some deep respect for yourself and what you’re about and it’ll be no need to act alpha or worrying about being beta; you’ll self regulate.. Your frame will play whatever situation you find youself in to your favour.. and you’ll do your thing regardless of what’s happening.


I’ve learnt a lot from the community and I don’t disregard that certain behaviour is to be preferred in certain situations.. But I think it’s a thing worth reflecting on -- how you can lead a lifestyle where you'll self regulate, having a mindset where there's no such thing as alpha or beta, just you and your frame..

Make of it what you will,

Marlo

[Cobra]

I appreciate your thoughts but..

If you want to vomit, there are toilet bowls to do that in. The forum is not it (at least not for starting entire threads prefaced with vomited words).

Also, try not to start threads (like this) on topics that numerous threads already exist for. Post in the other threads first but learn how to organize paragraphs while you're at it. Starting threads on extensively covered topics like this in a disorganized way reeks of attention seeking behavior. That is for women, which is a group I sincerely hope that you are not a part of.

And for gods sakes, realize that the first letter in the title of a thread should be capitalized.

I redirect you to forum rules that you can easily find. Read those first before posting ever again.

My thoughts on your topic, and I've said it before: "Thinking too much about Alpha vs. Beta is Beta."

[Anabasis to Desta]

(03-14-2016 10:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

I appreciate your thoughts but..

If you want to vomit, there are toilet bowls to do that in. The forum is not it (at least not for starting entire threads prefaced with vomited words).

OP's post doesn't warrant such a reply.

He wrote a well thought out and informative post on the relationship between game, self-respect, living life on your own terms, being honest with yourself and creating your own reality.

Good stuff OP.

[Marlo]

(03-14-2016 10:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

I appreciate your thoughts but..

If you want to vomit, there are toilet bowls to do that in. The forum is not it (at least not for starting entire threads prefaced with vomited words).

Also, try not to start threads (like this) on topics that numerous threads already exist for. Post in the other threads first but learn how to organize paragraphs while you're at it. Starting threads on extensively covered topics like this in a disorganized way reeks of attention seeking behavior. That is for women, which is a group I sincerely hope that you are not a part of.

And for gods sakes, realize that the first letter in the title of a thread should be capitalized.

I redirect you to forum rules that you can easily find. Read those first before posting ever again.

My thoughts on your topic, and I've said it before: "Thinking too much about Alpha vs. Beta is Beta."

No reason getting all dramatic and angry here. Thought I had something to contribute with to the forum so I made a post sharing my thoughts, wasn't my intention to cause any offence. Good call on the heading though, edited it now.

Take it easy,

Marlo

[knockoutkid]

The O.P is well articulated. It does make one think. All if not most of your reasoning is true. Alpha or beta makes it short and concise.

What is your opinion on an alpha male who makes beta worthy decisions regarding women? What if he exemplifies all of the alpha characteristics with men but does almost the complete opposite regarding women? Athletes or rich guys who marry without prenups come to mind as examples.

I use alpha/beta within the confines of your definition.

[Phoenix]

I too often think about being alpha. Alpha is clearly best. As you can see, alpha is basically a man curled up after a huge bang session, with only his feet and colossal wang protruding on the right:


No one wants to be beta. Beta is clearly a corpulent man taking a massive diarrhea dump:

[Cobra]

I realize my abrasiveness may not be warranted but I still stand by my actual points especially on other threads. Additionally, it doesn't come from a place of anger, but rather extreme skepticism by having seen trolling and having called it out numerous times. For better or worse, I will sample certain newbie threads randomly to respond to when I see certain indicators. Maybe it discourages newbies from trolling; maybe it discourages trolls period. Maybe it doesn't do either but I'd rather say something and let it play itself out than not say anything. I know people don't like it but that doesn't bother me.

While extreme, based on the trolling lately, and eventual bans, you can understand my skepticism. I don't always do this, OP. You just happened to fall into the sample. Nothing against you or personal. I just value the forum.

Hopefully you can understand. OP, I will give your post a second read.

[ksbms]

(03-14-2016 10:19 PM)Marlo Wrote:  

But the way I see it, there’s no such thing as Alpha or beta.. It’s an imaginary thing, created so that you can fake it till you make it, and at some point in your life I think It should become redundant.

I think you'll have a very hard time arguing about it with, to start, primatologists.

[Marlo]

(03-15-2016 05:41 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 10:19 PM)Marlo Wrote:  

But the way I see it, there’s no such thing as Alpha or beta.. It’s an imaginary thing, created so that you can fake it till you make it, and at some point in your life I think It should become redundant.

I think you'll have a very hard time arguing about it with, to start, primatologists.

Well, you're right -. to argue that there's no such thing as alphas and betas with someone educated in monkey behaviour .. Primate social dynamics. Would indeed be a challenge.

But I still don't think life or human social dynamics can be viewed in such a black/white alpha/beta way. Its not nuanced enough to see what's really going on - its far more complex than such simple explanations..

At some point it really shouldn't matter, shouldn't be offered a thought, fuck what's alpha or beta, if you've built yourself a life where you take center stage, where you pursue your passions in life, in business. And have a healthy dose of self respect for what you've chosen to do with your life, it will all come into place without you having to give it a second thought.. Although it's nice to think that we are, we're not fucking hungry ass gorillas roaming round the woods looking crushing the opponents.. Although it sometimes feel like that, hehe.

Even though we might share 99% of our genetic makeup with primates, our social dynamics are far, far more complex than what a simple theory like the alpha/beta can explain.. If it wasn't more complex than that, it could all be faked. But when it all comes down to it. It can't be faked. Watch a guy that's learned how to use "alpha body language", how to talk, walk.. amog and neg like an "alpha" .. watch him walk into a room full of guys that's led lives where they pursue their interests in life with passion and fury, and an attitude in life where they don't deal with disrespectful women or men for that sake.. And watch him crumble. His frame got nothing on the guys that's built solid foundations based on real, solid things and that have a healthy dose of respect for themselves. Watch him crumble along with his fake frame. His frame isn't built on a solid foundation.. It's not anchored in real life things.. in himself - in his passions, accomplishments. It's built on what he think's is beta... or alpha. It's fake.

If you lead a life where you build a strong foundation grounded in real things you'll have deep roots, your behaviour and your frame will self regulate.. And I think that's what we should all go for, not being "alpha." People might think you're alpha, but.. the way I see it, it's got nothing to do with it; its got something to do with you being a solid man that's built his life on a solid foundation.. Alpha or beta is besides the point. While I think it's useful to use the label alpha and beta for learning purposes.. The real goal, I think.. Should be to lead a life where the labels are redundant because you've built your life in a way to make you a solid fucking man..



"What is your opinion on an alpha male who makes beta worthy decisions regarding women? What if he exemplifies all of the alpha characteristics with men but does almost the complete opposite regarding women? Athletes or rich guys who marry without prenups come to mind as examples."


Well, I’m not sure to be honest, it fucks with my head everytime I hear about stuff like that.. And i’m no oracle here.. But one thing I’ve experienced in life might offer us a hint.

I used to date this beautiful girl.. In my mind she was a 10, she was beautiful. Sexy.

Yet she hated herself. She wanted to fix everything bout her body, worrying about if she was fat, ugly.. Worried about everything from her nose to her fucking ear size.. Doing all this while everyone thought she was perfect, when girls envied her for her beauty..

I think that in many cases, how the world views a person.. And how that person views himself is vastly different. A man might be a super alpha in the eyes of other men.. But when he’s all alone he feels like a little insecure bitch wanting to cuddle up with mommy.. Might explain why certain guys, while appearing to be "alpha".. Still do insanely idiotic decisions when it comes to women.. I’m not sure. Some people are just self destructive.

[General Stalin]

In a biological sense, the "Alpha" is the male that bangs all the females and all other members of the given group defer to for guidance, leadership, and strength. They are the obvious choice for mating and leadership due to a combination of their strength, intellect, and overall survivability.

The "Beta" is a member who is currently unable to be the Alpha for all reasons above. They are a combination of weak, unintelligent, dependent, and inexperienced. Genetics also play into this.

The Alpha/Beta dichotomy we discuss and reference constantly in this community is a creative/philosophical/generalized perversion of that. We tend to think of Alpha/Beta as very individualized as a simple manner of self-conduct.

There are certainly clear Alphas and Betas within human social groups as with all other hominids.

The questions to be asked are: does it matter to you? Should it matter to you? Is you life better or worse thinking about alpha/beta?

Using the hierarchy as a template, the main idea is do prompt one to conduct themselves in a way that commands respect from others. In a way that a man can live his life on his own terms.

Some preach alpha is about being the guy all the girls want to fuck. Others preach that it is about going your own path regardless of who notices or cares and sex is just a corollary.

At the end of the day, most of it is just nerd shit and paralysis by analysis that a lot of newbs that discover manosphere get caught up in. If the info isn't adding value to your life then ignore it.