Just so you players know-
looks like this guy got some good sailboat sex as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RylPp6lkBw
looks like this guy got some good sailboat sex as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RylPp6lkBw
Quote: (02-26-2016 10:51 AM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:
As you spend more time with the sailboat on the lake, it is natural for you to want to become the master of what you are doing. Part of this is going faster, part of it is mastering your ability to maneuver by doing things like making tighter turns (coming about), part of it is trying to do many things at one time with little time to react (as the boat is approaching the shore line and you know that you need to act before the shit hits the fan). This is adrenaline and self-mastery at its finest as you get constant feedback from the boat and your environment. As corny as it may sound, this is part of being (and becoming) a man. The level just increases as the boats get bigger, the rigging is more complex, and the environment is more challenging.
After you have some initial lake experience, you may consider some racing in something like J-22´s as you hone your tactical skills. Racing is usually a team effort (especially if you move to 12 meter ocean racing). The level of certitude does not exist in racing (much like it does not exist in the middle of an ocean) as you are continuously forced to play off one potential gain vs. another or sometimes one type of loss vs. another type of loss. Sometimes you decide to trade the potential loss of speed in order to traverse a shorter distance, but then the wind changes. You must make up your mind prior and then act, deal with the consequences of your decision, adjust and make the next decision. This happens frequently as your environment (with other boats, the wind, and shoreline) is regularly changing. You are given constant feedback as you see how your decisions play in relation to where your boat is compared to another boat, a landmark, or a buoy. Following your instinct is normally better for an experienced sailor than a calculated decision. The goal then is to hone your instincts and racing will do that.
We left off in the other post at the 20-24 foot boats. Next we move to the boats that are 26-30 feet. These are better boats for large lakes and having a motor will be normal. You can use these boats on the great lakes, but I recommend the 30-34 foot range. You will have more deck as well as more room below. It is possible to take a boat like this on the ocean, but I would not make that recommendation. If you have strong experience, maybe for sailing in bays, or near shoreline. I would normally max out a lake boat in the 35-39. As mentioned before a Hunter is a good all-around moderately priced boat for lakes or on the ocean; it provides value. This is also the length where I recommend you begin true open water ocean sailing. For really comfortable big lake sailing, you can go in the 40-41(45) foot level. This is normally for comfort and because you just feel like having a bigger boat.
A good place to begin your ocean sailing is in a coastal bay that opens into the ocean. For me it was Chesapeake by in my late teens and early 20´s on 27 footers then 36 footers. San Diego, Tampa (I do not have experience here), San Francisco, Massachusetts bays also come to mind. If you are in Europe, head to the Mediterranean; Greece would be a nice place to start as would the Adriatic. When you move to ocean sailing, it is not like the transition from a motorcycle to a car, it is like the transition from a driving a car to flying an airplane. The skills required increase significantly, particularly in the area of decision making and safety. A boat captain, like an airline captain earns his money in an emergency or when there are problems, not in the routine sailing/flying. You may cross an ocean in the 26-30 foot range, but it will probably be very uncomfortable for most and a greater challenge. The 30-34 will be less uncomfortable and 35-39 feet doable. The issue is when you do not have fair weather and you want a wider beam (width of boat) and a deeper and heavier keel. We are talking monohulls so far. For ocean crossing, I normally would not go less than 40-44 with a preference for 45-51 feet. Realize that as a boat gets bigger, it is more difficult for one person to sail. There is a lot of rigging and the mast is taller to accommodate the larger sails need to move the boat forward. Hoisting that big ass main sail is serious work. At 51-55 feet for a monohull you are normally past a one person minimum unless you have significant experience.
Moving to catamarans. I have been sailing ocean cats for the past 17 years and I will not go back to the monohull. I enjoy the monohull and occasionally miss the rocking, but the catamaran is significantly more stable (with some rocking). The difference is like night and day. They are more comfortable and have more berthing area (area below the deck). The state rooms are bigger and the main salon (kitchen, eating area) is significantly larger. The surface area of the deck is greater and there is a nice wide trampoline (net) on the bow for lounging or sleeping. Also the women adapt to the ocean in half of the time on a catamaran than a normal monohull. Translation, she gets into you quicker and therefore you get into her (more often as well as) quicker.
The catamaran (the forward part of each hull is for extra storage) can hold more equipment (to include water, provisions, and fuel). Bad news, they are significantly more expensive. There are two engines, which on the plus side gives you greater safety and reliability (like an airplane flying over the ocean with two engines, one is engine over water in a plane is generally a no no), on the down side you have twice the maintenance and cost and use more fuel. The engine will be the single largest cost due to maintenance and overhaul. You can sail the ocean on a 38 foot cat, but I recommend the 40-44 as your first ocean cat and the 45-49 as optimal from a second or third. This will be maxing out your workload for sailing solo at the 45-49 and this is where my personal preference is. The 55 foot catamarans are nice and more spacious, it is a luxury like the 40 footers on a lake.
You will most likely want a first mate at 55+ level. When a sailboat is over 65 feet (20 meters) feet you will have a more difficult time around the world with slips (where you park the boat) in the marina, where you anchor as you will need a lot of lateral space to set the anchor (the boats run a black pennant while anchored to show their length (hey look at me) and to warn other boats that their anchor chains extend out and can be lengthy. Usually a boat lays out 7 to 1 or more scope for anchor chain/rope to length of boat. Big boats with all chain may go 5 to 1). You will become aware that as the wind moves, the boat will move/spin around the anchor). A sailboat over 65 feet is considered something like a truck rather than a car as a crude analogy. Some other examples include that you are supposed to have a bell aboard in addition to a whistle to produce sound (for signaling when you overtake or in an emergency…at over 100 meters you are supposed to have a gong). I have sailed a 72 footer with a friend for a while and that was an adventure. He liked to charter it to all female groups usually with 10-15 women. Sometimes these were day trips, sometimes the trips were for 3 to 6 days where we taught them to sail and they helped to maintain the boat. Talk about seeing women competing at their finest. A week on a boat like that was like 6 months of gaming. This idea is worth consideration.
Remember the women can to basic things…even on a boat. An extra set of eyes and hands can be useful before, during and especially after sailing. You want to have an ergonomically designed cockpit for all of the lines. Hoisting that big ass main sail up a mast that is almost 80 feet in the air will a light luff in the sails can be a bitch and I have a strong back from swimming and I am using a winch. I enjoy the challenge, but I will get a self-furling sail (it automatically comes out of the mast) on my next boat. Having a person at the helm to keep the boat into the wind as the other raises the main sail takes effort.
The fuel tank on this level of cat is usually 400 or so gallons (of diesel), so filling your tank is more than a few dollars. Normally your tank will be around 150 gallons (100-200). Gas at marinas around the world is generally inflated and not the same as your local gas station. Depending how much you motor sail (use your engine while one of your sails is out) because you want to get there faster or the wind is not in your favor and you have a time constraint, or your sailing experience is lacking on that day; you will probably use a tank of gas a week unless you are continuously under sail (day and night) on the open ocean. Normally you will still use your engine (at idle) twice a day, one hour in the morning and one hour in the evening as you need to recharge the boat batteries and run the refrigeration unit. I will make separate posts on a normal day on a boat and another for normal operations on a boat.
I plan to talk more about buying a boat, costs and locations in the next post; after that I will move to some dangers and unique parts of the sailing world (maybe with a story or two mixed in).
Quote: (02-26-2016 11:38 AM)el mechanico Wrote:
If any of you are looking at boats I'll tell you a catamaran is going to increase the amount of ass you're going to get X4
First off, there's more room to party sailboats are narrow and awkward most chicks will get bored second they draw too much water a cat can pull right up to the beach where all the ass is at.
My buddy has a cat and has legit parties on it every weekend you would need a sailboat 4 times the size to do the same.
Quote: (02-26-2016 04:40 PM)Kale_anonymous Wrote:That's not his boat it looks the same though we're surrounded by water here so parking it is probably 150 a month.
Quote: (02-26-2016 11:38 AM)el mechanico Wrote:
If any of you are looking at boats I'll tell you a catamaran is going to increase the amount of ass you're going to get X4
First off, there's more room to party sailboats are narrow and awkward most chicks will get bored second they draw too much water a cat can pull right up to the beach where all the ass is at.
My buddy has a cat and has legit parties on it every weekend you would need a sailboat 4 times the size to do the same.
wow mech that thing is bad ass as fuck. jealousy coming at you from the midwest for getting to party on that thing with hot bitchs.
just wow
ya fuck a sailboat- this thing is ideal!
where do you/can you park that thing? How much to just park it
Quote: (02-24-2016 09:44 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:
Definitely plan on making an ocean voyage at some point - maybe even buying one to live on as an end-game or part-time end-game would suit me.
If anyone is going on a mission and wouldn't mind someone on board who'd love to pitch in a couple hands while he learns the ropes, let me know!
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Quote: (02-22-2016 03:47 PM)Chaos Wrote:
Awesome. Sailing around the world must be one of the most amazing things to do in a lifetime.
That said, I have zero skills or experience of anything sailing related except for buliding yachts.
I wouldn't hesitate a second if I had the chance to participate in a long sailing trip as a crew member or whatever. Is that even possible?!
Any sailors here on the forum?
There are lots of sites where you can sign up to work on a sailing boat for very little or zero pay. Sometimes they will cover your expenses other times you contribute a small bit yourself. You will also have to fly yourself to a sailing hot zone to start such as the Caribbean, France, Sydney.
Different seasons have different routes which are more busier than others. Has to do with trade winds and weather. If I have time later I will try link one of these sites but not too hard to find.
I'd be interested - are these kind of sites appropriate for newbie wannabe sailors?
Quote: (02-27-2016 03:05 AM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:
Thanks for all of the positive PM´s and comments. I am happy to be adding value to the forum.
My catamaran is set up for battle on the ocean. I have a deeper, more moderate type of ballast keels (for a cat to include dagger boards) for the foul weather across the oceans, but there is a trade-off with speed, maneuverability, fuel consumption and cost. A normal ocean cat will draft (depth of water you will occupy due to your keel and dagger boards) 4-5 feet, where an ocean monohull is more likely to be 6 or 7 feet.
A catamaran like el mechanico posted will put you in a different category. This type of cat, and other trimarans have a very wide beam with a lot of natural stability that lends itself to being a party boat. They are often used as boats for day sailing with large groups. It is a better boat when the weather is generally good and the oceans are calm as you sail in the bay or on the ocean while you are within sight of land, to include some island hopping especially when you can visually see the island you are leaving and the island toward which you are sailing. In terms of pulling the chicks, you will be in another category with a zero draft cat pulling up to the beach to unload and pick up the scantily clad temptresses. The possibility of encountering an orgy on this type of boat is much greater. This is not necessarily the same dynamic as a threesome. The possible issue becomes having too many people and too few staterooms. For some this will not be a concern. This is type of catamaran would be better for a group of good friends who could own and/or use it together because of cost, sailing and shall we say…social dynamics.
Quote: (02-27-2016 10:24 PM)Cortés Wrote:
Obviously, a catamaran that you can throw parties on would get you laid like a rock star, but could you still pull babes with a boat like the guy from the video?
Quote: (02-26-2016 01:34 AM)Kale_anonymous Wrote:
Just so you players know-
looks like this guy got some good sailboat sex as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RylPp6lkBw