[Barbarian_Brad]

I've been thinking about this recently, because I just broke it off with a girl who is a bit crazy. There is probably nothing to worry about, but I've dated several girls who were a bit crazy, and there's always this lurking fear that if I make it publicly one of them will accuse me of something that never happened.

My worse case scenario is getting accused by a girl I've never even slept with. At least if it's an ex I've got texts, photos, email, video, etc. but if we've never met, there is nothing. I realize there may not be evidence to convict, but the social fallout could be brutal.

I've learned in martial arts, you don't rise to the occasion, you default to your training. So I'd like to create a plan now. Even if it's never used, I'll sleep better.

So… If you were falsely accused of rape, what would you do?

[WestIndianArchie]

You call a lawyer, give him some money and shut the fuck up.

Anything else are you're just being an idiot.

WIA

[TheMaleBrain]

You go to war.
You pick the best lawyer you can afford, create a support team (emotionally - which you will need) and prepare.
You will have this on your mind - day and night.

This is the plan

[LA Savage]

You need to learn how to stay ready so that you don't have to get ready.

I suggest you brush up on your reading of the Community of the wrongly accused. http://www.cotwa.info/

You should immediately look for and contact the best Lawyer you can afford who specializes in these types of cases and has a great track record of winning cases for their clients.

I provided a google search link here.
https://www.google.com/#q=false+rape+lawyers+usa
I suggest you bookmark some of the websites or at least save some of the phone numbers in your phone in case you need them in the future.

Immediately stop all forms of communication and contact with the person who is suspected of falsely accusing you of rape.
You should also stop communicating with the people who associate with the suspected false accuser because they have already been persuaded by the girl to believe you are guilty rather than innocent until proven guilty.

You should like said above have a close support group who will help you get through this tough time.

I am extra paranoid about this stuff as I see/hear about it happening all the time and a lot of guys get caught off guard when it happens.

I learned to take extra precautions a few years ago when I started learning game since I lived on a University Campus and potential for false rape accusations was widespread due to all the parties on my campus.

Here is what I suggest you do and make a habit of doing long term. I have been doing this for a few years to keep an organized record of my gaming interactions.

Sign up for a cloud storage service like Microsoft One Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive etc...
When ever you meet a girl start keeping a record of all your communication with her if there is a possibility of some type of sexual activity to go on between you two.

Take screenshots of all the messages you two exchange between each other including the the date and time and have her phone number show as well. Then upload these screenshots of the messages you two exchanged onto the cloud storage drive. Then you will have a nice gaming record of all the girls you ever had the potential to do something with.
Also when you two are in private and you think things might get sexual, start audio recording the conversation before, during, and after just so you have proof things were consensual between you two. Also be very careful with the amount of alcohol consumption you and your potential girl have taken. If you think she is drunk, or she has signs that she is drunk, then it's best not to risk your freedom over some drunk girl.

When in Doubt, Get The Fuck Out!!! As it's better to be safe than sorry with those types of things.

Also any types of pictures, videos, media you two exchange should also be uploaded to your cloud drive for safe record keeping.

If you feel comfortable also alert your trusted close friends about your actions and your whereabouts in case you need an ally-by or somebody on your side who might be able to testify in your favor in case needed legally.

All this has a great potential to help you, and your lawyer have credible evidence to win your case.

I hope this information may help anybody reading this.

It's better to stay ready so that you don't have to get ready.

[griffinmill]

If things are about to go down, I record the audio on my phone. Start doing this. Also, make sure you record the happy pillow talk after too.

[The Black Knight]

Firstly, avoiding crazy bitches is the best defense.

Unless you are an expert player, you have no business fuckin around with these sluts. They are on a whole another level that you can't keep up with. Just avoid at the first sign. Trust your gut. Any signs of excess victimhood and/or vindictiveness and eject immediately.

Also if you a suspect a bitch might accuse you, fake beta backslide out of occasions or meetings. I had a legit crazy bitch owe me some money one time and when I asked for it, she told me to fuck off essentially. Normally, I'd have some very harsh words but I KNEW this chicks mental state well enough to know it could escalate out of hand real quick. Harsh words = abusive = phone call to 911. And for what? A few bucks? Fuck that. Fake beta backslide, make believe the girl has the upper hand and be done with it.

Audio record conversations and especially anytime sex is occurring and post-sex talk.

If accused or potentially accused (like the police just feeling you out on a few things), not a word to anyone except a lawyer.

[Dalaran1991]

We all forgot about the OP part, that if he becomes famous and a girl he doesnt even know accuses him of shit. He's not asking about what if a girl you did sleep with and who knows you does so.

I think he’s more worried of the damage done to your reputation rather than actually being convicted. And I think this is an extremely legitimate concern. If you make it to senior manager and HR sticks you with some female femme fatale this could become real shit too.

Even if the court declares you innocent the damage to your reputation has already been done, and given how western feminist world is, good luck explaining that to your co-workers or future employers or associates.

Anyone got advice on this? Working in an environment with 70% girls I’m quite concerned about this too, even if French laws usually don’t buy the false rape charge as much as the anglo world does.

(12-21-2015 07:34 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Firstly, avoiding crazy bitches is the best defense.

Unless you are an expert player, you have no business fuckin around with these sluts. They are on a whole another level that you can't keep up with. Just avoid at the first sign. Trust your gut. Any signs of excess victimhood and/or vindictiveness and eject immediately.

And how do you recognize those girls unless you are an expert player? Your gut feeling isn't enough and if you are green you tend to not trust it anyway.

Plus if you are into one night stand and raking up notches I guarantee you have to get involved with those types of girls because they are often the fastest to put out.

[boets]

Run away to a different country.
Pack your shit, withdraw the money and leave for good.

[therealpoder]

If it were me:

1. Don't say anything to anyone, except for your lawyer. Don't try to defend yourself. Say nothing at all.
2. Hire the best lawyer that you can afford.
3. Amass as much evidence you can to prove it was consensual.

Some preemptive measures you can take are to create evidence to prove that it was consensual (text messages, videos, tape recordings, lack of alcohol, etc.), avoiding women who are more likely to accuse you of rape (not having one night stands, not sleeping with married women, feminists, etc.), doing good acts and finding highly respected members of the community to say good things about you. In these type of cases, your character is on trial as well.

[The Black Knight]

(12-21-2015 07:51 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 07:34 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Firstly, avoiding crazy bitches is the best defense.

Unless you are an expert player, you have no business fuckin around with these sluts. They are on a whole another level that you can't keep up with. Just avoid at the first sign. Trust your gut. Any signs of excess victimhood and/or vindictiveness and eject immediately.

And how do you recognize those girls unless you are an expert player? Your gut feeling isn't enough and if you are green you tend to not trust it anyway.

Plus if you are into one night stand and raking up notches I guarantee you have to get involved with those types of girls because they are often the fastest to put out.

It's a fair question. The BPD Thread and Red Flags thread(s) are good places to start.

Look for signs of excessive victimhood or vindictiveness. Chicks that talk about past "abusve" boyfriends, how they would give an ex an STD and not care, or make little gestures/statements that they could flip on you for petty shit.

Your gut feeling is maybe not enough alone to totally understand everything but many guys ignore their gut feelings all the time in various ways and pay for it dearly. If a bitch seems like she is off, she is likely off.

If you are so clueless and green to the game, maybe stick with daygame/multiple dates/social circles until you get a better feel for women.

No ONS is worth 4 or 5 figure lawyer fees, a damage rep, a ton of psychological stress, and possible prison time. Anyone reading this forum has TONS of insight in how to avoid and/or minimize the risk of that happening.

[BrewDog]

All of these guys are telling you good advice, but the best advice of all is: Go find a good lawyer. Yes, it sucks that you have to pay some guy to prove you didn't do some horrible shit, but you can't handle this type of shit by yourself. We like to think that we have a presumption of innocence, but when someone accuses you of some heinous shit, people will assume the worst. And an attorney is the best one to get you clear of that. I almost married an attorney and I fucking hate them as much as anyone because of that cunt, but it's your best option. Do NOT try to do this shit by yourself, friend. Please, find a good lawyer. This is serious, horrible stuff that can affect you the rest of your days. Think about Michael Jackson... He was acquitted twice but everyone thinks he was a child molester because he was accused of it. Those guys at Duke were guilty until the witness came clean and the prosecutor was disbarred, but until then, that skank's word was gold with the media.

I've went through something similar in college, a girl told her dad I slapped her around, and she admitted she lied later, but it almost destroyed me over the bullshit she claimed. I thought I was done and that no one would ever believe me because she was wealthy and her dad was a big deal, and I was just a scrub, poor college student. I got lucky that she came clean, but don't chance it, kid. Pay an attorney to help you. You need the help. I wish you the very best. It's horrifying, and there's nothing you can do for yourself with this. Get some professional legal help ASAP.

[Rawmeo]

The key is prevention. I personally secretly record EVERY new sex intercourse with a girl with a hidden camera in my room. This is stored on an encrypted hard drive, ready to be pulled in case shit hits the fan. If nothing bad happens, nobody will ever know that the video exists. I respect my girls' privacy.

Now, if the girl decides that she regrets fucking you and wants to accuse you... do like all the guys suggested here, and hire the best lawyer you can. Call now. Meet the lawyer and build your defence. Don't try this by yourself. You don't want to be in a jail cell, looking at the concrete walls, for a crime you didn't commit just because a girl changed her mind.

If you win the case, then by all means, sue her as hard as you can. Get as much money from that vile cow as you can. Make her pay for her actions. Press charges against her for false accusations, coupled with a civil lawsuit. We need to discourage girls from crying rape when it's false.

[NextStop100]

(12-24-2015 12:41 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

The key is prevention. I personally secretly record EVERY new sex intercourse with a girl with a hidden camera in my room. This is stored on an encrypted hard drive, ready to be pulled in case shit hits the fan. If nothing bad happens, nobody will ever know that the video exists. I respect my girls' privacy.

Now, if the girl decides that she regrets fucking you and wants to accuse you... do like all the guys suggested here, and hire the best lawyer you can. Call now. Meet the lawyer and build your defence. Don't try this by yourself. You don't want to be in a jail cell, looking at the concrete walls, for a crime you didn't commit just because a girl changed her mind.

If you win the case, then by all means, sue her as hard as you can. Get as much money from that vile cow as you can. Make her pay for her actions. Press charges against her for false accusations, coupled with a civil lawsuit. We need to discourage girls from crying rape when it's false.

Wouldn't recording them without them knowing be illegal? How could you use that in court

[griffinmill]

(12-24-2015 03:11 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 12:41 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

The key is prevention. I personally secretly record EVERY new sex intercourse with a girl with a hidden camera in my room. This is stored on an encrypted hard drive, ready to be pulled in case shit hits the fan. If nothing bad happens, nobody will ever know that the video exists. I respect my girls' privacy.

Now, if the girl decides that she regrets fucking you and wants to accuse you... do like all the guys suggested here, and hire the best lawyer you can. Call now. Meet the lawyer and build your defence. Don't try this by yourself. You don't want to be in a jail cell, looking at the concrete walls, for a crime you didn't commit just because a girl changed her mind.

If you win the case, then by all means, sue her as hard as you can. Get as much money from that vile cow as you can. Make her pay for her actions. Press charges against her for false accusations, coupled with a civil lawsuit. We need to discourage girls from crying rape when it's false.

Wouldn't recording them without them knowing be illegal? How could you use that in court

Exhibit A, gents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAlRZ8CHgBU

This is a very interesting documentary, and I'm sure the full thing is available on the internet if you look hard enough. This was a rape case in Florida from a few years back that involved a frat house and a 27 year-old stripper. The case still provokes a lot of debate, and was one of the most contentious sexual assault cases in Florida's legal history. The raging debate about was she / wasn't she raped is by no means tempered or diluted by the fact that: THE ENTIRE SEX ACT WAS FILMED.

You can watch the actual video of the act and still not be entirely sure if she was or wasn't raped. This is how nuanced this issue is.

So even if you're recording your sexual encounters that may not mean shit (and may even be possibly illegal to boot).

[PapayaTapper]

(12-24-2015 03:11 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 12:41 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

The key is prevention. I personally secretly record EVERY new sex intercourse with a girl with a hidden camera in my room. This is stored on an encrypted hard drive, ready to be pulled in case shit hits the fan. If nothing bad happens, nobody will ever know that the video exists. I respect my girls' privacy.

Now, if the girl decides that she regrets fucking you and wants to accuse you... do like all the guys suggested here, and hire the best lawyer you can. Call now. Meet the lawyer and build your defence. Don't try this by yourself. You don't want to be in a jail cell, looking at the concrete walls, for a crime you didn't commit just because a girl changed her mind.

If you win the case, then by all means, sue her as hard as you can. Get as much money from that vile cow as you can. Make her pay for her actions. Press charges against her for false accusations, coupled with a civil lawsuit. We need to discourage girls from crying rape when it's false.

Wouldn't recording them without them knowing be illegal? How could you use that in court

This came up in another thread I wrote in. Short answer to your question though:

In most states it is not illegal to video your own premises for your own security. In some states you may be in a gray area if you don't post a notice / sign (see below)

If you were falsely accused of rape and had the interaction taped, and your attorney showed the video of a consensual interlude to the prosecutor, the case would likely never even be brought

I had the system put in a 2/3 weeks ago and already feel "safer"

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(11-19-2015 01:07 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 12:44 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  



Actually yes...I am having a system installed next week for several reasons. Admittedly one is to defend myself from possible false rape charges as the overwhelming majority of girls I bang are at my house, pulled from local bars. I have too much at risk if one of them decides I didnt fuck her right, disrespected her, cant admit she intentionally cheated on her BF. etc . My corporate attorney referred me to a criminal defense attorney and he strongly advocated this. He is currently on retainer with a local pro sports team and this one of the risk management techniques he recommends to athletes and high net worth individuals. (He has stories!) The caveat is that as long as the recording is never made public or used for commercial purposes without everyone's permission it's perfectly legal.

At his suggestion I'meven posting signs on my property grounds and one in my bedroom (nicely framed of course)

Edit: The attorney actually provides his clients with a "Sexual Consent Agreement" that he advises everyone have the chicks sign (especially the pro athletes...he acknowledges that it's not realistic for an average non athlete/ celebrity type) It's pretty funny as it's essentially a detailed "menu" form where the chick checks off what she's willing to do:

Oral sex (give)..."check"
Oral sex (receive)..."check"
Receive ejaculate in mouth..."check"
Anal......................"check"
Group sex..............."check"
Etc, etc....

He teaches a whole protocol where the guy copies her ID. There's even a questionnaire about age, number sex partners, etc....and bitches do all of it just to get some pro/fame cock.

He says the clients that follow his protocol, get this signed, in advance (of course), and on video, never have a problem. The ones that don't end up paying "hush money" fairly regularly though it never hits the press

[PapayaTapper]

(12-24-2015 03:26 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 03:11 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 12:41 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

The key is prevention. I personally secretly record EVERY new sex intercourse with a girl with a hidden camera in my room. This is stored on an encrypted hard drive, ready to be pulled in case shit hits the fan. If nothing bad happens, nobody will ever know that the video exists. I respect my girls' privacy.

Now, if the girl decides that she regrets fucking you and wants to accuse you... do like all the guys suggested here, and hire the best lawyer you can. Call now. Meet the lawyer and build your defence. Don't try this by yourself. You don't want to be in a jail cell, looking at the concrete walls, for a crime you didn't commit just because a girl changed her mind.

If you win the case, then by all means, sue her as hard as you can. Get as much money from that vile cow as you can. Make her pay for her actions. Press charges against her for false accusations, coupled with a civil lawsuit. We need to discourage girls from crying rape when it's false.

Wouldn't recording them without them knowing be illegal? How could you use that in court

Exhibit A, gents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAlRZ8CHgBU

This is a very interesting documentary, and I'm sure the full thing is available on the internet if you look hard enough. This was a rape case in Florida from a few years back that involved a frat house and a 27 year-old stripper. The case still provokes a lot of debate, and was one of the most contentious sexual assault cases in Florida's legal history. The raging debate about was she / wasn't she raped is by no means tempered or diluted by the fact that: THE ENTIRE SEX ACT WAS FILMED.

You can watch the actual video of the act and still not be entirely sure if she was or wasn't raped. This is how nuanced this issue is.

So even if you're recording your sexual encounters that may not mean shit (and may even be possibly illegal to boot).

You want to hold up a video where multiple frat boy chodes use the word "rape" on camera multiple times as the reason NOT to video tape? If anything the fact that video exists and there was still doubt as to whether rape occurred or not reinforces the idea that one on one consensual sex SHOULD be video taped.

Others can do what they want, but I for one am choosing to take the advice of the $475 per hour attorney with dozens of high profile clients

[griffinmill]

Quote:

You want to hold up a video where multiple frat boy chodes use the word "rape" on camera multiple times as the reason NOT to video tape?

I'm not saying don't videotape, I'm saying that "consent" can be so nuanced (and thus easily exploited by the feminist agenda and disturbed girls) that even when it's taped it's not always exactly clear what occurred.

[thoughtgypsy]

Pretty amazing that we live in an age where turning your house into a mini police state is the only rational option innocent men have to enjoy a worry free sex life.

My understanding is that video/audio recording laws vary from state to state. Either way, the penalties would likely be lower than being falsely accused of sexual assault.

If you have a gmail account and an android, a painless and automatic way to backup your text conversations can be had here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai...sync&hl=en

[germanico]

(12-24-2015 04:01 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

If anything the fact that video exists and there was still doubt as to whether rape occurred or not reinforces the idea that one on one consensual sex SHOULD be video taped.

Others can do what they want, but I for one am choosing to take the advice of the $475 per hour attorney with dozens of high profile clients

Yes, and the $500 an hour attorney would know how to get that evidence dismissed as it was filmed without consent.

Yes, get all the video evidence you can, but get the better lawyer.

As for the damage to ones reputation, own it. Be the bad boy, the one with the shady past. Some say he did but I know he didnt, hes just misunderstood. Women will love you more than if you tried to hide it, though you cant.

[PapayaTapper]

(12-24-2015 06:17 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 04:01 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

If anything the fact that video exists and there was still doubt as to whether rape occurred or not reinforces the idea that one on one consensual sex SHOULD be video taped.

Others can do what they want, but I for one am choosing to take the advice of the $475 per hour attorney with dozens of high profile clients

Yes, and the $500 an hour attorney would know how to get that evidence dismissed as it was filmed without consent.

Yes, get all the video evidence you can, but get the better lawyer.

As for the damage to ones reputation, own it. Be the bad boy, the one with the shady past. Some say he did but I know he didn't, hes just misunderstood. Women will love you more than if you tried to hide it, though you cant.

I beg to disagree

Firstly: If you walk into an establishment that posts "Premises under video surveillance" you are granting tacit consent to be surveiled. If you don't want to be videoed, don't go in. That's why every chucklehead that robs a gas station, 7/11, casino etc, etc, ends up on the news and then eventually in prison

Similarly You have the right to video YOUR OWN PREMISES. Guests have the right NOT to enter your premises. The posted sign gives them notice

Secondly: When talking about "false rape accusations" we're talking about criminal charges not civil claims The "other side" is the state
In criminal cases the opposing lawyer is salaried DA / prosecutor. They get paid by the "state" and don't give a rats ass about guilt or innocence...only whether they believe they can win (convict) or not.

In the case of a "false rape accusation" arising from consensual sex that occurs on MY PREMISES the DA/prosecutor would likely take one look at my tape and see a girl, willingly making out, willingly taking her clothes off, willingly sucking my dick, willingly banging in several positions, willingly swallowing or receiving a facial that makes her look like a glazed donut when I finish, then willingly getting the fuck out

After that the DA would likely issue his own



Is this foolproof for every possible scenario? Of course not. But in this current bullshit "rape culture" climate where the male who is accused has the burden of proof when it comes to innocence (innocent until proven guilty is a fucking myth), I feel a whole lot better in terms of risk mitigation with the video system than without.

[Dalaran1991]

My lawyer friend said that, even if the video is dismissed because filmed without consent, you can always spin it into a charge for filming people without consent, which is much much lighter than a rape charge, and still use the video evidence to dismiss the false accusation. If thats the worst case, recording is not a bad idea.

I feel bad for you guys having to do it though. Having to cover yourself like that just for the most natural enjoyment between two human beings (one of which is fucked up if she accuses you) just stinks of tragedy. In France, Spain or Italy cases like that are usually dismissed but you cant press charges for false accusation either. Still there's the damage to your reputation.

[PapayaTapper]

(12-24-2015 04:33 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

Quote:

You want to hold up a video where multiple frat boy chodes use the word "rape" on camera multiple times as the reason NOT to video tape?

I'm not saying don't videotape, I'm saying that "consent" can be so nuanced (and thus easily exploited by the feminist agenda and disturbed girls) that even when it's taped it's not always exactly clear what occurred.

You're right. The definition of "rape" has been so distorted, especially on college campuses that heterosexual sex is almost always considered non consensual. But that's my point. For the purposes of this discussion we are talking about false rape accusations where a girl willingly has sex then AFTER the fact claims she did not give consent. Without recorded evidence it becomes he said / she said and the moment that happens the "he" in the equation automatically loses. Guys are automatically fired or kicked out of school before there's even a trial. Audio-visual evidence is the first and critical line of defense.

Imagine this in a bedroom:

PT "Do you want this cock?"
Chic "Yes"
PT "Say it"
Chic "I want your cock"
PT "Where do want it?"
Chic "I want in me/ in my mouth/ in my ass."

Etc, etc...

If you have what I think of as normal part of encounter on audio/video taped, crying rape after the fact is a hard sell. Try "nuancing" the exchange above as rape to a DA or jury

You heard it here first. Video taping your bangs is going to be as normal "prophylactic" as wearing a rubber. Instead of preventing STDs or pregnancy it will prevent innocent men from ending up in "pound me in the ass prison", life ruined and registered as a sex offender