I cant find people like myself, when I try to explain my friends about red pill they just ignore this and think Im a cheater and treat women wrong. No red pill to hang out with, I just cant stand them anymore, it feels like I talk to a female and not real men. At work I have to hide my point of view and the same with my family. May be it was better to stay a blue pill after all, but no way back. Even the conservatives are Betas. When I travel I see its the same situation in other countries.
all my friends/family are blue pill
That's probably why I joined this forum.
It still hasn't changed my real life situation though, I've just accepted that there aren't very many neomasculine people in the world, and I may never be able to fully talk openly apart from on here, or when I don't care what others think of those opinions.
Life isn't about making friends anyway, its about being successful, so shift your focus to that and you will not worry about being part of social circles so much, and you will gain the respect and probably friendships of masculine men in the future.
In a way that is still blue pill thinking to be worrying about making friends that you can share everything with.
It still hasn't changed my real life situation though, I've just accepted that there aren't very many neomasculine people in the world, and I may never be able to fully talk openly apart from on here, or when I don't care what others think of those opinions.
Life isn't about making friends anyway, its about being successful, so shift your focus to that and you will not worry about being part of social circles so much, and you will gain the respect and probably friendships of masculine men in the future.
In a way that is still blue pill thinking to be worrying about making friends that you can share everything with.
"Especially Roosh offers really good perspectives. But like MW said, at the end of the day, is he one of us?"
- Reciproke, posted on the Roosh V Forum.
I have/had exactly the same problem. My boys are great guys. However , they are pretty blue pillish and beta. I no longer try to convince them. I let them do their thing. If I need any help or advice I just ask this forum. I'm glad I met some great people from this place as well.
I'm trying to live by example. Eventually my friends will get curious and ask me all about the awesome things I do. Then I might explain them the red pill and the lifestyle of it.
I'm trying to live by example. Eventually my friends will get curious and ask me all about the awesome things I do. Then I might explain them the red pill and the lifestyle of it.
Quote: (08-08-2015 10:43 AM)bjjay Wrote:
I cant find people like myself, when I try to explain my friends about red pill they just ignore this and think Im a cheater and treat women wrong. No red pill to hang out with, I just cant stand them anymore, it feels like I talk to a female and not real men. At work I have to hide my point of view and the same with my family. May be it was better to stay a blue pill after all, but no way back. Even the conservatives are Betas. When I travel I see its the same situation in other countries.
We get you.
I had an extremly hard time explaining my new knowledge.
Somne options:
1. Try to meet up with people from your area, who are on the forum.
2. Soften the message. I use logic to explain and less emotion. Telling people that guys and girls are different makes sense. They are partialy open to what I preach.
3. Mentor younger dudes - you can shape their minds, and they also look up to you.
4. Look for the Alphas and other demografics - such as divorced guys, guys who had a major break up and so on.
Those will be willing to accept and maybe even show you the ropes.
5. Be succesful. This guarentees that people (not all, but some) will listen.
YoungArt put it beutifuly:
Quote: (08-09-2015 11:23 AM)YoungArt Wrote:
I have/had exactly the same problem. My boys are great guys. However , they are pretty blue pillish and beta. I no longer try to convince them. I let them do their thing. If I need any help or advice I just ask this forum. I'm glad I met some great people from this place as well.
I'm trying to live by example. Eventually my friends will get curious and ask me all about the awesome things I do. Then I might explain them the red pill and the lifestyle of it.
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Quote: (08-08-2015 10:43 AM)bjjay Wrote:
I cant find people like myself, when I try to explain my friends about red pill they just ignore this and think Im a cheater and treat women wrong. No red pill to hang out with, I just cant stand them anymore, it feels like I talk to a female and not real men. At work I have to hide my point of view and the same with my family. May be it was better to stay a blue pill after all, but no way back. Even the conservatives are Betas. When I travel I see its the same situation in other countries.
First of all don't become jaded. There is a lot of blue pill poison even in "red pill" gatherings such this forum. Indeed if you expand the question to other areas, such as politics , current events, economy, etc, then even RVF is socked with blue pill. This is very normal since taking the red pill is not a binary event but rather a journey of (re)discovery after being lied to about everything from the day we were born.
I would advice that you do not spit red pill on the average chump. If on the other hand you choose to do it then be careful. Wait until they ask a question, then give them the truth unvarnished and unapologetic. Don't wait for or expect their approval, most likely it won't come by. Furthermore don't enter into debates with them for it is useless.
Real example:
Man: Are you a Republican or a Democrat?
Me: Politics is a second rate theater run by Bankesters and their agents to convince the feeble minded that they have a government. Period.
Did it convince him? NO! Did it plant a seed in his mind? YES! Do I care? Not really
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Be an example...If you meet other men that seem to respond to hints of red pill ideology, then impart your wisdom accordingly.
Most people don't respond well to being hit over the head with new ideas, so it may take time and a slow drip to convince some to take the pill. And always remember, don't cast your pearls before swine. A lot of SJW's and White Knights are too far gone to help. They're forever lost in the feminist imperative.
Most people don't respond well to being hit over the head with new ideas, so it may take time and a slow drip to convince some to take the pill. And always remember, don't cast your pearls before swine. A lot of SJW's and White Knights are too far gone to help. They're forever lost in the feminist imperative.
Yeah, don't try to convince anyone to change their belief systems. Don't even bring it up. If someone asks you for advicr for a specific situation, then by all means give them an answer based on the red pill, avoiding jargon. People don't like to have their belief systems challenged, and there isn't any real benefit for you to go out of your way to convince them, you are not a missionary. Just live your life.
@Flyboy
That example didn't plant a seed. You insulted the person and come off as an asshat. Why not just say you are an indepwndent or that you don't like either party? No need to be a dick to someone trying to start a friendly conversation.
@Flyboy
That example didn't plant a seed. You insulted the person and come off as an asshat. Why not just say you are an indepwndent or that you don't like either party? No need to be a dick to someone trying to start a friendly conversation.
Quote: (08-10-2015 06:55 PM)Repo Wrote:
Yeah, don't try to convince anyone to change their belief systems. Don't even bring it up. If someone asks you for advicr for a specific situation, then by all means give them an answer based on the red pill, avoiding jargon. People don't like to have their belief systems challenged, and there isn't any real benefit for you to go out of your way to convince them, you are not a missionary. Just live your life.
@Flyboy
That example didn't plant a seed. You insulted the person and come off as an asshat. Why not just say you are an indepwndent or that you don't like either party? No need to be a dick to someone trying to start a friendly conversation.
I agree with the first part wholeheartedly! As to my earlier post, I am afraid you misunderstood me. I counseled against bringing up red pill subjects with average people. Furthermore I stressed caution should one decide to do it. Caution means assessing your listener, something that would have been completely missing from your example of a stranger trying to strike a friendly conversation. Yes of course I would have answered someone whom I don't know and vice versa in a very different tone and words. Maybe something along the line of "whatever they are all the same haha!".
On the other hand if I knew the man and he struck me as someone who feels something is wrong in the wider world but he can't quite identify it, then yes by all means I would give it to him as I believe it. One can be different for the sake of being different, or one can be different because they have different convictions. If the latter is the case then it's only rational for them to state their convictions without apology. You might not believe it but people admire those who stand their ground.
Stick around BJJay. This forum will provide you with the stimulation you need. Fair warning though, you'll start retreating into yourself simply because you won't be able to stomach the BS.
Think of the Southpark episode where everyone spews shit and Stan starts drinking. It will get worse before it gets better. Get some more posts, rep, and arrange a meet up with some other members. It's refreshing to meet a like minded person.
Think of the Southpark episode where everyone spews shit and Stan starts drinking. It will get worse before it gets better. Get some more posts, rep, and arrange a meet up with some other members. It's refreshing to meet a like minded person.
@Flyboy
All I'm saying is that the response you typed out clearly implies that you are calling the person who asked you the question feeble minded. Whether or not that is what you meant, that is how most people will take it. You can state your position factually without inferring that the person you are talking to is feeble minded (even if they really are).
All I'm saying is that the response you typed out clearly implies that you are calling the person who asked you the question feeble minded. Whether or not that is what you meant, that is how most people will take it. You can state your position factually without inferring that the person you are talking to is feeble minded (even if they really are).
OP, I'll be honest; and I've said this before.
You're buying into the concept of the red pill being some sort of alpha neo masculine reality that the people around you don't understand. That concept in reality is misguided. It's a sure fire way of distancing yourself from both relationships and success, especially when it comes to such relevant connections as family and work.
Let's reframe this.
Life is about learning the game and practicing it around people to build better relationships and collaborating with them to create more success. Those people do not change but the way you handle them can change; understanding their motivations will make you a better assessor of human behavior and improve your social interactions.
People have certain alpha traits as well as beta ones. You can't go around categorizing them into one because your perception is as such. You have to observe them objectively. Taking a few theories from the forum and extrapolating it haphazardly into the world will not let you do that.
Red pill is the true understanding of human behavior through experience. Unless you have gained that and can build relationships with different kinds of people and become aware of your own personality, you are not there yet.
Ignoring the "betas" and gravitating to "alphas" is a premature exercise rooted in manosphere theories that are not applied properly. Evaluate your close family and friends for the values they bring to the table and you would be surprised how many of those appear alpha.
For example, I have a few fellow sales people I work with that cannot make a cold approach to save their life. On the other hand I also know a lot of cold approachers that are so socially awkward that they cannot even hold a conversation without acting odd. Sometimes these latter folks are the same ones that think that everyone else is beta except for them.
I keep seeing these "I can't believe there are so many betas" threads popping up. I suggest making an effort to understand people and objectively try to determine if they are worthy of your friendship before using these alpha/beta filters.
You're buying into the concept of the red pill being some sort of alpha neo masculine reality that the people around you don't understand. That concept in reality is misguided. It's a sure fire way of distancing yourself from both relationships and success, especially when it comes to such relevant connections as family and work.
Let's reframe this.
Life is about learning the game and practicing it around people to build better relationships and collaborating with them to create more success. Those people do not change but the way you handle them can change; understanding their motivations will make you a better assessor of human behavior and improve your social interactions.
People have certain alpha traits as well as beta ones. You can't go around categorizing them into one because your perception is as such. You have to observe them objectively. Taking a few theories from the forum and extrapolating it haphazardly into the world will not let you do that.
Red pill is the true understanding of human behavior through experience. Unless you have gained that and can build relationships with different kinds of people and become aware of your own personality, you are not there yet.
Ignoring the "betas" and gravitating to "alphas" is a premature exercise rooted in manosphere theories that are not applied properly. Evaluate your close family and friends for the values they bring to the table and you would be surprised how many of those appear alpha.
For example, I have a few fellow sales people I work with that cannot make a cold approach to save their life. On the other hand I also know a lot of cold approachers that are so socially awkward that they cannot even hold a conversation without acting odd. Sometimes these latter folks are the same ones that think that everyone else is beta except for them.
I keep seeing these "I can't believe there are so many betas" threads popping up. I suggest making an effort to understand people and objectively try to determine if they are worthy of your friendship before using these alpha/beta filters.
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