Quote: (05-16-2015 05:51 AM)mikado Wrote:
Zelcorpion:
I have a question . (not trolling, just real question)
What do you think of highly skilled immigrants (minimum of master 2 in Europe, or masters degree in Anglosphere, in a somewhat skilled field -not psychology or women studies, but computer science, engineering, aviation, finance etc)?
Do you think they should be allowed to have a professionnal experience, and after like 5-10 years of working, deserve citizenship?
I ask this because there are lot of rants towards immigrants on this forum, but most examples (including unemployment) that are picked are those of immigrants with low-skill jobs, or BS degrees.
Look - I am not ranting. I am not accusing immigrants. And as I stated in my last post - there is even evidence as professed by the Head of the Bank of England, that immigration creates wage pressure even in better positions. I just wrote about that.
Your question about a person deserving the citizenship after having worked and contributed to a country - yes, of course. But the entire system is broken.
Let's say if I were suddenly in charge, then all of that immigration would be moot, since I would create interest free money via social credit and demurrage. Plus real estate credit based on the purchasing power of the individual would be interest free. Since you would at the same time issue money as well as partake in the common wealth of your country, then everyone would have a minimum degree of money.
And those things were done in the past (Woergl 1930s, Canad until 1970s partly, various local interest free currencies like WIR or interest free real estate credit like with the Swedish JAK Bank).
I would also enact strong tariffs and let every country create everything that it potentially can within the country. Similar to China or Japan you have high tariffs on anything that you can produce yourself (cars, electronics) or want to protect in your contry (rice, agriculture etc.).
So in reality people would stop leaving their countries and become prosperous and happy at home. The few that would leave for various reasons would not even make a dent. If living standards became similar you could even open all borders over time - most people would not leave anyway.
So yeah - make it as you will of my opinion. The EU is destined to become inhabited by a majority of non-Europeans within the next 40-50 years and the US is going to become mostly Latin. I don't buy the crap that whites will die out. The whites in South America did not die out at all - the top of each country is whiter than Europeans in many instances. So I don't fear anything Stormfront related.
And all countries will be easier to rule being divided, "diverse" and plenty of other negatives that will become apparent only later on. Neither of us is going to change that Mikado.
I just don't defend crappy changes and claim that it is all garden and roses - that this "ensures" social security, balances the low population growth or that most immigrants contribute and integrate. No chance - our current economic system and cycle cannot possibly support that unless you want to end in Dickensian-like circumstances. South American rich living behind barbed wires and machine gun turrets on one side and favelas and the majority of the working poor on the other side - currently that is already developing in the West with social security recipients not having worked for 2 generations (Sweden, UK, Germany, partly US). You heard that - you have some families and single mothers who became jobless somewhere in the 1980s and their children are jobless too and haven't worked a day in their life in their 20s.
Most of us here are not hating on immigrants - neither low-skilled nor high-skilled.