[RatInTheWoods]

(01-12-2016 01:17 PM)XXL Wrote:  

I wouldn't mind. However I get very attracted to a women who don't get seduced easily. My rationale is that if she doesn't give in to ME then she's quite bulletproof to guys in general which makes me glad.

These are my thoughts.

Notch count of SNL women would be sky high.

[StrikeBack]

With girls that I push for the bang very early (first date), it means I have already disqualified them as LTR materials. This is not too hard, as they'd have one of the bazillion slut tells.

With girls I even remotely consider for a relationship, I would feel genuine sexual attraction between us and I don't feel like I have to try to bang her on the first date. There would be plenty of heavy makeouts and touching though, to set the tone, and this would escalate all the way to sex a number of dates later. I actually prefer to take my time over a few dates to get to sex. I enjoy the conversations, the flirting, the banter, building up tension etc. I love that dance.

[262]

(01-14-2016 12:00 AM)RDF Wrote:  

I'll readily admit that this makes me a hypocrite - I want sex the first night, but if a girl gives it up to me, she's basically got no chance to ever be my girlfriend. Linux noted this earlier, and it's true. It's a contradiction that I struggle with. Since I'm not really looking for an LTR right now, it isn't that important to me at the moment, but it will be in the coming years.

I don't see that as hypocrisy. I see it like the difference between masculinity and femininity.

As Krauser wrote, "It's my job to push; it's your job to resist."

[Courage Reborn]

With all due respect to WIA, the question is irrelevant.

If you're really into the girl, you're going to want to spend more & more time with her (LTR'ish), regardless if it was easy. If you don't catch feelings, you won't be interested in anything serious either way.

[1026]

@ StrikeBack

You're on to something, I also feel the same.
But we've got measure that against putting the pussy on a pedalstal.

My last LTR was a virgin. I took her V-card after a courtship period.
Put the pussy on a pedalstal. & now it's yet another case study for RVF.

How do we reconcile that?
Off topic, I know.

In the hood we have a saying for ONS, SNL etc.
"A first kiss between the sheets"

Basic assumption is any dude with Game can tear that ass up with 3 hours to spare.

That nagging thought will always haunt you.

Living in constant fear of a roaming alpha running into your sweetheart, aloof this, neg that, F-close motherfucker.

She ain't no LTR material if I hit one time on the first time.
(PS that applies to anyone other than me too, ONS/SNL by a girl are a red flag, always have, always will)

[DMario]

About 2 months ago I took a girl's virginity after the first night we hung out. I didnt really know how to feel about the situation. She was Muslim as well.

[rw95]

(01-14-2016 04:19 PM)DMario Wrote:  

About 2 months ago I took a girl's virginity after the first night we hung out. I didnt really know how to feel about the situation. She was Muslim as well.

Was this girl living on her own or with her parents?

[DMario]

(01-14-2016 04:57 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

Was this girl living on her own or with her parents?

She lives with her mother,her father passed away. The mother isn't Muslim.

[rw95]

(01-14-2016 05:03 PM)DMario Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:57 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

Was this girl living on her own or with her parents?

She lives with her mother,her father passed away. The mother isn't Muslim.

I see.

Similarly, Mr. Pink, the virgin you got with, was she living with parents or on her own?

[Mr. Pink]

(01-14-2016 06:41 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 05:03 PM)DMario Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:57 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

Was this girl living on her own or with her parents?

She lives with her mother,her father passed away. The mother isn't Muslim.

I see.

Similarly, Mr. Pink, the virgin you got with, was she living with parents or on her own?

I've fucked two definite virgins; one was a chick born in NY, still living at home with her Italian parents and two older brothers and the other was a Spanish/Filipina mix from a wealthy family. She was living at a student dorm with heavy Catholic influence. There was another one in the US and a few more in Asia that implied or straight up told me they were virgins but I have a lot more faith in my intuition than I do in anything a woman tells me and I wasn't buying it. Could be wrong but I doubt it.

[Turnus]

Banged the mother of my 3 children the first night.

Just finalized a divorce after 13 years of marriage.

AGREE

[rw95]

(01-14-2016 10:29 PM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 06:41 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 05:03 PM)DMario Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:57 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

Was this girl living on her own or with her parents?

She lives with her mother,her father passed away. The mother isn't Muslim.

I see.

Similarly, Mr. Pink, the virgin you got with, was she living with parents or on her own?

I've fucked two definite virgins; one was a chick born in NY, still living at home with her Italian parents and two older brothers and the other was a Spanish/Filipina mix from a wealthy family. She was living at a student dorm with heavy Catholic influence. There was another one in the US and a few more in Asia that implied or straight up told me they were virgins but I have a lot more faith in my intuition than I do in anything a woman tells me and I wasn't buying it. Could be wrong but I doubt it.

Wouldn't she be bleeding if she was a virgin?

I'm not surprised you fucked the one living in a dorm. Virgin or not, religious or not, a woman not living at home, especially in college, will be fucked eventually, and will begin riding the cock carousel during her time there. The one who lived at home, did she have a good relationship with her family?

[Yatagan]

(01-14-2016 11:14 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 10:29 PM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 06:41 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 05:03 PM)DMario Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:57 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

Was this girl living on her own or with her parents?

She lives with her mother,her father passed away. The mother isn't Muslim.

I see.

Similarly, Mr. Pink, the virgin you got with, was she living with parents or on her own?

I've fucked two definite virgins; one was a chick born in NY, still living at home with her Italian parents and two older brothers and the other was a Spanish/Filipina mix from a wealthy family. She was living at a student dorm with heavy Catholic influence. There was another one in the US and a few more in Asia that implied or straight up told me they were virgins but I have a lot more faith in my intuition than I do in anything a woman tells me and I wasn't buying it. Could be wrong but I doubt it.

Wouldn't she be bleeding if she was a virgin?

I'm not surprised you fucked the one living in a dorm. Virgin or not, religious or not, a woman not living at home, especially in college, will be fucked eventually, and will begin riding the cock carousel during her time there. The one who lived at home, did she have a good relationship with her family?

I banged a virgin once and didn't notice any bleeding.

[brob]

(01-14-2016 02:15 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

With girls that I push for the bang very early (first date), it means I have already disqualified them as LTR materials. This is not too hard, as they'd have one of the bazillion slut tells.

With girls I even remotely consider for a relationship, I would feel genuine sexual attraction between us and I don't feel like I have to try to bang her on the first date. There would be plenty of heavy makeouts and touching though, to set the tone, and this would escalate all the way to sex a number of dates later. I actually prefer to take my time over a few dates to get to sex. I enjoy the conversations, the flirting, the banter, building up tension etc. I love that dance.

I would say you should definitely still try to go all the way on the first date with EVERY single girl you're out with. ESPECIALLY the ones you want an LTR with. It's the best way figure out what kind of girl she is and if you actually do want an LTR with her.

[The Black Knight]

So, I had this massive but somewhat disjointed post really breaking down my point of view on this. But I just scrub it. For me, the bottom line is this:

I don't care when I get the bang as long as I feel it isn't being withheld for nefarious or stupid reasons.

And as long as I feel I'm genuinely getting treated well and fairly, whether it be pre or post bang, is really all that matters excluding red flags. I suppose for some, a first date bang alone is a red flag but I don't see it that way.

This is America godsdammit; where women who treat men well are in severe short supply. I'm not going to toss a girl solely because she wanted to fuck me on the first date when she otherwise treats me like a king. You might be her true alpha (for the time being at least) for all you know. I'm gonna enjoy the fuckin ride while I can.

I have never in my life thought to myself about girls I've gotten into mini LTRs/LTRs with: "Damn, I fucked her the first night. I need to dump her even though things are otherwise awesome."

I dump/stop seeing a woman generally because she starts acting like a cunt or I get bored. It has had nothing to do when I started banging her.

[Taco Illusionist]

For a FWB or casual dating arrangement, her putting out early is actually ideal. No mind games, teasing or hard-to-get bullshit - all the while both parties are getting what they want.

For an LTR though, this HAS to be at least a red-flag. It indicates she is impulsive, has low self-discipline and is most likely suffering from self-esteem/insecurity issues. None of these traits could be classified as 'ideal' in a long term partner.

I wouldn't say it rules her out of an LTR completely, but you would have to be weary of a chick who gives it up with such haste.

[Robert Plant]

If a women really likes a guy and she doesn't put out, isn't that a mind game?

[General Mayhem]

I banged my current LTR on the first night. I could tell she felt bad about giving it up so easily. I put the ball in her court. Gave her my number but didn't ask for hers. I figured if she wanted to see me again she would let me know. Over a year later...

[John Michael Kane]

I would usually say "no", but I did talk with a girl for several months online before I got to her country, then we went at it the first night I got there.

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Tragically, it ended in a way that hurt both of our hearts, but it was and still is a learning experience for me.

[XXL]

@Robert Plant

Might be mind games but more often that not it's girl's personal issues at play. We can have sex pretty much anytime. Women need to feel ready for it and take pride in how they present themselves [shower, smelling good, well groomed, hygienic, legs shaved, etc]. And of course the mood thing.

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-14-2016 12:15 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

With all due respect to WIA, the question is irrelevant.

If you're really into the girl, you're going to want to spend more & more time with her (LTR'ish), regardless if it was easy. If you don't catch feelings, you won't be interested in anything serious either way.

WADR, Courage

If the question was irrelevant, there'd be no discussion.

WIA

[johnbozzz]

How old are you? In college most LTR's begin when two students hook up at a house party off campus.

[therealpoder]

Disagree

The girl I'm in a relationship with now I banged on the first date. And she is great relationship material. She cooks, doesn't nag and an overall pleasant person.

She says she only banged 4 dudes before me. Since she's not American and has been open and honest about everything else, I believe her.

I think girls who sleep with a guy in the first date can be sluts. Other times, they see the guy as being really high status, really like a guy and will bang him on the first date if she thinks he's relationship material

[Onto]

Sometimes Yes, sometimes No.

Depends on who you, yourself are desiring for at the time.

Good, LTR-worthy girl, or bad, bitchy, naughty girl.

[RockHard]

Agree kinda... but here's a story. One of my best friends has been married 19 years, 2 kids. Met his wife in college, banged her the first night. Then she froze him out for 3 months... buyer's remorse maybe? Anyway, they're still going good 20+ years later.

He got her back for the 3 month freeze out. He refused to fuck her for a month before the wedding. Supposedly she practically tore him apart after the reception.