[Il Bersagliere]

Hey guys,

I have a somewhat general question about LMR/Escalation. This is somewhat inspired by Rogue's thread and a few issues I've been facing.

Say she's back at your place and you start to escalate by going for the kiss and then you pull back. Then you resume escalating. Then she stops you and the "real" LMR begins. She stops you and you go back to looking at pictures or watching a movie or whatever you were doing before.

This continues for a few hours. What do you do then? Do you "caveman"? Do you also verbally escalate ("it's ok. We're not gonna do anything") while you are touching and kissing her. Or maybe you do a freezeout if it's giving you too much trouble and then restart a few minutes later.

When I read about people facing hours and hours of LMR here and FINALLY "bust" through, I am unsure of what they are talking about. Can anyone give me a few examples or some tips. I'd appreciate it.

[amusedmastery]

Use your intuition and don't let this go on for hours. Push in again and get your hand between her legs while pulling her hair while you're kissing and biting her neck. Now you've escalated the makeout and given her a preview of rough sex. She may be getting bored of just kissing/touching. This should get her hot enough to have sex. If not, I'd just say I'm going to bed. Later.

[OregonToSoCal]

LMR is easily my weakest aspect of game but something that recently worked for me and may be controversial is if you get the feeling she really wants to have sex but is just too nervous/scared/shy to do so, invite her to sleep over at your place. She'll initially protest but assure her you'll just sleep and you'll "do your best to behave". If she agrees make sure she's only in her bra and panties (or less) while under the covers or offer her a t shirt of yours to wear. If she's up for a little more than just sleeping continue the makeout and heavy petting and then start jerking yourself off. See if you can get her to help you or at the very least have her watch and then cum on her leg if you can. This will set a strong sexual frame that you're taking care of your needs and it gives her that voyeuristic feeling that you're doing this because she turns you on so much. Then, in the morning when you wake up you'll have a better than average chance of having sex since she's now more comfortable with you and it feels like she's known you a lot longer.

[ksbms]

Every situation's different. As posted above, use your intuition and experience as your guidelines. Generally, as long as you progress with escalation, worth continuing as long as you feel it's "right". Being older, it's too tiring for me to get it through the night sleepless.

One way is to make science your friend - instead of escalating, if it doesn't progress fast enough, just go to sleep with her. Testosterone in both males and females over the course of 24 hours picks early morning (there will be diferences of course, let's assume, for the purpose of this post, between 4am-7am). Then, my friend, is the time to resume a special investigation to find out what's inbetwixt thighs of that very special lady next to you...

[Virtus]

Jerk off on her leg? ?

[MrXY]

Hours?

Kick her ass out well before that. This putting up with hours of a girl playing this game is just another form of pedestalizing the pussy and communicates that a man is needy. Girls know that a man whose phone is full of options won't put up with this sort of blue balling.

Give her a reasonable amount of time and effort ( my input is less than reasonable) and then tell her she needs to leave. This is a great way to build your Inner Game because you're putting the abundance mentality into actual practice. Try it-you'll feel much better about yourself afterwards.

But what you're doing wrong isn't mostly a failure of technique when she's alone with you. I've noticed a lot of guys complaining about LMR on the forum lately but they're not grasping what the problem is. I'll do a thread tomorrow explaining what the real mistakes are.

[Travesty]

She would have to be one the hottest girls I have ever banged to put with tons of LMR, meaning hours of push pull from the first makeout on the couch or bed to fucking.

If she isn't that high up on the list I honestly think you are better off giving a good shot for about 10-15 minutes, if she doesn't want to do more I would freeze her out and act like it is no big deal. Kick her out nicely with a, I have to wake up early tomorrow. Also if she pulls this don't contact her again for awhile like 4+ days.

I've encountered less and less LMR over my gaming days from either not caring about getting the bang or much more rarely stronging such a strong connection with a girl she isn't going to want to miss out.

I think the last time I had epic LMR was about a year and a half ago, I wanted to hate fuck that chick so bad though because she kept saying she was a big tease.

[Suits]

I go full caveman until I have her shirt and bra off and then I suck on her tits until she gets so turned on that she decides it's time to fuck.

Sure, I've put up with hours of LMR before, but I always did get the bang when I did.

When the girls are being complete bitches and putting up a wall, my caveman tactics just made them decide to leave and I got to enjoy a nice pleasant night to myself without some bitch bitching in my ear with her clothes still on.

[Noir]

My experience is that if she doesn't put out in 30-45 minutes of being in my house, then I don't bother and kick her out politely by saying I got shit in the morning. I have also invited other girls over in front of them to accelerate the process (leave or stay and fuck). Still no takers on staying, I am working on it- maybe delaying announcing the news and having another girl show up in a platonic way? I digress.

LMR usually occurs when the sexual energy is there but not guided to the point where her rationality (the one time she uses it) comes into play over emotions.

A few points of note both for environment and actions:

- incense/music/lighting is important -> let her know what's up. If she objects to this immediately, I know what to expect and can up the teasing etc.

- (if you must push) push on high points and tease, don't push as a reaction to her rejecting your advances -> freezeout instead and be completely cool about it (go make tea or a drink)

- caveman - lift her on to the bed and get on top of her

- make out with her neck and breathe on her -> build up sexual tension to the point where she is going to jump on you

- entertain yourself when you freeze out, don't be butthurt -> FRAME


Things which worked for me in the past, not universal but kind of situational:

- slammed her against my door as she was 'going to leave' made out and carried her to bed, put out immediately

- told her i was going to go and shower and left a towel and the door open for her

- whipped out my cock (i don't know about the US and their rape laws and stuff)

- rolled a joint, watched some game of thrones with lots of sex and touched her body slowly (watching something works in the sense of timelines and shit in the background)

- conveniently left porn on my computer for her to see and 'be curious' -> we just both got really turned on and fucked with it in the background after 4-5 minutes


Ideally you want to be able to find the ones who won't really LMR. The time it takes you to go from meeting spot to your apartment is time for her to convince herself otherwise. In old school terms, pump that buying temperature and harness it.

[OregonToSoCal]

(07-21-2015 10:48 AM)Noir Wrote:  

Things which worked for me in the past, not universal but kind of situational:

- slammed her against my door as she was 'going to leave' made out and carried her to bed, put out immediately

This one is golden and worked for me in the past too. It was a second date (first date we met for a walk and there was no physical escalation) we had drinks at a bar and then more back at my place. I had gotten her on my bed and she absolutely refused to take her pants off. She got up, put her shirt on and when we were at my front door we kind of looked at each other, I pushed her against the door and we started making out. I dragged her back to my room, ripped her pants off and hit it raw

[RougeNoir]

With the girl from my thread, I once tried going caveman and she yelled, "stop, what the fuck you doing, *racial slur*." One LMR I conquered was licking the pussy. If you're not into that then try kissing around the area and say, "it's just a kiss." If she lets you, keep going then try to kiss/lick the real thing gauging her reaction. If she lets you, you're in. You have to walk a fine line though.

[Vincent Chase]

(07-20-2015 05:35 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

LMR is easily my weakest aspect of game but something that recently worked for me and may be controversial is if you get the feeling she really wants to have sex but is just too nervous/scared/shy to do so, invite her to sleep over at your place. She'll initially protest but assure her you'll just sleep and you'll "do your best to behave". If she agrees make sure she's only in her bra and panties (or less) while under the covers or offer her a t shirt of yours to wear. If she's up for a little more than just sleeping continue the makeout and heavy petting and then start jerking yourself off. See if you can get her to help you or at the very least have her watch and then cum on her leg if you can. This will set a strong sexual frame that you're taking care of your needs and it gives her that voyeuristic feeling that you're doing this because she turns you on so much. Then, in the morning when you wake up you'll have a better than average chance of having sex since she's now more comfortable with you and it feels like she's known you a lot longer.

I fucked a girl exactly in this manner recently. Was watching TV with her kissing, wasn't able to escalate anywhere. Eventually thought fuck this, told her I'm tired you can sleep here if you want. Gave her a long t-shirt (which all the girls who sleep over wear, I've never washed it). She lay next to me with the t-shirt, bra and panties. Kissed her, touched her fucked her and she seemed to want it more than me. Slept covered in cum and woke up the next morning and fucked her again.

Getting girls to sleep over when you haven't fucked them can work. That's if she doesn't piss you off enough by then. I had one girl who I had about 3-4 dates with and each one ended with vigorous kissing, both naked and basically a handjob. She wouldn't give a blowjob or have sex and was clearly lining me up as a potential husband so that I "invest" (i.e. waste my time with her). I went ghost on the bitch and that was that.

It reminds me a bit of Neill Straus in the book The Game with some girl he's infatuated with and wouldn't fuck him, but despite eventually doing so he appears as the biggest beta going in that book from start to end, regardless of what he thinks.

[OregonToSoCal]

I would only be willing to do the sleep over no sex thing one time. If we wake up in the morning and she still refuses to put out I'm done. To me it seems like a low investment high potential thing considering that all of my LMR battles were late at night with me going to bed and jerking off anyway. May as well have her stay over and see what fortunes the morning brings.

[Rawmeo]

I never let a girl sleep at my place if we're both alone she doesn't put out. Period.

She knows you want it, she knows you are trying to, she knows that you will both have fun, she knows that it costs her nothing and she loses nothing, but she decides to let you hang there like a wooden doll while thinking that she gets a free place to sleep. She isn't respecting you, and you shouldn't put up with that shit.

But now, let's answer the question. If you're getting LMR, avoid taking her bra or shirt off completely. There are 2 reasons why she isn't putting out: either she isn't comfortable with you, or she isn't comfortable with herself. Leave most of her clothes on, and suck her tits with the bra still on and just tucking the boob out. It's not very convenient, but you want that bang. If, despite having all the clothes off, she still puts a wall, or she "cranes" you (putting your hand away in a crane-like fashion), go all-in.

What I usually go in that case is, I take her left hand, put it on the bed and squeeze it a bit, look at her in the eyes, and say with a slightly authoritative voice: "why are you doing this?" and stare her in the eyes until you get an answer. Don't be too authoritative, you aren't trying to force her, you are just trying to put her wall down. My experience with that is usually a shy "I don't know.." and proceed as usual. You can take an annoyed voice and say "I have no girlfriend, I don't see other girls, I don't fuck around, and yes I will see you again" while just proceeding. If she lets you do it, make her comfortable. It might be a wise idea to turn your phone audio recorder on at this point, to prevent regret rape.

If going all-in doesn't work, stand up, and firmly stay "you're going home", and put your clothes back on. Even if it's 3 a.m. She was merciless with you by wodden-dolling you, you should just do the same. Let her grab a cab.

[Suits]

(07-21-2015 03:02 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

She knows you want it, she knows you are trying to, [b]she knows that you will both have fun, she knows that it costs her nothing and she loses nothing[/b], but she decides to let you hang there like a wooden doll while thinking that she gets a free place to sleep. She isn't respecting you, and you shouldn't put up with that shit.

Word.

I honestly don't understand what is wrong with women. It's like they literally hate sex until they are actually in the throes of the actual act.

[Moma]

I am really going to try and whip out the beast next time this happens. I had a hag at my place a few weeks ago and I couldn't believe I didn't fcuk. I was trying to run the British gent thing but there is time to go caveman.

Il Bersagliere, let her see your agent of justice next time. That's when you put the shot clock on and show her that there is a countdown.

[Il Bersagliere]

(07-22-2015 08:41 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I am really going to try and whip out the beast next time this happens. I had a hag at my place a few weeks ago and I couldn't believe I didn't fcuk. I was trying to run the British gent thing but there is time to go caveman.

Il Bersagliere, let her see your agent of justice next time. That's when you put the shot clock on and show her that there is a countdown.

Thanks man. I've been hearing the "whip it out" thing lately. Gonna have to try it pretty soon. Maybe before that, put her hand there and gauge her reaction first. I can't keep pussyfooting around. I think an issue with me is that I get nervous around that time.

[Rawmeo]

For some reason, I have trouble getting a hard-on after LMR. I always think that LMR is disrespect due to the girl knowing what you want, knowing that it'll be fun, free, and danger-free, but still refusing to do it. I fuck them with a soft one, and sleep after.

[OregonToSoCal]

(07-22-2015 08:21 PM)Suits Wrote:  

I honestly don't understand what is wrong with women. It's like they literally hate sex until they are actually in the throes of the actual act.

It's sad but you just described my ex wife there. But you're right, across the board women seem to fight and resist sex with every fiber of their being and then once they're having it it's like reckless abandonment....

[OregonToSoCal]

(07-22-2015 11:29 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

For some reason, I have trouble getting a hard-on after LMR. I always think that LMR is disrespect due to the girl knowing what you want, knowing that it'll be fun, free, and danger-free, but still refusing to do it. I fuck them with a soft one, and sleep after.

The same thing happens to me. It's because her LMR is killing the momentum and quite frankly the moment. No matter how solid our resolve is the LMR in one way or another gets into our head and then on the occasions when we push through it, the pressure is ultra high since it's a do or die moment.

[Bushido]

Whipping your cock out is highly effective.

You will either bang her, get a blowjob or she leaves. Simple.

[Virtus]

Last minute resistance is not supposed to last hours literally

[Virtus]

If you follow the Mystery Method model whatever stage you're having problem with you screwed up 2 stages ago analyze that

[Rawmeo]

Put out or get out. If the girl is throwing too much LMR, and you lose the battle, kick her out. Coming to your place at night and resisting you is plain disrespect.

[Gixxy]

My perspective may be a titch off, as I haven't faced LMR in years. And years. I'm not sure if it's limited to young women, or if older women do it too, but honestly, I haven't seen it in years. I do the majority of my legwork at the first location. Make sure she is willingly relocating to the place of escalation. It's a worthy investment because it has a high yield return.

If she's back at your place, priority number 1 is to get a a drink into her hands. That's your starting point. Start talking. If you have a good picking up point from the conversation at the prior location, start there. It will foster familiarity. It will get her comfortable. Turn on music, but don't turn on the TV. It's critical to keep her focused on you. Ask open ended questions about her. Resist the urge to talk about yourself. Make her WANT to know about you. Be relatable, but not forthcoming. If you've done this correctly, you should be able to escalate into kissing with ease. Grab her around her ribs, just under the boob (your thumb should be JUST under her boob, or on the side of), and pull her in. If she gives in with that grab, she's yours. If she resists, kiss a little more and pull back.

At that point, I grab her glass and make myself and her another drink, while still talking. I pick the conversation up right where we left off. If you let it get awkward at all, you're doomed. Lather, rinse, repeat. If you're not getting anywhere by your 2nd or 3rd drink, shut it down and send her home.

You'll get savvy enough at it that it will be possible for you to, mid grab of the dick, get up, make a drink, and flip the tables so that she is the one begging to fuck you.