[Basil Ransom]

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Even for the most dedicated of ice cream lovers this sweet treat may prove a little hard to swallow.
Unbelievably a brand of ice cream cone is readily available in India which is named after Hitler.
It’s difficult to fathom what the Nazi leader may have in common with the crunchy snack, but Hitler’s name is splashed across boxes of the tasteless delicacy which is hawked across the country.

Meanwhile the cold eyes of the killer stare out at ice cream customers from the side of the packaging.
In some instances he appears in cartoon form in a Swastika-shaped top hat with a jaunty red bowtie, which is somewhat at odds with his furious expression.
Other more sombre packages depict him in full military regalia with almost photographic realism, looking very out of place next to an ice cream that's almost as big as he is.

But all the boxes of cones have the notorious moustache on display.
A lack of Holocaust education in India means that people on the sub-continent know little about the Nazi leader, and consequently Hitler-themed pubs and restaurants are not viewed with outrage.
But back in the country that struggles to shake off his murderous legacy 70 years after his death, it is a different story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...rmany.html

Hitler branding is something of a tradition in India:






In before holocaust denial...

[eradicator]

I've had Indian roommates and they insist that the swastika is just a perversion of a hindu religious symbol rotated like 45 degrees. Maybe that's why they are trying to market hitler?

[Onto]

If they know enough to know who he is, they know enough about what he did.

[turkishcandy]

Ironic, since Hitler hated and killed Indians (gypsies).

[Quintus Curtius]

Ignorant idiots doing ignorant and idiotic things.

[Darius]

(05-31-2015 12:58 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

I've had Indian roommates and they insist that the swastika is just a perversion of a hindu religious symbol rotated like 45 degrees.

The swatiska is an ancient symbol the predates the third reich by 12000 years. It has been found all over the world, not just India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

It was used a good luck symbol in the west prior to WW2. It was only after WW2 that the symbol fell out of use in the west.

[Slim Shady]

(05-31-2015 01:09 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Ironic, since Hitler hated and killed Indians (gypsies).

Hitler was an Indian ally against the British imperialists.

I think most Indians living in that era would have taken Hitler over Churchill in WWII. To be fair, the Holocaust atrocities were not known to them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose

Most poor Indian guys selling Ice Cream on the streets probably don't have much of an idea about what Hitler did. To them "Hitler" probably just means someone who behaves like a strict drill sergeant. A "Hitler" just means a very strict person.

Honestly though, what did Hitler ever do that was worse than what the British did in India? The only reason Hitler is made out to be more of a monster than the others is because of who he was fighting.

It is very strange because India has been one of the most friendly nations/cultures to the Jewish people. There has never been a time of "antisemitism" in India, even while it was going on in Europe and all over the world. In fact, many Jewish refugees even fled Germany and escaped to India.

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So in bullet form, these are the reasons for Hitler not being taken seriously in India:


- No big Jewish population in India to share Holocaust stories.

- Distant atrocity in a distant land. Most Indians might just be unaware, especially ones that did not get a proper education, for example Ice Cream vendors on the street. Most educated Americans or Europeans do not know of the atrocities committed during the Partition of India or the induced famines of Bengal and Bihar in India where millions died.

- While Jews often lived in shame or under "antisemitism" in Europe, they have always lived normally in India. Jews have been in India for a very long time [but in small numbers]. The West is driven by a deep sense of guilt and shame when it comes to Jewish suffering, but India has none of this. The Holocaust is not some sacred cow like it is in the West.

-No films and constant media portrayal of the Holocaust, like in Hollywood. There is no Indian "Schindler's List". In fact, many Indians would have been shocked when they saw that movie.

- Hitler was heavily influenced by Hindu symbols and respected the Vedic culture - atleast he is perceived to have by Indians. The Swastika is a Vedic symbol that Hitler took on because of his belief in the Indo-Aryan theory.

- The sudden rise of Germany under Hitler is something a lot of people in India admire. Perhaps they at some point hoped for a similar rise to former greatness for India.

- One of the most popular and charismatic leaders of the Indian Independence movement, "Netaji" Subhas Chandra Bose, allied himself with Hitler against the British. Knowledge of the Holocaust was absent at this time, and India just saw Germany as another power trying to fight the same evil British, and thus a natural ally.

- Trollish nature of some of these guys. To them this is just some shock marketing, like putting a cartoon movie villain on a box. "Hitler" to them has no deep meaning.

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Also, Indian people do not relate to gypsies at all.

[speakeasy]

Maybe they think it'll impress white girls.

[Cattle Rustler]

(05-31-2015 02:06 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

- Trollish nature of some of these guys. To them this is just some shock marketing, like putting a cartoon movie villain on a box. "Hitler" to them has no deep meaning.

I guess every Indian has a little "troll" sprinkled in their DNA>

[turkishcandy]

Hitler considered everyone who wasn't an Aryan ''sub-human'', even Slavs. He developed many theories that justified exterminating all the other races. Gypsies were also sent to the camps.

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Today scholars and politicians argue whether the extermination of Jews and Gypsies is historically comparable, how many Gypsies were actually murdered by the Nazis (some estimate as many as 500,000), and what kind of memorial should be erected at the Berlin Parliament in their honor.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/01...extra.html

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The Romani (also spelled Romany; /ˈroʊməni/, /ˈrɒ-/), or Roma, Hindi: रोमानी, are a traditionally itinerant ethnicity living mostly in Europe and the Americas,[25][26] and ultimately of Northern Indian (and present-day Pakistan) origin. The Romani are widely known among English-speaking people by the exonym "Gypsies" (or Gipsies). Other exonyms are Ashkali and Balkan Egyptians and Sinti.

Romani are dispersed, with their concentrated populations in Europe—especially Central and Eastern Europe and Turkey, Spain and Southern France. They originated in India and arrived in Mid-West Asia, then Europe, around 1,000 years ago,[27] either separating from the Dom people or, at least, having a similar history;[28] the ancestors of both the Romani and the Dom left North India sometime between the sixth and eleventh century.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

[TheSlayer]

(05-31-2015 02:09 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

I guess every Indian has a little "troll" sprinkled in their DNA>

Who's the real troll here though? You responded with a blatant race troll comment to Slim's post.

[TheSlayer]

(05-31-2015 02:48 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Hitler considered everyone who wasn't an Aryan ''sub-human'', even Slavs. He developed many theories that justified exterminating all the other races. Gypsies were also sent to the camps.

Quote:

Today scholars and politicians argue whether the extermination of Jews and Gypsies is historically comparable, how many Gypsies were actually murdered by the Nazis (some estimate as many as 500,000), and what kind of memorial should be erected at the Berlin Parliament in their honor.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/01...extra.html

Quote:

The Romani (also spelled Romany; /ˈroʊməni/, /ˈrɒ-/), or Roma, Hindi: रोमानी, are a traditionally itinerant ethnicity living mostly in Europe and the Americas,[25][26] and ultimately of Northern Indian (and present-day Pakistan) origin. The Romani are widely known among English-speaking people by the exonym "Gypsies" (or Gipsies). Other exonyms are Ashkali and Balkan Egyptians and Sinti.

Romani are dispersed, with their concentrated populations in Europe—especially Central and Eastern Europe and Turkey, Spain and Southern France. They originated in India and arrived in Mid-West Asia, then Europe, around 1,000 years ago,[27] either separating from the Dom people or, at least, having a similar history;[28] the ancestors of both the Romani and the Dom left North India sometime between the sixth and eleventh century.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

Gypsies originated in "India" when it wasn't even India and left a 1000 years ago. Yeah, don't be surprised when Indians don't consider Gypsies to be "Indian" or even know about them.

Saying that it's ironic that some uneducated idiot in India is trying to market Hitler because he killed Gypsies is pretty silly.

[Cattle Rustler]

(05-31-2015 02:49 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 02:09 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

I guess every Indian has a little "troll" sprinkled in their DNA>

Who's the real troll here though? You responded with a blatant race troll comment to Slim's post.

I keep it cool with the Indian crew on RVF and in real life. They'll make comments about Mexicans and I don't get defensive, unlike others.

[TheSlayer]

(05-31-2015 02:54 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

I keep it cool with the Indian crew on RVF and in real life.

Cool, but irrelevant. You made a blatant race-trolling comment. I am not upset but that's a genuine observation.

[turkishcandy]

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Gypsies originated in "India" when it wasn't even India and left a 1000 years ago. Yeah, don't be surprised when Indians don't consider Gypsies to be "Indian" or even know about them.

Saying that it's ironic that some uneducated idiot in India is trying to market Hitler because he killed Gypsies is pretty silly.

I appreciate the difference. But in the end they were killed for the color of their skins. To ''purify'' Europe. Now is it not ironic, even if this is an isolated incident of a few idiots in India, that these idiots are idealizing the man who wanted to kill every brown skinned person in Europe and then ultimately in the world? Do you think Hitler would have left Indians in peace if he had conquered the world? He killed hundreds of thousands of blue eyed blonde haired Slavs just for minor racial differences. It's naive to think Hitler didn't have anything against Indians.

[Cattle Rustler]

(05-31-2015 02:56 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 02:54 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

I keep it cool with the Indian crew on RVF and in real life.

Cool, but irrelevant. You made a blatant race-trolling comment. I am not upset but that's a genuine observation.

You aren't upset but made the same accusation two times in a row.

Please explain that.


Honestly, you're coming off as a troll. Let it go.

[Surreyman]

Some other flavours:

[TheSlayer]

(05-31-2015 03:01 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Honestly, you're coming off as a troll. Let it go.

You're the one trolling this thread, I called you out and you think I am coming off as a troll?

Honestly, you are better than that. Just own up to it and let it go.

[Basil Ransom]

I like to think that the RVF is the world's foremost authority in documenting IRTs in action.

[TheSlayer]

(05-31-2015 03:01 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Quote:

Gypsies originated in "India" when it wasn't even India and left a 1000 years ago. Yeah, don't be surprised when Indians don't consider Gypsies to be "Indian" or even know about them.

Saying that it's ironic that some uneducated idiot in India is trying to market Hitler because he killed Gypsies is pretty silly.

I appreciate the difference. But in the end they were killed for the color of their skins. To ''purify'' Europe. Now is it not ironic, even if this is an isolated insidence of a few idiots in India, that these idiots are idealizing the man who wanted to kill every brown skinned person in Europe and then ultimately in the world? Do you think Hitler would have left Indians in peace if he had conquered the world? He killed hundreds of thousands of blue eyed blonde haired Slavs just for minor racial differences. It's naive to think Hitler didn't have anything against Indians.

Huh? That has nothing to do with what my point was.

I am sure if Hitler could get his hand on Indians or any other race that he didn't see as "pure" he surely would have killed them. I am pointing out the error in your logic of saying Gypsies originated from "India" a 1000 years ago so it's ironic that the idiot being talked about here is marketing Hitler or that Hitler killed Indians when Indians is not = Gypsies.

[LeeEnfield303]

(05-31-2015 03:06 PM)Surreyman Wrote:  

Some other flavours:

"Way to go, Focker!!!"

[RexImperator]

"For Industrial Use Only"

[Sherman]

There is also an interesting Indian movie that was made in 2011 "Gandhi to Hitler" also called "My Dear Friend Hitler" based on a real letter that Gandhi wrote to Hitler. It is the Bollywood version of "Downfall". The theme is that both India and Germany were under the oppression of the British Empire with Hitler choosing violence and Gandhi choosing peace to fight the oppressor. In the letter Gandhi tries to convince Hitler that non violence can work. It's not a bad movie and the Indian actor that plays a Hindi speaking Hitler does a good job.

Here is the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x44iZxlEgeE


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dear_Friend_Hitler

[Kabuli]

(05-31-2015 02:06 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 01:09 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Ironic, since Hitler hated and killed Indians (gypsies).

Hitler was an Indian ally against the British imperialists.

I think most Indians living in that era would have taken Hitler over Churchill in WWII. To be fair, the Holocaust atrocities were not known to them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose

Most poor Indian guys selling Ice Cream on the streets probably don't have much of an idea about what Hitler did. To them "Hitler" probably just means someone who behaves like a strict drill sergeant. A "Hitler" just means a very strict person.

Honestly though, what did Hitler ever do that was worse than what the British did in India? The only reason Hitler is made out to be more of a monster than the others is because of who he was fighting.

It is very strange because India has been one of the most friendly nations/cultures to the Jewish people. There has never been a time of "antisemitism" in India, even while it was going on in Europe and all over the world. In fact, many Jewish refugees even fled Germany and escaped to India.

-------------------------

So in bullet form, these are the reasons for Hitler not being taken seriously in India:


- No big Jewish population in India to share Holocaust stories.

- Distant atrocity in a distant land. Most Indians might just be unaware, especially ones that did not get a proper education, for example Ice Cream vendors on the street. Most educated Americans or Europeans do not know of the atrocities committed during the Partition of India or the induced famines of Bengal and Bihar in India where millions died.

- While Jews often lived in shame or under "antisemitism" in Europe, they have always lived normally in India. Jews have been in India for a very long time [but in small numbers]. The West is driven by a deep sense of guilt and shame when it comes to Jewish suffering, but India has none of this. The Holocaust is not some sacred cow like it is in the West.

-No films and constant media portrayal of the Holocaust, like in Hollywood. There is no Indian "Schindler's List". In fact, many Indians would have been shocked when they saw that movie.

- Hitler was heavily influenced by Hindu symbols and respected the Vedic culture - atleast he is perceived to have by Indians. The Swastika is a Vedic symbol that Hitler took on because of his belief in the Indo-Aryan theory.

- The sudden rise of Germany under Hitler is something a lot of people in India admire. Perhaps they at some point hoped for a similar rise to former greatness for India.

- One of the most popular and charismatic leaders of the Indian Independence movement, "Netaji" Subhas Chandra Bose, allied himself with Hitler against the British. Knowledge of the Holocaust was absent at this time, and India just saw Germany as another power trying to fight the same evil British, and thus a natural ally.

- Trollish nature of some of these guys. To them this is just some shock marketing, like putting a cartoon movie villain on a box. "Hitler" to them has no deep meaning.

-----------------------------

Also, Indian people do not relate to gypsies at all.

Unlike other Indians on RVF who were born and live in the west and who have visited the mainland once or twice in their lifetime, it seems that you have spent a considerable time in India. It shows in your posts that you have thorough understanding of Indian culture and its history. Do you mind telling something about your time spent in India?

[Cobra]

Slim Shady's post describes the Indian mindset regarding Hitler and the usage of the term pretty accurately.

I don't think holocaust atrocities are known to many people outside of the western sphere. So this is not surprising.

When I was growing up in India, I learned of British atrocities and even internal Indian civil atrocities the most. With my feeble mind, I was pretty pissed off at that. That shouldn't be surprising. When swastikas were used during those days it was for religious holidays and symbolized peace and festivities more than anything else. When I came over to the states and got "educated" on Nazi atrocities, I found it hard to comprehend why the fuck a swastika was involved.

On top of that, if it wasn't for Schindler's List and some school curriculums covering the Nazi events heavily, we in the west would have been ignorant all the same.

I'm not sure that we all of a sudden are holier than thou because we got fed a different proportion of the truth (or had the opportunity) than ice cream guys in India. They're just trying to feed their families and make a living. Not trolling white girls like yours truly.

I know we want the IRT back. He was a once in a lifetime phenomenon and endearing to us all. His spirit somehow lives on in the forum in threads like this that scream for his return. But searching for him within the ice cream vendor population in India won't bring him back.

If all Indians were like Slim Shady and I, the white girls would have been gone from the market and there wouldn't be any IRTs. We're the real threat. Alas.