[ordinaryleastsquared]

(03-05-2015 04:26 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 03:22 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 03:07 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Tuning out your broad is how Bob from Accounting ends up fucking her in the back of the Suburban.

With my ex-wife, I did the opposite... I never tuned her out. Whenever she opened her mouth, I dropped everything to listen with 110% undivided attention. Look what that got me.

*sigh* you just can't win...

Regards,
Up-and-Coming Plate Spinner

Fine line between tuning out and being there 24/7.

First step is finding a woman who doesn't yap that much, you tend to have more serious convos I've noticed.

My main doesn't gossip or blab much at all, she calls me in the mornings, I'll call her afternoons.

Second step is to keep that fire burning, talking about things of substance. I know I want to to my main via text or phone unless it's something legit.

We do send funny snapchats though, but not the entire day. She understand I'm busy and I'm not on my phone most of the time.

It's always good to be self aware of the communication between both parties, never let it get mundane or repetitive.

Another good reason to avoid moving in at all costs. Obviously there are couples that do this, but: living together, getting home from work, and trying to be novel and exciting.. day after day? This is a perfect recipe for falling into a patter of eating dinner, watching network TV, and falling to sleep mutually unfullfilled.

How to avoid a mundane, repetitive lifestyle in this circumstance? Plan a wedding, have a child, or always advance mutually interesting activities, adventures, and travels. The former is more common than the latter.

[reco2100]

There is a very careful balance between too alpha and too beta. Roissy just had a post on this recently. Remember women have two brains and both need to be stimulated. Take it from someone married 22 years and pulled mine out of the abyss by myself with no help from any professionals or even any knowledge of my wife's.

It can be done but there is some essential ingredients.

1. You need a good knowledge of game. And how to apply it in small doses.
2. You need a woman who is not fucking crazy. That eliminates most women. Mine has a pretty decent upbringing.
3. You both have to be willing.
4.you need to be able to create positive tension in the relationship.

This last one is what kills most LTRs the man checks out, he did his work winning her and now he can sit back and relax. Wrong this will not work. This removes tension and women need tension to stay committed to you and to even want to fuck you. Think about it. What gets a woman wet when you are gaming her?

Sitting there talking about what you did at work or some other boring conversation. Or teasing her, touching her, escalating, push pull, letting her see how attractive you are to other women, etc. you see? Same thing in a marriage this creates tension. You just have it to her in small doses and sporadically. If you do not give her this tension she will create negative tension, such as nagging, not taking care of herself, not working, going out with her friends, refusing sex, and even fucking around.

Thing is only the man can do this the woman is not even aware of it. Good OP puts a lot of the marriage equation in perspective.

[godofwar]

i'm young at 26, but from what I can tell a good relationship has 2 things going for it.

1. picked the right girl. (volumes can be written on this. my 1st was too crazy, the 2nd talked too much, etc)

2. walked the line (whatever you want to call it, there is a balance of energy that has to occur in a relationship. can't even stay in the middle though, have to sporadically and randomly change it up. lovey dovey and don't give a fuck.)

[Travesty]

^^ Yes to not talking about yourself. This is also why I really don't like the idea of LTRs.

Example I went on a date from a parking lot approach.

We were physically attracted to each other, smart girl, we started having intellectual conversation. We get back to my place I am so into the conversation that we watch an intellectual debate video. I escalate at the end with a makeout, walk her to her car.

I thought by our mental connection she be wanting an LTR. I go through enough girls to know how rare all these things were we had in common.

Well she flaked on me after that never saw her again.
I knownin my gut if I shut the fuck up, escalated more earlier, played drinking games, pushed for shots etc...
probably would have banged and still been banging her.

This to me is a hard pill to take. Talking 50/50 with strong commonalities and obvious attraction still does not come close to party, good times, caveman, nod listen and tease, act like she is 1 of 5 girls you see, never make her think she is too unique.

I don't respect women much. The clown suit is a sad thing.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(03-06-2015 02:28 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^^ Yes to not talking about yourself. This is also why I really don't like the idea of LTRs.

Example I went on a date from a parking lot approach.

We were physically attracted to each other, smart girl, we started having intellectual conversation. We get back to my place I am so into the conversation that we watch an intellectual debate video. I escalate at the end with a makeout, walk her to her car.

I thought by our mental connection she be wanting an LTR. I go through enough girls to know how rare all these things were we had in common.

Well she flaked on me after that never saw her again.
I knownin my gut if I shut the fuck up, escalated more earlier, played drinking games, pushed for shots etc...
probably would have banged and still been banging her.

This to me is a hard pill to take. Talking 50/50 with strong commonalities and obvious attraction still does not come close to party, good times, caveman, nod listen and tease, act like she is 1 of 5 girls you see, never make her think she is too unique.

I don't respect women much. The clown suit is a sad thing.

You nailed one of the major contributors to this problem, one that in my opinion dwarfs the overall bitchiness and lack of quality among women. Women that seem like "quality women" who don't nag and whom you can spend a good time with are most likely not attracted to normal guys with their shit together; they prefer tons of game, whether it's caveman or some other type of game. This makes them worthless, not because you would be unable to act that way to her and keep her attracted, but because it's exhausting and unprofitable in the long run.

No matter how high-quality the woman is, if she is addicted to game any LTR will automatically become an arms' race and will be wrecked when you slip up with your game or someone with more fame / game / money / whatever appears.

[Travesty]

Yeah I don't get guys saying just keep acting that way it will become you and it won't be an act.

Do I want to be that guy? No he's a fucking idiot. I would never want to hang out with a guy that acted like that all the time why would I want to become that.

Women love douchebags and idiots, I've known this since 5th grade without any outside influence. It's just now the information is out there on how to precisely act like one step by step.

[AneroidOcean]

Both of you guys, I have to respectfully disagree. Tell me to fuck off that's cool I still think you guys are on point with a whole lot here on the forum but the below I take issue with:

(03-06-2015 03:53 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Women that seem like "quality women" who don't nag and whom you can spend a good time with are most likely not attracted to normal guys with their shit together; they prefer tons of game, whether it's caveman or some other type of game. This makes them worthless, not because you would be unable to act that way to her and keep her attracted, but because it's exhausting and unprofitable in the long run.

A quality woman who has their shit together will not require tons of caveman/asshole/whatever game. She will still require teasing and other aspects of the game, but she won't require over the top crap. You just can't assume you're in automatically. It's not exhausting to tease girls, it's FUN!

(03-06-2015 02:28 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

This to me is a hard pill to take. Talking 50/50 with strong commonalities and obvious attraction still does not come close to party, good times, caveman, nod listen and tease, act like she is 1 of 5 girls you see, never make her think she is too unique.

Commonalities will not necessarily attract the girl and get you laid/in a LTR. The thing that sticks out in your text above is "obvious attraction" and we all know that if your attraction to her is too obvious you're automatically qualifying to her with your frame and her attraction will wane. it's not that you have to act like a clown, it's just that you can't go on auto-pilot.

[bpryce]

Believe it or not there are a lot people in happy fulfilling relationships out there.

[reco2100]

(03-06-2015 03:34 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

Both of you guys, I have to respectfully disagree. Tell me to fuck off that's cool I still think you guys are on point with a whole lot here on the forum but the below I take issue with:

(03-06-2015 03:53 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Women that seem like "quality women" who don't nag and whom you can spend a good time with are most likely not attracted to normal guys with their shit together; they prefer tons of game, whether it's caveman or some other type of game. This makes them worthless, not because you would be unable to act that way to her and keep her attracted, but because it's exhausting and unprofitable in the long run.

A quality woman who has their shit together will not require tons of caveman/asshole/whatever game. She will still require teasing and other aspects of the game, but she won't require over the top crap. You just can't assume you're in automatically. It's not exhausting to tease girls, it's FUN!

(03-06-2015 02:28 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

This to me is a hard pill to take. Talking 50/50 with strong commonalities and obvious attraction still does not come close to party, good times, caveman, nod listen and tease, act like she is 1 of 5 girls you see, never make her think she is too unique.

Commonalities will not necessarily attract the girl and get you laid/in a LTR. The thing that sticks out in your text above is "obvious attraction" and we all know that if your attraction to her is too obvious you're automatically qualifying to her with your frame and her attraction will wane. it's not that you have to act like a clown, it's just that you can't go on auto-pilot.

I tend to agree with this last point. You are having a good rapport with the chick and she is into the same things you are. Intellectually you are in sync. Problem is this takes all of the tension out of the interaction. She is comparing you to some douche-bag that is gaming her at the same time yesterday or the next day and she is getting her tension from him. He escalates and gets the bang.

Pickup is not my field of expertise and some of you guys have made a real lifestyle out of it. But with women you have to be on all the time. You are only as good as what you can give them. Either emotionally or financially. That is right from Rollo.

[reco2100]

(03-06-2015 03:41 PM)bpryce Wrote:  

Believe it or not there are a lot people in happy fulfilling relationships out there.

Very general statement. This can be interpreted many ways. If you say there are happy marriages out there, yes. If you say that the majority of marriages in the US today are happy. Absolutely not. The rate of divorce is over 50% the rate of infidelity is 80% and if you look at it anecdotaly I can hardly ever find a marriage where the two people are happy.

I can find plenty where they are tolerating it. Or getting by. But happy. Hardly.

[forever_beta]

(03-06-2015 03:34 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

A quality woman who has their shit together will not require tons of caveman/asshole/whatever game.

Agree. There are beautiful women who are educated, intelligent, and also emotionally mature. The thing is you need to have your shit together in more than just game for them to take LTR interest in you. If you have to act like a clown all the time the girl is not worth keeping long term.

To maintain, you don't need to think of routines, use negs, and scripts and PUA crap. You just need to be not boring and fun. Both partners have to not be lazy and put in effort. Game helps because it teaches you how women operate and how to manage them. Most men (including myself) come into it absolutely clueless.

[reppin]

At this point in my life, I just don't think they are worth it.

[General Mayhem]

(03-06-2015 03:34 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

Both of you guys, I have to respectfully disagree. Tell me to fuck off that's cool I still think you guys are on point with a whole lot here on the forum but the below I take issue with:

(03-06-2015 03:53 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Women that seem like "quality women" who don't nag and whom you can spend a good time with are most likely not attracted to normal guys with their shit together; they prefer tons of game, whether it's caveman or some other type of game. This makes them worthless, not because you would be unable to act that way to her and keep her attracted, but because it's exhausting and unprofitable in the long run.

A quality woman who has their shit together will not require tons of caveman/asshole/whatever game. She will still require teasing and other aspects of the game, but she won't require over the top crap. You just can't assume you're in automatically. It's not exhausting to tease girls, it's FUN!

(03-06-2015 02:28 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

This to me is a hard pill to take. Talking 50/50 with strong commonalities and obvious attraction still does not come close to party, good times, caveman, nod listen and tease, act like she is 1 of 5 girls you see, never make her think she is too unique.

Commonalities will not necessarily attract the girl and get you laid/in a LTR. The thing that sticks out in your text above is "obvious attraction" and we all know that if your attraction to her is too obvious you're automatically qualifying to her with your frame and her attraction will wane. it's not that you have to act like a clown, it's just that you can't go on auto-pilot.

This has been true in my experience. I hardly ever think about gaming my girl but I tease the hell out of her. She is always a little bit clumsy and it is an easy thing to make fun of her for. Why wouldn't I? It just comes natural.

In a good LTR you shouldn't have to sit around and think about ways to tease her and spit game. Women do retarded shit all the time. They make it too easy for us to tease them. It takes hardly any effort at all.

As far as commonalities go I have always been a big fan of the opposites attract mantra. I think you need to have similar values to have a good relationship, but the superficial shit doesn't matter. My girl is a technical thinker who does well with math but can't spell to save her life. I am terrible at math but am pretty good with words. I make my money writing and she makes hers in IT. In the end it balances out pretty well and keeps us from talking about work.

Values are way more important. My girl believes in gender roles and I think that is why it works so well between us. She expects me to be a man and I expect her to be a woman. It's like perfect harmony.

There was another girl I was banging around the same time I met my current girl. We clicked on an intellectual level. She was one of the few people who really understood creativity the way I do, but we had completely different values so it never went beyond fucking.

She was exactly like Travesty's example. I thought she was the shit because could talk for hours on end but we were incompatible from a relationship standpoint.

Moral of the story, never pursue a relationship with a girl who doesn't share your values.

Game can get you laid but it will never be a fix for incompatibility.

[Downtown]

I may make an entire thread on this because it is going to be a case study. I'm about to cohabit yet again.

I'm 39. I've been married and divorced (two kids), had a LTR that produced a kid, and am currently dating a 26 year old (for a year now).

I approached this new 26 year old with a no compromise approach.

The entire time she has known I fuck other women. She has not had one date with another man since we met.

I will not waiver on this.

I also will not waiver on the following: at no time will my autonomy be challenged in any capacity.

Current GF cooks, cleans, shops, takes care of me and the house and is a fantastic maternal influence on my three kids. Sex on demand in any form I desire.

I am going to move her in this summer.

In exchange for room and board plus some expenses - she will take care of my youngest kid half of the time (saving me on child care). And with her other time she is to have a part time job in order to save money to pay for a school she wants to attend.

She and I are signing a contract that lays out all the expectations for both us. Of course, there are no expectations of me other than providing her with room and board and carrying on with the same relationship we've had. The contract has an expiration of one year.

She and I have developed a deep Dom/sub relationship and this will be in the contract as well.

She knows I will not ever marry her or give her a baby.

I'm going to save $1000 a month on nanny expenses, I'm going to have a full time live in maid and housekeeper, and a hot 26 year old to bang whenever I please - all with zero constraints on my behavior. We've even discussed the logistics of what will happen when I bring home another woman. And I've already brought other women back for the two of us to fuck.

In return she gets my love and support, room and board, and a chance to save money to follow her dreams.

I've been through the wringer on divorce, child support and the rest, and know that in order for me to be happy I can not and will not ever waiver on my basic demands.

The take it or leave it approach here seems to have been effective.

I saw several points at which I could have acquiesced to her squirms or considerations but I've held frame this entire time and now it is just the way it is.

I would not even consider doing this unless she met some basic criteria:

she was red pill before I even met her.
she understands the dual mating strategies and SMP instinctively
she is actually able to self reflect
she believes in traditional gender roles
she is submissive and pleasant
she is warm and considerate
she can cook (really well) and clean (even better)
she knows that her value to me is her service to me and my family

I've banged 100+ chicks in the few years i've not been married or tied down. I've played the field and know whats out there. I also know, and this is key, that my sexual tastes have become so specific that novel sex no longer is better. It takes months to break a chick in the way I like them. I've experienced a declining benefit to each new notch.

All of this is to say, I feel like I'm entering into this relationship with my eye's wide open, with great forethought and preparation, and without conceding one inch on any of my demands.

I think this is about as ideal of a set up as I could imagine. I'm open to feedback.

[Travesty]

^

What was your strategy to bang 100+ chicks in a few years? What was the average quality and age of these chicks?

How did you find the time with 3 kids and presumable a very high paying job to afford 3 kids, divorce, child support etc...

What was your strategy to bring back other chicks and have threesomes? In my experience the woman usually convinces acquaintances and friends to bring back rather than the man.

Did you take this chick with you to a lawyer or just bring her the contract and make her sign?

This is reading a little high on the bullshit meter without more info.

[Downtown]

1) My periods of sexual "Freedom" were from 15-19, 22-23, 33-34, and 37+. I've been down with game since 2009 or so. Online, cold approach on the street, social circle, whatever it takes. Best important piece of advice game-wise is be the best man you can be. In my 30's and beyond, the average age of girls I've dated is 23-26. Anything into 27-32 range and not only do they begin to look old, but they dont want to mess with me. I get player-zoned by them. Its the young ones lacking bioclock sounds that are willing to 'waste' time with me. For a while I'd bang 6's and 7's only until I got my feet under me and now 7's and 8's are the norm, with the odd 9 here and there. I've tried to bang 5's and 6's in the last two years but my dick won't respond anymore. My logistics are ideal (aside from the 50/50 dad thing). Good apartment in the best part of town, easy bounces to my place, several local establishments "on lock down" (which as an aside is beginning to back fire on me. When the GM, servers and bartenders all shake your hand and hug you when you come in, chicks get the (correct) notion that you've done this before. Yes many many times before.

2) I think you answered your own question there, yes I have a nice income, but I also designed my life to be one with freedom built in. I work from home, I have independent businesses and a two jobs. But they are designed to give me maximum lifestyle efficiency. While I can't go location independent, I certainly have used "lifestyle" engineering to the fullest.

3) strategy for threesomes: only date girls who are bi or bi curious. Then find other chicks online or out there, tell them I want to do a test run with them and if it works out, I'll bring you home to my gf. My GF has also brought her own friend over to get some D. When you only date women who are Bi curious or out right bi, when they find out you have other girls you fuck who are the same, they always get interested. I'm not saying this has happened a million times but three or four I can remember in the last year.

4) Contract is being developed as we speak. No lawyers involved. I hardly know if it will be "binding" legally, the point is to codify expectations clearly so that time doesnt twist recollections as it often does. The first kinds of contracts we looked at were master/slave contracts and we've changed some of the wording around and added some clauses.

(03-12-2015 10:09 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^

What was your strategy to bang 100+ chicks in a few years? What was the average quality and age of these chicks?

How did you find the time with 3 kids and presumable a very high paying job to afford 3 kids, divorce, child support etc...

What was your strategy to bring back other chicks and have threesomes? In my experience the woman usually convinces acquaintances and friends to bring back rather than the man.

Did you take this chick with you to a lawyer or just bring her the contract and make her sign?

This is reading a little high on the bullshit meter without more info.

[Travesty]

^ Interesting stuff.

Especially the lifestyle to maintain all this.

If you are feeling generous please start a thread that at least vaguely outlines the steps you took to achieve this lifestyle. I have not met any men with 3 kids pulling off what you are doing, it is pretty inspiring.

[CleanSlate]

I smell a Living Together Contract Datasheet coming together within a few years.

[Downtown]

(03-12-2015 10:37 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^ Interesting stuff.

Especially the lifestyle to maintain all this.

If you are feeling generous please start a thread that at least vaguely outlines the steps you took to achieve this lifestyle. I have not met any men with 3 kids pulling off what you are doing, it is pretty inspiring.

I've thought about it, but I'm not sure I'm insightful enough to pull out things which could be universally applied. I'll think about it.

One thing that comes to mind, however, is adhering to the following principal at all times: build things that don't depend on your time to run well. Design yourself out of the process but retain control.

To be totally honest I got the idea from tim ferris back when 4 hour work week came out. He had some list like, eliminate, reduce, delegate, automate or something like that. I applied that to my management style of organizations and projects.

The results years later from adopting this philosophy have now spread throughout my life for 7 or 8 years.

Anyway, I'll put some thought to it.