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Bulging biceps, big guns advance unhealthy masculinity
10-06-2015, 01:31 PM
I posted about this in the general knowledge thread earlier this week (before this thread existed) and have pasted my thoughts about it below:
Quote: (10-05-2015 03:22 PM)DeeDee Wrote:
Apparently the first man[0] to minor in women’s studies is an "anti-sexist activist" which founded a consulting firm[1] that "provides gender violence prevention and leadership training to institutions in the public and private sectors". At a recent event at Vanderbilt University titled "Healthy Masculinities Week"[2] he stated that “there has been a ratcheting up of what it takes to be considered menacing in the 1980s and 90s.”.
This statement is mostly based on his work in the educational video "Tough Guise" (from 2000, sold through mediaed)[3] in which he explains this concept of ever increasing masculinity and how this leads to a broadly carried concept of "more violence is more masculine". A sample from this documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3exzMPT4nGI
The event held at the university was the second edition, with the previous being called "The Politics of Masculinity"[4]. This year's event got quite some negative response in the media, notably Fox News denouncing the event by stating that "they try to demasculinize men" and "feminize men" with one of the most quoted statements from the special being: "and they are trying - and by they I mean the academics and the liberal left - to turn men into thumb-sucking, little beta-males in skinny jeans"[5, starting 1:35]
So not only did I learn there is a public dialogue about masculinity, it's also getting pretty mainstream with even Fox News covering it. This was in September. Though I have nothing in favor of Fox News, it is quite remarkable they made such a bold statement (though by a conservative feminine panel member[6]) which sounds like a typical red pilled insult. Like it was quoted directly from some top comment which you would find in certain communities online.
There was a thread about this "Healthy Masculinities Week" on the forum[7], but other than that it hasn't been discussed much in this circle. I considered creating a new thread, but it's not that relevant anymore. Maybe it's too late, but if Roosh (or anyone capable of that matter) wants to keep up the stampede of going public with the neo-masculine ideology, this could have been an excellent entry point.
Maybe a close eye should be kept on Vanderbilt organizing such an event in the future. The subject line of their latest masculinity event was "Explore healthy masculinity through various lenses: American society, the gay and bisexual community, fraternities, and more" so as a liberal university I see no reason why they shouldn't include the neo-masculinity lens, too. Other than of course the reason being that they don't want to hear it.
[0] http://www.jacksonkatz.com/
[1] http://www.mvpstrat.com/
[2] http://www.vanderbilt.edu/WomensCenter/n...-week-2015
[3] http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24488/
[4] http://www.vanderbilt.edu/mhs/2014/08/pa...sculinity/
[5] https://video.foxnews.com/v/446421949900...e-students
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Tantaros but more importantly https://www.google.com/search?q=andrea+t...s&tbm=isch
[7] archive/inde...50277.html
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10-06-2015, 01:33 PM
It's kind of working as well, I just saw that telegraph article about wimps being 'stronger' than body builders, but not really because of less muscle mass overall, posted on a facebook fitness group.
The group were actually praising it, and criticising bodybuilders. I explained why it was stupid feel good clickbait bullshit to everyone. A lot of impressionable future pussies there as well unfortunately.
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10-07-2015, 12:21 AM
If they really want to talk about "toxic masculinity" maybe they should talk about the incredibly high rates of violent crime among young, mostly black males in the inner city and how most of these young males were raised by single mothers and raised without a strong masculine influence in their lives. Somehow I don't think GI Joes and Arnold movies are the root of all this hyper aggressive, anti social, violent behavior from so many impoverished urban youths.
Obviously this will never mentioned by any of these hacks because these people have no interest in actually solving or the problem. That would be like the tobacco companies developing a pill that makes people never want to smoke again.
Also, the comments in this article are refreshing to read.
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10-07-2015, 03:49 AM
You can measure an articles quality and truthfulness by the comments that appear at the bottom.
Or specifically, the lack of quality and truthfulness if there isn't a section at all.
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10-07-2015, 07:25 AM
Quote: (10-06-2015 09:18 AM)not-a-pua Wrote:
Seems like lifting is coming under attack?
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Wimps are 'stronger than bodybuilders', study finds
A gram of bodybuilders' muscle is less powerful than the same amount of tissue from someone who did not weight train, tests show
Wimps might have the last laugh on gym-obsessed hunks - gram-for-gram, bodybuilders' muscles are weaker than those of people who never touch weights, research has shown.
Scientists found that bodybuilders had extraordinarily large muscle fibres capable of generating forces far greater than normal for an average human.
Yet tests showed that a gram of their muscle was less powerful than the same amount of tissue from someone who did not weight train.
Lead scientist Professor Hans Degens, from Manchester Metropolitan University, said: ''Most of us are impressed by the enormous muscle bulk of bodybuilders and think that these people must be extremely strong, like the 'Incredible Hulk'.
''The surprising thing, however, was that a gram of muscle from bodybuilders produced less force than that from non-bodybuilders, and it thus seems that the 'muscle quality' is less in bodybuilders.
''It appears that excessive muscle growth may have detrimental effects on the quality of the muscle, and one may well be better off with normal-sized muscles than with metabolically expensive large muscles.''
Bodybuilders are only strong because they have so much muscle mass - enough to compensate for the weakness of each gram, the research suggests.
''We had no indication that the proteins generating force - muscle motor proteins - work less in bodybuilders, but it could be that they have fewer motor proteins per gram muscle,'' Prof Degens added.
''It would be interesting to see what aspect in the training of bodybuilders causes this decrease in muscle quality.''
The scientists, whose findings are reported in the journal Experimental Physiology, took small muscle samples from the thighs of 12 male bodybuilders, six power athletes such as sprinters, and 14 men who were physically active but did not weight train.
Individual muscle fibres were isolated and tested to see how fast and powerfully they contracted. The results of these experiments allowed the team to make an assessment of muscle quality.
In contrast to bodybuilders, power athletes appeared to have an improved level of muscle quality, the researchers found.
''The training method seems to have an impact on muscle quality, which is of great importance for trainers and coaches interested in improving either performance or appearance of athletes,'' said Prof Degens.
The author of the article is listed as "Agency". It's not enough for the author to remove the comment section. He's too much of a coward to even attach his name to this crap. Hell, he doesn't even link to or name the study he cites. What shit-for-brains editor greenlit this?
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