Quote: (06-16-2011 12:58 PM)Sh0t Wrote:
Ah you guys have no romance in you. Some girls ARE worth the extra effort. The best girls aren't just going to arrive out of thin air for you. Not saying that applies to this chick, but don't be so cynical.
Well, I can't stop you or anything. It was just some advice. Then again, I would actually contend that this type of reasoning is part of why we are seeing so many bad attitudes with women.
The girls aren't worth it at all, and yet men still insist that they are, and when pressed can't give much of a good reason why except "I dunno man, its romantic!".
This guy has had one solid night of banging this girl, far too short a time to deem her "worth" anything more than a good fuck.
Then add the other factors(flaky, slutty, feelings for other guys, etc), and I really can't see the point.
I'm a VERY cynical bastard, I openly admit that. But to be honest, I really think a lot of American men can use a healthy does of cynicism when it comes to the modern American dating scene because, to be honest, this "romance" you are talking about will not get you very far here. Chivalry and classic romanticism are dead in this society, and women killed them. They are all playing by the new rules(which they created) now. Any man who tries to go old school on them is putting himself at unnecessary risk.
I mean seriously, how romantic is she being right now? "I just fucked you, but I sort of have feelings for another guy", "I don't really want to commit right now", "I've fucked 8 guys(multiply that by 2)", etc, etc. And the guy in question is certain she'd fuck the other dude before him if given the choice. Yeah man, she seems smitten. Its a real love story in the making.
And you want to return this behavior by being romantic? C'mon, son.
You owe her nothing she doesn't also show you.
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Another thing to keep in mind is that even if this girl isn't worth it, for the PRACTICE alone, it would be a good exercise to try and win her over. eventually you may run into a girl that is worth it, and being practiced is always better than not. After I seduce girls, I always practice getting them to fall in love with me. One day you may need it. Plus, it's fun.
Well, fine, as long as the effort doesn't take enough energy to prevent him from pursuing more worthwhile women(which I suspect it will given the obstacles he is facing).
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All that stuff Mcginnis wrote is fine and good, but that's boring man. Of course there are more girls in the world. So what? Right now, he wants this one. It might just be his ego more than anything else, but why not exercise it.
Oh, I dunno...
Oneitis
Pedestalization(she's not as special as you think)
Blowing up her ego(she hasn't earned it)
Wasting opportunity(other hot fish in the sea you could have)
Heck, I could think of several more reasons "why not". Outcome dependence and singular focus are the death knells of successful game, ESPECIALLY with a modern, young American woman who has options.
It would be one thing if this girl had truly proven herself to be worthy(shown strong interest in him, committed, etc). Instead, she's proven nothing but a slutty, flaky, cheating girl with a nice body.
What a prize!
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Go for it OP, but just be prepared to fail. Chances are it won't turn out too well.
You know he is going to fail...and you suggest that he proceed with this huge energy and emotional investment?
Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time.