[Cattle Rustler]

(02-14-2016 09:33 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  

Abortion is murder. I am alive today thanks to a doctor who refused to abort me even though it was 1 month into pregnancy. I still thank that doctor to this day.

Whatever you do, do not abort. It is not feminism to say man up and raise the kid. You don't have to raise it, at least put it up for adoption. You live in Canada, there ga zilion government grants. Think about it again, please.

I thought this was a player's forum....

Avoid the kid, women are emotional so try to explain how it would affect her and her lifestyle as the years go by. She won't be able to work as much and not many guys would take a single mother.

If she declined, just do the minimal and send her a paycheck.

Small kids can be pussy magnets at times, but they can also be the opposite.

[911Turbo]

(02-14-2016 10:28 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:33 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  

Abortion is murder. I am alive today thanks to a doctor who refused to abort me even though it was 1 month into pregnancy. I still thank that doctor to this day.

Whatever you do, do not abort. It is not feminism to say man up and raise the kid. You don't have to raise it, at least put it up for adoption. You live in Canada, there ga zilion government grants. Think about it again, please.

I thought this was a player's forum....

Famous ex real madrid soccer player Roberto Carlos has 8 kids from numerous women. Donald Trump has 5 kids. Having kids doesn't stop you from playin, you're a guy, you won't be seen like a single mother. Neymar has a kid, C.Ronaldo has a kid, they probably get more pussy than 99% of the guys here.

[Coveyleader]

I have experience with this from back in the 90s and with a Canadian chick. (I'm American) I just ignored her and set the mindset from the start I wasn't going to deal with it.

She came on strong and I just told her, I'm not going to be involved, keep it, its yours. Canada has free medical, she took care of it.

Don't worry about those who say later in life you will think about it. Sorry, call me whatever, but it doesn't come to mind.

I would put a shield up bigtime. A kid that young? Fuck that, and when you're shelling out cash for her, the accident, well into your 40s how can it not affect your style?

[Deepdiver]

Do you want to spend the rest of your life with the female who is now pregnant with your alleged child?

You are 22 what is her age?

[whateverfuckit]

(02-14-2016 10:36 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:28 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:33 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  

Abortion is murder. I am alive today thanks to a doctor who refused to abort me even though it was 1 month into pregnancy. I still thank that doctor to this day.

Whatever you do, do not abort. It is not feminism to say man up and raise the kid. You don't have to raise it, at least put it up for adoption. You live in Canada, there ga zilion government grants. Think about it again, please.

I thought this was a player's forum....

Famous ex real madrid soccer player Roberto Carlos has 8 kids from numerous women. Donald Trump has 5 kids. Having kids doesn't stop you from playin, you're a guy, you won't be seen like a single mother.

LOL you're comparing apples to rocks!

Both men you mentioned are A. VERY RICH and B. Very famous.

They were able to have a great lifestyle and play the field after having children because they were rich. I don't think OP is rich or famous, so try another example...

[911Turbo]

(02-14-2016 10:39 PM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:36 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:28 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:33 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  

Abortion is murder. I am alive today thanks to a doctor who refused to abort me even though it was 1 month into pregnancy. I still thank that doctor to this day.

Whatever you do, do not abort. It is not feminism to say man up and raise the kid. You don't have to raise it, at least put it up for adoption. You live in Canada, there ga zilion government grants. Think about it again, please.

I thought this was a player's forum....

Famous ex real madrid soccer player Roberto Carlos has 8 kids from numerous women. Donald Trump has 5 kids. Having kids doesn't stop you from playin, you're a guy, you won't be seen like a single mother.

LOL you're comparing apples to rocks!

Both men you mentioned are A. VERY RICH and B. Very famous.

They were able to have a great lifestyle and play the field after having children because they were rich. I don't think OP is rich or famous, so try another example...

I gave them as an example because everyone knows them. Having a kid wont hamper a guys chances of chaising quality tail. Let's get real most guys in this forum including me are after ONS. No ONS will be prevented because of your kid. A guy having a kid is not a turn off, actually it proves that you are fertile and is actually a turn on.....

[Sidney Crosby]

Every second weekend you could use your kid to game new chicks, consider the child support a wingman fee.

[Laner]

Its a kid, not a death sentence. The playboy life can and will go on if you want it to.

If possible keep a good relationship with the mother. If she was in your harem, she is obviously tolerable. This is good.

If she is intolerable, then perhaps going for 100% custody is an option. Get your family behind you on this one, make sure you have their support before as they will be the ones to most of the heavy lifting. El Mech has some solid advice on this, and part of it will likely be waiting until the kid is born before setting this plan in motion.

Kids are not expensive in Canada, and neither is child support. Daddy Gov has your back so child support will be about $450 a month unless you make large bank. Easy to pay that, but then having to deal with a kid between homes (or an absent father) is a shit way to bring a life into the world.

As good men one of our sole purposes in life is to give our offspring a better chance than the others around them. Handicapping our offspring is only adding to the decline.

You mentioned she wants to keep it- that could be the best indication of what kind of woman she is. Like many of our own fathers, you might have just knocked up an amazing future mother of your children.

[DarkTriad]

(02-14-2016 09:27 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Inb4 "get him chopped up and sucked out"... oh too late. Like it's just getting a tooth filling or something.

I also wouldn't be taking life advice from someone called "whateverfuckit". 30% for 21+ years for one kid? What tables are you basing that off? 'Keeping' the kid "isn't doing anyone any favours?" That's fucking twisted man. "Man up" is something feminists say? Are you high on something fucking strong right now?

I really don't think it's as burdensome as some people are making it out to be. And I've never met a man with a kid who said "it ruined my life", they're all happy about it. Including ones I know who got the kid in the exact same situation.

It ruined my life. Absolutely devastating. Mother was worthless, and I ended up having to take full custody for many years. I love my son, but let's not pretend this shit is easy (unless you have an amazing amount of family support floating around).

"30% for 21+ years for one kid? What tables are you basing that off? "

My state was 25%....but its based of gross, not after tax income, so it's more like 40% of your take home. And that's just what you have to give HER, you're not going to blow off his birthday or Christmass, if you want him to play football, you're buying the pads etc.. It's easily 50% of your income gone. This is HUGE.

It's also a severe crimp in starting a business/new career or taking any other risk. This isn't a student loan, you go to jail if you lose your job. It's like being dragged behind truck, not too bad if you can stay on your feet, but if you stumble, it's going to be a LONG rough ride. Just the worry will give you many sleepless nights.

In my state, mentally ill people get free lawyers to fight for custody against the sane parent. I think the intent was just to have the lawyers guarantee them visitation, but they're aggressive, top of the line family court litigators that work for HER and eventually I went bankrupt fighting them and she got full custody again. At least I got him through his most vulnerable years and now he can tell me if something really fucked up is happening.

Different people have different experiences...if you're some lazy disorganized fuck that wastes every day anyway, this can actually help you. But it you've already taken the red pill, and are already working your balls off to give yourself a better life, it's going to be a big hit.

And when someone asks me, I smile and tell them how good it was for me, but here I want to give you the straight dope.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-14-2016 10:53 PM)Laner Wrote:  

You mentioned she wants to keep it- that could be the best indication of what kind of woman she is. Like many of our own fathers, you might have just knocked up an amazing future mother of your children.

Your logic is flawed.

A woman who wants to keep a child is not based on love or some sort of ultra feminine nature---it's pure selfishness.

She's not thinking about the future of the child, or how it's life will be without a father, or how it's going to be provided for, she's just thinking about posting selfies with her baby and getting all kinds of attention.

A woman deciding to keep a child is the easiest decision she could possibly make. Afterall, all she has to do is.....nothing. Even getting an abortion requires some effort.

Granted, later down the line, it's a lot of work, but we all know females only think in the here and now. They have 0 long term planning.

[Onto]

(02-14-2016 10:51 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

Every second weekend you could use your kid to game new chicks, consider the child support a wingman fee.

This is very true. My kid helped me get girls in the parks, the store and on the streets. Having a cute kid is an absolute chick magnet.

[Huey]

(02-14-2016 10:51 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

Every second weekend you could use your kid to game new chicks, consider the child support a wingman fee.

[Coveyleader]

^^^^*** bingo, what darktriad said. shield up dude! It might as well be a death sentence in the US. Get a mop, bucket, and your janitor suit.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-14-2016 11:02 PM)Coveyleader Wrote:  

^^^^*** bingo, shield up dude! It might as well be a death sentence in the US.

To be fair, OP is in Canada, and I'm not familiar with the laws there. Having a kid in Canada could be a lot easier and less of a burden than it is in the US.

[DarkTriad]

(02-14-2016 10:44 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:39 PM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:36 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:28 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:33 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  

Abortion is murder. I am alive today thanks to a doctor who refused to abort me even though it was 1 month into pregnancy. I still thank that doctor to this day.

Whatever you do, do not abort. It is not feminism to say man up and raise the kid. You don't have to raise it, at least put it up for adoption. You live in Canada, there ga zilion government grants. Think about it again, please.

I thought this was a player's forum....

Famous ex real madrid soccer player Roberto Carlos has 8 kids from numerous women. Donald Trump has 5 kids. Having kids doesn't stop you from playin, you're a guy, you won't be seen like a single mother.

LOL you're comparing apples to rocks!

Both men you mentioned are A. VERY RICH and B. Very famous.

They were able to have a great lifestyle and play the field after having children because they were rich. I don't think OP is rich or famous, so try another example...

I gave them as an example because everyone knows them. Having a kid wont hamper a guys chances of chaising quality tail. Let's get real most guys in this forum including me are after ONS. No ONS will be prevented because of your kid. A guy having a kid is not a turn off, actually it proves that you are fertile and is actually a turn on.....

You're missing the big picture. It's not that the girl at the club on Friday cares about the kid, it's the fact that you're NOT AT THE CLUB on Friday (or Saturday) nights anymore because that's when you have the kid. And you're doing double shifts at your second job on many other other nights to pay your ex.

It's not that the kid disqualifies you, it's the fact that endless double shifts are killing your gym time and physique, you don't have the finances/time to pursue the stylish wardrobe you used to have, you just don't have the time the chase the way you used to.

It's not the kid that kills you, it's the fact that after you're going to look 10 years older after taking taking care of your responsibilities. That cute young girl looks at you and you suddenly look OLD.

[Coveyleader]

Getting an abortion up there is easy. No out of pocket. As someone above posted, shes not thinking straight. Who in their right mind wants to raise a kid alone?

Kids for chicks? Open a daycare and take someones kid for a walk. At leaat if you strike out, you can hand the kid back. This? 20 years, hard labor!

[Laner]

(02-14-2016 10:59 PM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:53 PM)Laner Wrote:  

You mentioned she wants to keep it- that could be the best indication of what kind of woman she is. Like many of our own fathers, you might have just knocked up an amazing future mother of your children.

Your logic is flawed.

A woman who wants to keep a child is not based on love or some sort of ultra feminine nature---it's pure selfishness.

She's not thinking about the future of the child, or how it's life will be without a father, or how it's going to be provided for, she's just thinking about posting selfies with her baby and getting all kinds of attention.

A woman deciding to keep a child is the easiest decision she could possibly make. Afterall, all she has to do is.....nothing. Even getting an abortion requires some effort.

Granted, later down the line, it's a lot of work, but we all know females only think in the here and now. They have 0 long term planning.

My logic is sound. Its the attitude that surrounds this topic that is flawed.

Women who are only alive to post selfies are not likely to keep a kid. You ever wonder why women are always making sure to tag babies in their photos as #niece or #bestiesbaby? Even thirsty dudes dont hit the like button on a young single mother.

And banging these women raw and expecting to come away clean is insane. Its not hard to knock up a hot 22yo.

I agree that women have poor long term planning, but when it comes to babies they are often on point on what they should do.

This logic is based on several generations of men having kids at 21, fathering a few more by 25 and running a tight, productive family until their death surrounded by a large family.

[Onto]

No one can say what the motivation for having an out-of-wedlock child is without knowing more about her and her childhood.

She could be doing it for good reasons or bad ones. There's not enough info given from the OP yet to know.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-14-2016 11:13 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:59 PM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:53 PM)Laner Wrote:  

You mentioned she wants to keep it- that could be the best indication of what kind of woman she is. Like many of our own fathers, you might have just knocked up an amazing future mother of your children.

Your logic is flawed.

A woman who wants to keep a child is not based on love or some sort of ultra feminine nature---it's pure selfishness.

She's not thinking about the future of the child, or how it's life will be without a father, or how it's going to be provided for, she's just thinking about posting selfies with her baby and getting all kinds of attention.

A woman deciding to keep a child is the easiest decision she could possibly make. Afterall, all she has to do is.....nothing. Even getting an abortion requires some effort.

Granted, later down the line, it's a lot of work, but we all know females only think in the here and now. They have 0 long term planning.

My logic is sound. Its the attitude that surrounds this topic that is flawed.

Women who are only alive to post selfies are not likely to keep a kid. You ever wonder why women are always making sure to tag babies in their photos as #niece or #bestiesbaby? Even thirsty dudes dont hit the like button on a young single mother.

And banging these women raw and expecting to come away clean is insane. Its not hard to knock up a hot 22yo.

I agree that women have poor long term planning, but when it comes to babies they are often on point on what they should do.

This logic is based on several generations of men having kids at 21, fathering a few more by 25 and running a tight, productive family until their death surrounded by a large family.

You must not spend much time of Facebook, or maybe it's because we live in different states the culture is different...

I see single women getting "likes" all the time. Granted, not with the posts with their KIDS, but they do get attention from them, not from thirsty dudes, but from other women and their families.

Also, again, apples and oranges....OP doesn't want to have a family with this broad, hence why she's in ROTATION not his girlfriend.

Putting a temporary person into your life permanently is a recipe for disaster. Might as well take the spare out of your trunk and drive around with it forever. You'd have better results.

[DarkTriad]

(02-14-2016 11:22 PM)Onto Wrote:  

No one can say what the motivation for having an out-of-wedlock child is without knowing more about her and her childhood.

She could be doing it for good reasons or bad ones. There's not enough info given from the OP yet to know.

How many "good reasons" are there for a young girl to have a child out of wed lock?

[Laner]

The OP is 22. All women should be in a rotation at this age, ideally until a man turns at least 30.

Also keep in mind he is in Canada (child support here is fuck all) and family courts seem more fair.

I do admit that I am far luckier than most here in that I meet and associate with better quality women. Within my family, and in my social life as well.

[Onto]

(02-14-2016 11:34 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 11:22 PM)Onto Wrote:  

No one can say what the motivation for having an out-of-wedlock child is without knowing more about her and her childhood.

She could be doing it for good reasons or bad ones. There's not enough info given from the OP yet to know.

How many "good reasons" are there for a young girl to have a child out of wed lock?

She could be religious, or doesn't believe in abortion. I imagine being pregnant kicks in a women's maternal instincts in some way also.

People don't have sex with the expectation they are going to have a child. When people attack a man with the argument, "You should've thought of that before you had sex with her", they are ignoring this fact. It's like blaming a person who gets into a car accident that they should've thought of that before they decided to drive. Sex, like driving is just something you need to do even if there are risks that go with it. Nobody goes into either expecting an unwanted outcome.

It's a big decision for a woman to have an abortion or a child. Lots of inner-turmoil I imagine. For us we don't have to deal with that, though we are often asked to pay the price for whatever decision they make.

[Suits]

The amount of quality advice being shared in this thread is jaw-dropping.

[Laner]

(02-14-2016 11:42 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 11:34 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 11:22 PM)Onto Wrote:  

No one can say what the motivation for having an out-of-wedlock child is without knowing more about her and her childhood.

She could be doing it for good reasons or bad ones. There's not enough info given from the OP yet to know.

How many "good reasons" are there for a young girl to have a child out of wed lock?

She could be religious, or doesn't believe in abortion. I imagine being pregnant kicks in a women's maternal instincts in some way also.

People don't have sex with the expectation they are going to have a child. When people attack a man with the argument, "You should've thought of that before you had sex with her", they are ignoring this fact. It's like blaming a person who gets into a car accident that they should've thought of that before they decided to drive. Sex, like driving is just something you need to do even if there are risks that go with it. Nobody goes into either expecting an unwanted outcome.

It's a big decision for a woman to have an abortion or a child. Lots of inner-turmoil I imagine. For us we don't have to deal with that, though we are often asked to pay the price for whatever decision they make.

Absolutely. But rawdogging young girls is like driving drunk on Tequila. Fun and the risk is always for other people, never me. I am also insane in this regard, as I have rawdogged far more women than I should have, but never without knowing the possibility of what could happen.

[kash_MD]

she chose to keep the child, you weren't consulted.

she can do what she wants, and you can do and should only do what the law requires. send your check each month and move on with your life (and let her know this is what you intend to do)