[XXL]

Put yourself in a traditionally minded, conservative girl and think where you would like to hang out, what kind of people you would surround yourself with, how you would like to meet a guy, etc.

I noticed that such girls tend to need some sort of connection with a guy to be open toward him. Cold approach may seem very romantic at first, almost like a fate based thing, but at the same time it's still very fast and random in general. For certain type of girls it feels just weird and "not right". For example, my GF told me [almost lectured me haha] that "normal" people meet each other either at school, at work, being introduced by someone or through something they have in common, attending same places and sharing same hobbies like going to the same dance classes or being part of the same traveling group etc.

Figure it out. And be social to people in general cause you have no idea who can introduce you to a girl your type. Don't count on that but you might be surprised how many opportunities you lose by ignoring people you're not interested in.

[johnbozzz]

(03-03-2016 12:25 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Put yourself in a traditionally minded, conservative girl and think where you would like to hang out, what kind of people you would surround yourself with, how you would like to meet a guy, etc.

I noticed that such girls tend to need some sort of connection with a guy to be open toward him. Cold approach may seem very romantic at first, almost like a fate based thing, but at the same time it's still very fast and random in general. For certain type of girls it feels just weird and "not right". For example, my GF told me [almost lectured me haha] that "normal" people meet each other either at school, at work, being introduced by someone or through something they have in common, attending same places and sharing same hobbies like going to the same dance classes or being part of the same traveling group etc.

Figure it out. And be social to people in general cause you have no idea who can introduce you to a girl your type. Don't count on that but you might be surprised how many opportunities you lose by ignoring people you're not interested in.

If I were to cold approach a girl, would you recommend exchanging texts with her for a bit before meeting up? Do these kinds of girls prefer easy things, like day time coffee?

[johnbozzz]

(03-03-2016 05:27 AM)262 Wrote:  

IMO, a better bet for the OP at 23 is to stack paper and Game casually until he's at least 30. Then do some combination of living off those investments and starting location-independent businesses to escape the West.

The only issue I have with this idea is that a lot of sweet girls/women (by the way at what age do you consider her to be a woman? 21 and up?) tend to be wary of men older than 27, especially if they are inexperienced.

[trainwreck]

(03-03-2016 02:01 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 05:27 AM)262 Wrote:  

IMO, a better bet for the OP at 23 is to stack paper and Game casually until he's at least 30. Then do some combination of living off those investments and starting location-independent businesses to escape the West.

The only issue I have with this idea is that a lot of sweet girls/women (by the way at what age do you consider her to be a woman? 21 and up?) tend to be wary of men older than 27, especially if they are inexperienced.

Disagree. It's a great filter. The ones who are confident enough to be around a male who has achieved things are the ones who you want be with. They'll also be the ones who are more understandable in the fact that you need own-time for the business you're running or growing. Mostly women/girls from rich families have this attribute. Its really this or they're spoiled up to their ass. Filter carefully.

[johnbozzz]

(03-03-2016 02:28 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 02:01 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 05:27 AM)262 Wrote:  

IMO, a better bet for the OP at 23 is to stack paper and Game casually until he's at least 30. Then do some combination of living off those investments and starting location-independent businesses to escape the West.

The only issue I have with this idea is that a lot of sweet girls/women (by the way at what age do you consider her to be a woman? 21 and up?) tend to be wary of men older than 27, especially if they are inexperienced.

Disagree. It's a great filter. The ones who are confident enough to be around a male who has achieved things are the ones who you want be with. They'll also be the ones who are more understandable in the fact that you need own-time for the business you're running or growing. Mostly women/girls from rich families have this attribute. Its really this or they're spoiled up to their ass. Filter carefully.

Are most girls going to want to play second fiddle to my achievements when I'm that age?

[The Black Knight]

(03-02-2016 08:56 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 08:43 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

But my experience has not been great with nurses. I seem to run into the ones who have a self-righteous complex due to the line of work and are very status conscious; but not in the overt materialistic way a lot of women can be like.

Self-righteous, as in, boasting about the difficulty of their jobs/additional volunteer work, online (Facebook) or in person?

Yeah, thinking they are the hardest workers on the planet and get the corresponding egos to match it. Nurses are constantly pumped up in the media as super hard workers (like the military) and doing a great thing. And while that's true in many instances, some people let that stuff go to their head and can be insufferable to be around.

I'm not discounting what a nurse does but you see this sort of attitude in sub-groups of the military, gov't employees, firefighters, teachers, nurses, PAs and so forth. You can see this kind of attitude anywhere really but any profession that has some altruistic objectives behind it that goes beyond money has a tendency to attract some self-righteous types who once working, start to believe their own bullshit.

[johnbozzz]

(03-03-2016 03:09 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 08:56 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 08:43 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

But my experience has not been great with nurses. I seem to run into the ones who have a self-righteous complex due to the line of work and are very status conscious; but not in the overt materialistic way a lot of women can be like.

Self-righteous, as in, boasting about the difficulty of their jobs/additional volunteer work, online (Facebook) or in person?

Yeah, thinking they are the hardest workers on the planet and get the corresponding egos to match it. Nurses are constantly pumped up in the media as super hard workers (like the military) and doing a great thing. And while that's true in many instances, some people let that stuff go to their head and can be insufferable to be around.

I'm not discounting what a nurse does but you see this sort of attitude in sub-groups of the military, gov't employees, firefighters, teachers, nurses, PAs and so forth. You can see this kind of attitude anywhere really but any profession that has some altruistic objectives behind it that goes beyond money has a tendency to attract some self-righteous types who once working, start to believe their own bullshit.

That was the issue I found with teachers, that they thought they were doing God's work.

[The Black Knight]

(03-03-2016 03:26 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 03:09 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 08:56 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 08:43 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

But my experience has not been great with nurses. I seem to run into the ones who have a self-righteous complex due to the line of work and are very status conscious; but not in the overt materialistic way a lot of women can be like.

Self-righteous, as in, boasting about the difficulty of their jobs/additional volunteer work, online (Facebook) or in person?

Yeah, thinking they are the hardest workers on the planet and get the corresponding egos to match it. Nurses are constantly pumped up in the media as super hard workers (like the military) and doing a great thing. And while that's true in many instances, some people let that stuff go to their head and can be insufferable to be around.

I'm not discounting what a nurse does but you see this sort of attitude in sub-groups of the military, gov't employees, firefighters, teachers, nurses, PAs and so forth. You can see this kind of attitude anywhere really but any profession that has some altruistic objectives behind it that goes beyond money has a tendency to attract some self-righteous types who once working, start to believe their own bullshit.

That was the issue I found with teachers, that they thought they were doing God's work.

Teachers have been a mixed bag.

Some never mention work or just casually when relevant (and are generally pleasant people) and others go on constantly about "their kids" and every micro-story related to their students like I should give a shit.

Passion is good when teaching obviously but this one slut teacher I knew could not turn off about work. Same chick had a big ego as well to match and was obnoxious to be around after a while since everything had to revolve around her feelings and thoughts; god forbid anything was said that knocked her down a notch back to reality. Super fragile ego held together by being a boss in the classroom and doing a semi-altruistic job.

Nothing new for women in general but the teacher gig certainly attracted her for a reason.

[XXL]

(03-03-2016 12:57 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 12:25 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Put yourself in a traditionally minded, conservative girl and think where you would like to hang out, what kind of people you would surround yourself with, how you would like to meet a guy, etc.

I noticed that such girls tend to need some sort of connection with a guy to be open toward him. Cold approach may seem very romantic at first, almost like a fate based thing, but at the same time it's still very fast and random in general. For certain type of girls it feels just weird and "not right". For example, my GF told me [almost lectured me haha] that "normal" people meet each other either at school, at work, being introduced by someone or through something they have in common, attending same places and sharing same hobbies like going to the same dance classes or being part of the same traveling group etc.

Figure it out. And be social to people in general cause you have no idea who can introduce you to a girl your type. Don't count on that but you might be surprised how many opportunities you lose by ignoring people you're not interested in.

If I were to cold approach a girl, would you recommend exchanging texts with her for a bit before meeting up? Do these kinds of girls prefer easy things, like day time coffee?

I'd text with her for a bit at first and call her once or twice in the middle of our text exchange.

As for a date anything is better going for a drink in a pub. Alcohol straight away might be off putting. Coffee, shopping [for yourself], ice cream works fine. Or tell her you're going to the best restaurant in the city with delicious food, sell the fuck out of it and then take her to a food truck for some quick snack that you like. It's funny.

[262]

(03-03-2016 02:35 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 02:28 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 02:01 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 05:27 AM)262 Wrote:  

IMO, a better bet for the OP at 23 is to stack paper and Game casually until he's at least 30. Then do some combination of living off those investments and starting location-independent businesses to escape the West.

The only issue I have with this idea is that a lot of sweet girls/women (by the way at what age do you consider her to be a woman? 21 and up?) tend to be wary of men older than 27, especially if they are inexperienced.

Disagree. It's a great filter. The ones who are confident enough to be around a male who has achieved things are the ones who you want be with. They'll also be the ones who are more understandable in the fact that you need own-time for the business you're running or growing. Mostly women/girls from rich families have this attribute. Its really this or they're spoiled up to their ass. Filter carefully.

Are most girls going to want to play second fiddle to my achievements when I'm that age?

Girl would rather play second fiddle to an accomplished man than be first fiddle to one who puts them on a pedestal.

Also, in the FSU and SEA (not sure about LatAm), you actually need to be at least a certain age for the girls to take you seriously.

It's only in the West, and especially the more liberal parts, where guys have to date girls their age ... or older ...

[nomadd]

Young nurses are almost never single, so all you have to do is to find the place where they study before they become a nurse.

[johnbozzz]

So high school girls. Guess I missed the boat on that one.

[nomadd]

nursing school

[godzilla]

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about with nurses. While it usually depends on what kind of Nurse she is. Many nurses I know are usually fucked up in the head from all the shit they see (like ER nurses). Sure there are some with less stressful doctor office jobs or some are on the 36 hours schedule. However, just about every nurse I know didn't get married until like 30. Many even burn themselves out becoming practitioners (which do make bomb salaries) and unmarried even past that. Nurses are infamous for being alcohol and drug abusers as well (never heard of Nurse Jackie; not exactly fiction.)

From just a job standpoint, I'd go with elementary school teachers. (not special ed. though)

And if you'll looking for conservative woman, churches are almost non-existant for women in major NE cities. Maybe the Southern cities are better. For example, many churches have been sold to developers in Philadelphia and turned in condos. and the girls at church in the inner cities are poor black, latinas or catholics who never left the city years ago, which from a looks standpoint, the quality is awful.

Try the suburbs though. A girl who still lives with her parents at 22-27 is pretty ideal in my opinion. Once they got "their own place" its a different story.

[Chauncey]

Anyone mention the Mormon church?

[debateman]

I live in the capital city of cock-carouseling, NYC, and I met a very nice conservative girl...online. Frankly, it is the only way I was able to do it. The site you ask? There are two options. I've had some luck meeting nice girls on OKC setting everything on the most conservative settings. Secondly, a religion or culturally specific dating site. Something like Christian mingle or jdate (the Jewish equivalent). Still, here, qualification is important, but the site does a lot of the work for you, so at least 1/4 to 1/3 will be passable rather than 1/40.

[Sought]

The pure and simple reality is that in certain cultures you can't. It's impossible.

Women are biologically designed to be permeable to their environments. Most of what they do is to fit in. In primitive days it would have been to fit into their tribe, if they hadn't they would have been thrown out and died in the wilderness. Nowadays it is to fit into society as a whole.

When you have a culture that encourages promiscuity, girls will be the first to follow. Not only is it deeply hardwired into them to do what the tribe tells them, but they also get a rush from sex/validation/affection etc. Hence there is both biological and social incentive. Sluts tend to be depressed and insecure, and this cycle tends to reinforce that, but while they do it they forget, and it becomes an endless cycle of self-medication.

Any guy who tells you he found a conservative girl in the West is an inexperienced beta who fell for the lie that she "only fucked 2 guys".

[eskimobobseal]

I started a thread about this when I joined the forum - home schooled girls. If you want a traditional girl with long hair and submissive feminine qualities find one that was home schooled.

[Kid Twist]

This may be my favorite thread so far ...

and the last 3 replies are insightful as well as appreciated.

Thanks.

ps - if you guys have any other tips or avenues to explore, I'd love the see them. I've never been about cycling through any group, not only was I not raised that way, I find it stupid. The sobering feeling of realizing you don't really care about someone, it was just the T that led you to that point is sorta sad.

You do have to have game and be alpha to some extent to get and maintain a relationship that is quality and that's why I visit these posts to see how to improve or maintain.

I wonder often how many girls though mistake self control (me not trying to bang immediately) for rejection and outright lose interest BECAUSE the culture is so messed up these days.