[The Duke]

Entropy4, I'm glad to hear you are in the Ukraine. Please continue to let us know how your trips goes. I'm curious to know how Ukraine differs from other places in Eastern Europe.

[Excelsior]

(06-23-2011 02:40 AM)bluewater7 Wrote:  

A lot of these girls in other places want money up front like in a beggar sort of fashion... they're not that hot and... well.. I think all girls can be a pain in the ass... but there are some nice girls in the US.. especially in the South. And you have every ethnicity in the US too.

The idea that these Asian / EE bitches are "nice and caring" it didn't occur to me. They seemed overly concerned about primary needs and more like.. um.. actual hookers (even though they weren't).. and sort of nice after you "bought them". LOL. At least in the US I don't have to pay for a fucking taxi, meal, and cell phone calls to find out if I LIKE a bitch. In fact, I like making bitches pay for dinner and impress me. That is unheard of in many places in the world, and I don't think the US should catch as much shit as it does because of factors like this.

This is the thing that can fool a lot of guys: the female demand for primary needs vs. secondary needs(also known as luxuries). Once you understand this, it will become easy to see why guys are getting down on many (not ALL) American women.

I would agree that in most other parts of the world, it is common for a girl to expect you to want to meet her primary needs. In fact, prior to the most recent generation, this was the norm in America as well. I would contend that this is not really gold-digging in a true sense. Most women, whether they know/admit it or not, are hardwired to consider their man's ability to meet these primary needs to some extent. And meeting these needs is attainable for a lot of men-you don't need a seven or even a six figure income to meet that bar and provide for a girl's primary needs. Most men do it quite easily if they are attracted to the girl and wish to marry her (ex. any relationship in which there is a stay-at-home/part time working mom).

Many American women make a point of downplaying(at least outwardly) their desire for their "primary needs" to be met. They'll play up their independence and will look outwardly like they have their shit together completely, and are in fact entirely equal.

You'll fool yourself into thinking that because she is not consistently demanding her primary needs be met (like many foreign women will expect), she is in fact LESS materialistic than they are, and you'll then conclude that American women are actually great. But there is a catch: you've not accounted for their desire for secondary needs(luxuries).

In America, primary needs are the least of their concerns. It is no longer enough for a man to simply provide a decent place, safety, and good schooling for the kids. It isn't enough to simply be a good guy with a stable, well-paying job.

Increasingly, many(not all) of these women don't want you to fund their Honda Civic purchases anymore-they want a C-Class instead. They want you to fly them to Cancun every so often. They want you to pay for expensive dinners that, if done over the course of three months (the time she'll spend adhering to her "90 day rule") could easily cost you $10,000+. They want allowances to go on spending sprees with your credit card(preferably a black AMEX).

They don't want you to meet their primary needs-they expect you to go well beyond that. In fact, they demand it, and many men would contend that they have come to feel entitled to it. It has become increasingly more difficult for men to catch their attention without going this extra mile and showing that they can meet this higher bar. This is part of the reason PUA has become as big as it has-men can't impress these women by just being stable as they once did, so now they work to derive new ways to show higher value(read: DHV).

The legal system backs them up on all of this: alimony, palimony, and other draconian aspects of family law that will award women $45,000+ in child support on top of alimony if the husband was wealthy enough(who needs that much to support a single child?). Even the law here is invested in providing women with more than their primary needs require, enough so that it isn't difficult for a novice groupie/gold-digger to really take a man through the ringer legally if he isn't careful.

This entitlement mentality for these secondary needs is so entrenched that you'll have women actually planning to game the system with "starter marriages" and the like, planning for divorce because they know the judge will award them half and allow them to go buy their Mercedes with his money.

You may think an American girl is actually cheaper because you don't pay for every meal, or because they don't instantly demand their primary needs be met and they'll feign "independence". But they will demand secondary expenses(luxuries) on a far more frequent basis than other women will in return for their company/companionship, and that means that in the long run you will actually spend quite a bit more on them. The law will probably back them up as well.

This may matter less to you if you are into Pick Up-you're not in it for the long term. But most men do consider longer-term things when it comes to their experience with women, and "most men" are the ones who are speaking out and giving American women this bad rep. If you're trying to understand why the USA and its women take so much shit, you'll have to understand why those guys feel that way even if their approach to women is different from yours.

Additionally, even as a PUA all of this still counts for you-this growing entitlement mentality means that, unless you can easily provide secondary luxuries and look the part, you'll need more game to impress an attractive woman than your parents did, and much more than your buddy in the Philippines/Ukraine/Colombia/etc will. The bar is higher, and many guys aren't so sure it is worth reaching for.

This is why American men praise foreign women so much. It is becoming increasingly common for many American women to expect these secondary luxuries from men, which makes things a bit more challenging for most guys because they a) aren't wealthy enough in most cases to fund too many of those luxuries and b) aren't able to impress them with the smaller things(primary needs) that they can willingly provide-women in America just don't appreciate those things as much.

That same guy can go to [insert foreign country here] and feel quite a bit more appreciation from the females he meets there because a) she's not guaranteed massive amounts of child support there, b) she's not guaranteed alimony or a fat wedding ring and c) she's happy to have a nice guy around who will treat her with some respect (read: avoiding beating her up/embarassing her) and meet her primary needs. There just isn't as much of an entitlement to expensive secondary needs.

The men are happy because they are appreciated in a way they are not in the US, and because they can meet attractive women while spending/having less financially. They don't need to "stunt" just to impress a girl-just being a decent, stable or "nice" guy can get them somewhere with a cute girl who in America might not even look at them (or would just take a lot more game/effort and might have a stronger "bitch shield").

That, in a nutshell, is my theory on why American women are getting a bad reputation. Not every American girl fits the descriptions I've made above, but those mentalities have become common enough for men to notice as soon as they travel, and it creates tension as soon as they realize it.

Bottomline: American women are increasingly demanding very high prices incommensurate with their actual value.

[MiXX]

I agree. Although, I have met some cute, and down-to-earth American girls in the mid-west so far who don't have that strong secondary desire as bad as their LA or Miami counterparts, I would not think about a long term deal with any girl from America. It's juts a crappy deal to invest time, emotions or money in a woman in America, no matter where she is from.

Mixx

[bluewater7]

I don't know I disagree a bit. I would rather deal with a girl who doesn't nag at primary needs. Have you guys ever heard that if you take a girl from the sticks, she starts to see how much more she can have? Meaning "its never enough". I've experienced that in Asia and Colombia already. Its not just enough to meet primary needs. They figure "that is easy" for you and expect more and more and more.

American girls, they can fuck you just based on the IDEA of secondary needs.. and guys think girls in Colombia, Asia and Ukraine, etc. will do that MUCH EASIER than America. It just is not the case in my opinion. Its not as easy as it "should be".

Vicious.. part of the reason South Beach is superior are because of the foreign girls. Including girls from Russia / Ukraine. The hottest from everywhere in the world. I would hardly say that Mixx would agree ND beats South Beach purely on looks. I've also said quite extensively Miami isn't necessarily a "superior city" - but strictly on looks, I've never seen such high a concentration. Several posts back that up.

Anyway look forward to more Ukraine reports. I just replied because this guy was getting based for telling the truth. Not everyone has time to learn Russian and come up with elaborate stories and stay there for 6 months to fuck the hottest girls. And so, if you do, that is great. But if you don't (like me), now you know. The Philippines, however, is different. Its good to get different types of data like this. Not everyone is the same.

[Entropy4]

Miami Beach is good by US standards, but it's nothing special on a global scale. I agree with Mixx that I've met plenty of down-to-earth and chill American girls, but the general entitlement attitude wears on me very quickly now that I've dated so many foreign women. I disagree 100% with bluewater that providing a woman's primary needs can be more annoying. I take a weird pleasure in it, as I think most men do.

[bluewater7]

I've been around the globe, and I highly disagree.

I take a pleasure in girls competing for me. Call me crazy. =)

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(06-23-2011 05:42 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

Miami Beach is good by US standards, but it's nothing special on a global scale. I agree with Mixx that I've met plenty of down-to-earth and chill American girls, but the general entitlement attitude wears on me very quickly now that I've dated so many foreign women. I disagree 100% with bluewater that providing a woman's primary needs can be more annoying. I take a weird pleasure in it, as I think most men do.

I agree with you. I honestly think men who haven't been jaded (Young men) or men who have found that right girl (The golden 5%) do take pleasure in taking care of a woman. Providing a woman's BASIC NEEDS, with the occassional luxury thrown in for good behavior, is almost a primal urge for men.

[Excelsior]

(06-23-2011 05:31 PM)bluewater7 Wrote:  

I don't know I disagree a bit. I would rather deal with a girl who doesn't nag at primary needs. Have you guys ever heard that if you take a girl from the sticks, she starts to see how much more she can have? Meaning "its never enough". I've experienced that in Asia and Colombia already. Its not just enough to meet primary needs. They figure "that is easy" for you and expect more and more and more.

I don't buy it, and neither do the many men(some of whom are ugly, overweight, old, complete chumps or all of the above) who end up over in many parts of Asia/Latin America/Europe with cute girls and stable relationships, just because they're good, stable and want to meet her basic necessities.
The bar for primary needs is not high. It is not necessarily the slippery slope you think it is.

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American girls, they can fuck you just based on the IDEA of secondary needs.. and guys think girls in Colombia, Asia and Ukraine, etc. will do that MUCH EASIER than America. It just is not the case in my opinion. Its not as easy as it "should be".

Can't you see that this is exactly the point? That is why so many men view those other women as something "worthwhile", romanticizing them and claiming their superiority to women here in the US. Those women aren't as easy to fuck with the flash of a black AMEX or a gold chain, but at the same time they still appreciate the little things (read: primary needs) a guy can offer for their inherent value.

In other words, they value the little things that the vast majority of men are capable and willing to offer and show appreciation for those things, while an American woman with this attitude puts more value on things few men can offer and that even fewer are willing to offer, things that are mere luxuries. Can you see the problem there?

In that way, they are LESS like prostitutes, not more. An American woman with the mentality to fuck you just based on the idea of secondary needs is only good for sex.

Think about it: what can she offer you? There's no loyalty there, she only values luxury and your ability to give it to her-if you fail, she's gone. She can't cook or perform any of those traditional roles that many foreign(and in the past, some American) women would do, so she likely won't bring that to the table. You don't need her for companionship or knowledge, that's what your bros are for.

She's only good for sex. Slowly but surely, more and more American women are adopting this entitlement to secondary needs, and thus reducing their value to nothing but sexbots.

It isn't hard to find loyalty from [insert foreign nationality here] women if you just meet her primary needs. Some guys will even complain about how loyal(read: possessive/jealous) some of these women can be if you just treat them with some decency. They'll stick to you and even fall in love with you just for showing some kindness.

An increasingly large number of American women just can't give you that type of value-they don't give a damn who you are or how kind you are, as long as you can meet those secondary needs. If you're a guy who isn't affluent enough to regularly meet these secondary needs (read: 90% of guys), she's entirely useless for anything but quick sex(you're too poor for her to stick around).

But even if you're a rich guy and you can afford that C-Class and pay her way to Monaco every other week, what use is she? Hell, an escort is a better value than many of them-at least she'll be upfront and honest with you, and you still get the sex for a lower price!

Bottomline: American women are increasingly earning the "easy" reputation around the world for a reason, but that doesn't make them a great deal. Sometimes (as we've seen with many foreign women), you need to invest to get true value and quality. For some men, that still counts.

[Excelsior]

(06-23-2011 06:05 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

I agree with you. I honestly think men who haven't been jaded (Young men) or men who have found that right girl (The golden 5%) do take pleasure in taking care of a woman. Providing a woman's BASIC NEEDS, with the occassional luxury thrown in for good behavior, is almost a primal urge for men.

You've hit the nail on the head. Men love to feel needed and appreciated, and though there are other ways, providing for a woman is the way most feel they can do this*. This is male biology-it isn't going away. For a woman, showing true appreciation for this is one of the best ways to endear yourself to a man.

When a woman becomes unappreciative of a man's provision/will to provide for her primary needs and starts overemphasizing and feeling entitled to secondary needs, she immediately (and at times unknowingly) eliminates the ability for the vast majority of men to feel needed when around her.

Think about it: how many men can regularly and reliably afford these secondary needs? Perhaps around 10% of them. When too many women start becoming entitled to secondary needs, they leave a lot of their male peers without a way to feel needed or desired by the opposite sex. They deny these men their desire to meet a primal urge, because they can no longer afford to do it. The men can no longer just...be men, or really feel like men. If they can't "stunt"(to borrow an African-American phrase for displaying wealth and ability to meet secondary needs), then they're just not valuable to an increasingly large (some would contend a majority) number of women.

You can see how this can create issues.

*Note: For all the little groupies out there: when I say "providing", I'm talking about things you need(primary needs mainly) that most men(not just a wealthy few) are capable of giving. Gucci handbags, black AMEX shopping sprees and leased Jaguars don't count.

[Vicious]

(06-23-2011 05:31 PM)bluewater7 Wrote:  

Vicious.. part of the reason South Beach is superior are because of the foreign girls. Including girls from Russia / Ukraine. The hottest from everywhere in the world. I would hardly say that Mixx would agree ND beats South Beach purely on looks. I've also said quite extensively Miami isn't necessarily a "superior city" - but strictly on looks, I've never seen such high a concentration. Several posts back that up.

You are trying to have your own beliefs verified here rather than questioning them and learning something. Unless these alleged posters have been to every ass end of the globe I wouldn't take their word on where the highest concentration of beauty is. Do you doubt that with some googling I can present a couple of links claiming that THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ARE FOUND IN XXX from some random chump. This is basic statistical analysis, individual opinion is negligible. I would take Naughty Nomad's word on where the most beautiful women are over 10 regular posters opinion. Because he has done the legwork and gone to places we wouldn't dream of setting foot in.

I saw a short documentary recently on how a fairly small Brazilian town has gotten the just right genetical mix to produce a shit load of models headed straight for tier A. I can't remember the name of the place right now but it was fairly small (like 300.000 or so). Seeing these things is why I would never break out absolute statements like "SB has the best looking women in the world".

[K-man]

The incremental improvement in quality/easiness of girls in a country have to be weighed agains the time/cost to get to that country.
For an American, Ukraine is just too far... You are looking at $1,500 airfare and 1-2 days spent flying with 1-2 changeovers. Is that worth it? Of course the disappointment if you don't get laid is going to be much larger, you'd be like "Shit, I dropped good money and spent 18 hours in 3 different airplanes for that?"
Latin America seems much better to visit, especially for short trips, such as 1 week. How many weeks of vacation do you get, anyway?
On the other hand, for someone like me, Turkey is great to visit - right next door, cheap discount flights, lots of Russian tourists... I've banged several russian girls there, and I've never been to Russia actually. But I would not recommend Turkey to someone from the US for a week-long trip - because of the time and cost to get there. Just go to Cancun instead, or Miami for that matter.

[Vickers]

(06-24-2011 01:46 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(06-23-2011 05:31 PM)bluewater7 Wrote:  

Vicious.. part of the reason South Beach is superior are because of the foreign girls. Including girls from Russia / Ukraine. The hottest from everywhere in the world. I would hardly say that Mixx would agree ND beats South Beach purely on looks. I've also said quite extensively Miami isn't necessarily a "superior city" - but strictly on looks, I've never seen such high a concentration. Several posts back that up.

You are trying to have your own beliefs verified here rather than questioning them and learning something. Unless these alleged posters have been to every ass end of the globe I wouldn't take their word on where the highest concentration of beauty is. Do you doubt that with some googling I can present a couple of links claiming that THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ARE FOUND IN XXX from some random chump. This is basic statistical analysis, individual opinion is negligible. I would take Naughty Nomad's word on where the most beautiful women are over 10 regular posters opinion. Because he has done the legwork and gone to places we wouldn't dream of setting foot in.

I saw a short documentary recently on how a fairly small Brazilian town has gotten the just right genetical mix to produce a shit load of models headed straight for tier A. I can't remember the name of the place right now but it was fairly small (like 300.000 or so). Seeing these things is why I would never break out absolute statements like "SB has the best looking women in the world".

Yeah,but Naughty Nomad is ONE person with ONE taste ONE experience and ONE opinion.Drop in the bucket.

I would not do the mistake to judge the girls of a country by i repeat ONE persons experience(1-2 days of visit),since taste differs so much,as we've also seen it on this topic.For example a lot of people(including me)rave about ukrainien girls but this topic(georgec's experience) was a total dissapointment.
Also a lot of people rave about danish girls but for example Rooshv's experience was an impressive letdown there.
So this shows that not everything is black or white,not everything is obvious.

The best thing is if you do the legwork yourself to be convinced.

[Entropy4]

Yes, do the legwork yourself. I think a lot of guys, especially if they've only been to places like Thailand or Colombia, think the rest of the world is going to be a giant vagina waiting for them, when it's not. Most places you have to put in work, often much more work than you put in in the US. But for some of us, we get a sick pleasure out of that.

And FWIW: Miami Beach is possibly the most overrated place I've ever been. Yeah, there are some hot girls there, but the place just reminds me of cheesy clothes and $40k millionaires everywhere.

Ukraine Update: Possibly the highest concentration of stunning girls I've ever seen anywhere in the world. And I've been to 35 countries. But this definitely is not a place you can just drop in for 3 days and expect to get laid. People here are very friendly, but they're a bit more conservative and social-circle oriented than the average country. It actually reminds me a bit of Argentina, in that people need to feel like they know you a bit. Although I would say it's not as extreme. (Also, the girls are hotter, and the ratios are better). It also looks like I lucked out and this is a four-day weekend for Ukrainians. So a lot of tourists are going to come into town from Kiev and other parts of the country for some vacation.

Still only been here three days, so just scratching the surface.

[Vickers]

(06-24-2011 04:17 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

Yes, do the legwork yourself. I think a lot of guys, especially if they've only been to places like Thailand or Colombia, think the rest of the world is going to be a giant vagina waiting for them, when it's not. Most places you have to put in work, often much more work than you put in in the US. But for some of us, we get a sick pleasure out of that.

And FWIW: Miami Beach is possibly the most overrated place I've ever been. Yeah, there are some hot girls there, but the place just reminds me of cheesy clothes and $40k millionaires everywhere.

Ukraine Update: Possibly the highest concentration of stunning girls I've ever seen anywhere in the world. And I've been to 35 countries. But this definitely is not a place you can just drop in for 3 days and expect to get laid. People here are very friendly, but they're a bit more conservative and social-circle oriented than the average country. It actually reminds me a bit of Argentina, in that people need to feel like they know you a bit. Although I would say it's not as extreme. (Also, the girls are hotter, and the ratios are better). It also looks like I lucked out and this is a four-day weekend for Ukrainians. So a lot of tourists are going to come into town from Kiev and other parts of the country for some vacation.

Still only been here three days, so just scratching the surface.

Are you in Odessa right now?

I've heard it's the place where the rich playboys hang with their trophy wifes and girlfriends.What's the atmosphere down there?

You mentioned before in an other topic that hungarian girls,women dress very well,care about their appearence.
What's your experience in this department on the ukrainien side.I've heard they also dress very well,very feminine.

So what's the differnce in general lookwise(dress deparmment,hair,make-up,poise,etc) in your opinion to other EE countries int this regard(think of a short comparison)?

[Entropy4]

I haven't seen the "rich playboy" type. In fact, it's been more of the same "ridiculously hot girl walking around with short guy who looks like a douchebag" that I saw all over Russia.

It's still early to tell on the scene (haven't hit the weekend yet), but the two clubs we went to, there were more girls than guys and the girls were very hot.

As for how they look, they dress very feminine, very sexy. As with Russian women, they seem to be proud of their sexuality. Short dresses, high heels, lots of midriff, backs showing, etc. Long, beautiful hair, make up, jewelry. The whole nine yards. They put a lot of effort into their appearance. And it pays off. I seriously see 4-5 girls walking around during the day here who could probably be part-time models back in the states.

My preference is tall, thin, runway model types, with very long hair. Ukraine's got plenty of them. Very skinny girls with amazing figures. Some of them even have giant (real) tits too.

I'll just say this... if I were fluent in Russian, I'd grab an apartment either here or in Russia for the summer and set up shop. The language barrier really is by far the biggest hurdle. There is absolutely no lack of quantity or quality here.

[Vickers]

(06-24-2011 05:34 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

I haven't seen the "rich playboy" type. In fact, it's been more of the same "ridiculously hot girl walking around with short guy who looks like a douchebag" that I saw all over Russia.

It's still early to tell on the scene (haven't hit the weekend yet), but the two clubs we went to, there were more girls than guys and the girls were very hot.

As for how they look, they dress very feminine, very sexy. As with Russian women, they seem to be proud of their sexuality. Short dresses, high heels, lots of midriff, backs showing, etc. Long, beautiful hair, make up, jewelry. The whole nine yards. They put a lot of effort into their appearance. And it pays off. I seriously see 4-5 girls walking around during the day here who could probably be part-time models back in the states.

My preference is tall, thin, runway model types, with very long hair. Ukraine's got plenty of them. Very skinny girls with amazing figures. Some of them even have giant (real) tits too.

I'll just say this... if I were fluent in Russian, I'd grab an apartment either here or in Russia for the summer and set up shop. The language barrier really is by far the biggest hurdle. There is absolutely no lack of quantity or quality here.

Hmmm...

I bet with these kind of looks they would be called hookers back in the US.
But hey, it's Eastern Europe pure.

American women are that much "feminised" in terms of looks,it's a shame.Hoodies,sweatpants,t-shirts,flip-flops all the way.
They forgot to behave and dress like a woman.Sadly it's not just the "regular" people.

I remember an interview on TV with Selena Gomez who was shooting a movie last year in Budapest.
She was asked about the culture shock,about the people there.

And the thing she mentioned(with a naughty smile on) was like:

"Hmm people(i think of the women) actually don't wear that much of clothing,no matter what the weather is..."


I think she was referring to THAT thing.

[Entropy4]

Yeah... I mean, they're aware of it. But it's different. They don't dress like whores. They dress provocatively, but they do it in a classy way. Not like the girls in the States where they basically just find shorts so short their ass hangs out the bottom and their tits are popping out of their shirts. They take pride in beauty here. And class is part of that. They're proud of being beautiful. But not in an arrogant "I'm better than you" way like some American women. I have yet to get a harsh, "How dare you talk to me" type of blow out in Eastern Europe. The vast majority of girls here have been friendly, even when not interested. And that's after three countries and probably 40-50 approaches.

Like I said, if it weren't for the language barrier, these countries would be gold mines. But in a way, I prefer the language barrier because it means hordes of horny British and Italian guys don't overrun these places. A couple of the people I've met here have said that my friend and I are the only Americans they've ever seen in Odessa.

[Vickers]

(06-24-2011 06:44 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

Yeah... I mean, they're aware of it. But it's different. They don't dress like whores. They dress provocatively, but they do it in a classy way.

Totally agree,the main thing is called CLASS what puts NA and EE women in two different leagues.It's all about how they've been raised up.
Family,gender values-media influence-socialising-temper etc...this can effects "crazy" things.
But I'm afraid a bit of too much westernization might cause the same sweeping changes in some decades on that part of the world too.

(06-24-2011 06:44 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

Not like the girls in the States where they basically just find shorts so short their ass hangs out the bottom and their tits are popping out of their shirts. They take pride in beauty here. And class is part of that. They're proud of being beautiful.But not in an arrogant "I'm better than you" way like some American women. I have yet to get a harsh, "How dare you talk to me" type of blow out in Eastern Europe. The vast majority of girls here have been friendly, even when not interested.

Class,class,class...

(06-24-2011 06:44 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

And that's after three countries and probably 40-50 approaches.
Like I said, if it weren't for the language barrier, these countries would be gold mines. But in a way, I prefer the language barrier because it means hordes of horny British and Italian guys don't overrun these places. A couple of the people I've met here have said that my friend and I are the only Americans they've ever seen in Odessa.

Sure it is.But that makes it fun.

Hard work for quality "deserts"...

[pitt]

Georgec great posts. Ukraine is out of my list for good.

[Entropy4]

Yeah... summary for everyone: if you want really easy lays with mediocre girls, go to Thailand or Guatemala. If you want to put in blood, sweat and tears for some of the hottest girls you've ever seen, go to Eastern Europe. If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.

[Roosh]

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The language barrier really is by far the biggest hurdle.

I was afraid of that. In Poland it's a minor problem but one that is hurting my day approaches. I usually just approach at night in places where college educated girls hang out.

It's a shame because you see beautiful girls with menial jobs that would hop a chance to get with an American, but there's no way to communicate with her.

[Luckystar]

(06-23-2011 06:36 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

I agree with you regarding this nonsense about them being cold. Russians and Eastern Europeans are some of the most hospitable people you will come across once you spend a little bit of time with them. They are genuine.

You need to make a distinction between Russians and Eastern Europeans. Eastern Europeans are warmer and more open minded than Russians.

But, from my experience the cold and materialistic generalization does have some merit. It's getting better with time.

[Aliblahba]

(06-24-2011 10:55 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

Yeah... summary for everyone: if you want really easy lays with mediocre girls, go to Thailand or Guatemala. If you want to put in blood, sweat and tears for some of the hottest girls you've ever seen, go to Eastern Europe. If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.

Agreed. I wouldn't go back to EE without staying 3 months and renting a nice apartment. Even w/ my affinity towards Latinas they couldn't hold up to women in the EE. Some of the facial features are striking, to say the least. The only turnoff was the "slow to warm up" attitude.

(06-24-2011 11:04 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

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The language barrier really is by far the biggest hurdle.

It's a shame because you see beautiful girls with menial jobs that would hop a chance to get with an American, but there's no way to communicate with her.

And there lies the irony. It's frustrating to say the least.

[Luckystar]

Entropy, Aliblahba

Pretty high compliments for EE. There's a lot countries in the EE.

If you had to breakdown the region in terms of sheer beauty, what would be your top 3? (excluding Russia, I wouldn't consider it EE).

I just so happen to have 4 month to spare and was thinking of settling in one place. Have been thinking Sweden, Poland or Romania....

[Aliblahba]

(06-24-2011 11:47 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Entropy, Aliblahba

Pretty high compliments for EE. There's a lot countries in the EE.

If you had to breakdown the region in terms of sheer beauty, what would be your top 3? (excluding Russia, I wouldn't consider it EE).

I just so happen to have 4 month to spare and was thinking of settling in one place. Have been thinking Sweden, Poland or Romania....

I was in Estonia, and was awestruck at the sheer beauty. Above the modelesque bodies were the defined facial features and unbelievable eyes. The consensus from Swedes and Finn's I talked to was that Estonian girls were the hottest in the region. They couldn't be any hotter anywhere else. Occasionally I'd see chicks from Latvia or somewhere else, but I classify them all the same----AMAZING. Funny though, one of the hottest I saw was Russian, and she approached me.

Even in the dead of winter stag parties were tearing the place down on weekends. I did see a lot of Italians roaming through, as Mr. GM was asking on another thread.

I don't have enough experience to advise you where to land for 4 months in EE. I've heard good and bad on Romania. If it was me I'd drop the quality a little and head to Finland. The girls were WAY more responsive.