[jimukr104]

(12-25-2014 11:42 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 05:29 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

But car thefts, shop lifting,extortion and prostitution is mostly by whites. But my area is heavily FSU (Russians) and these are rackets they are involved in. Car theft in my area is number 1 in NYC some years. They steal cars and ship them to Poland I heard lol.

That's funny. I lived in Sheepshead Bay for a while and I remember there were FBI stings of Russian medical offices. Apparently, FSU-trained doctors are heavily involved in health care fraud. It's the #1 racket among Russians in Brooklyn

Yep they all scam it seems. Mostly medicare stuff. They bill for services that aren't needed or not done. Most are American trained though lol. Car insurance frayud is big too.

Once got in a car accident with my friend driving. The tow truck(italians) took us to a lawyer(Jewish--FSU ancestry probably) who refered us to a doctor(Russian) to get checked out.

She asks my friend if he is hearing things. My friend says no. She then put s a head phone into his ear and asks again ..LOL.

Did the knee jerk test to me where she went down hard with the hammer and asked if i felt pain.

[jimukr104]

(12-25-2014 03:45 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  

As much as I've learned about police regulations from the cops I work with, I admit that I've never asked this question or thought to bring it up. I don't know if that cop is liable in the sense that a doctor would be in a malpractice case for knowing that he was considered unfit for duty, but was hired elsewhere by using a loophole. I'd hope he would be. Would you want paramedics on call that lose their head at the sight of blood or having studied their materials since their graduating exam?

He isn't liable and in fact the above example isn't reality. Reality is one dept can disqualify someone and another dept accept someone. Qualifiers are different. It is also subjective. I had bosses who hated my gut and said negative shit about me and I had bosses that said the opposite.

If one Accounting firm tells an accountant he is un qualified does that mean the guy can't seek employment in another firm? Of course not.

It even goes further.. you hear about cops/fire on disability from NYC who get police jobs in florida all the time in the media. Media is trying to spin it since they REALLY know how it works.

Completely legal. NYPD medical board has their own standards of what it means to be fit or unfit. Orlando florida often finds out un fit cops are FIT. So you have guys who were forced out for being unfit on pensions that get second police jobs and will get 2 pensions one day.

I knew A guy that triple dipped. Last I heard he retired as the chief of police of Cape Cod. He got out on disability early in his career in NYPD then went to another dept , did his time got his second pension and went on to get hired as a Chief..earning a third pension. His monthly pensions combined probably = over 200k per year lol.

But completely legal and fair. He earned his pensions, did the time/service and decided to continue to work. Other depts wanted him. Remember like i once said..the dept boards often get rid of cops they don't like by putting them on disability. I know bosses that tried to pysch cops out because the cop talked back to him.

In other words because of ego, some sane cop is going to get a disability pension. Other dept's know this BS goes on and will hire the cop if a REAL shrink and tests confer that he is mentally stable.

In my experience if a cop is truly un fit due to being drunk then he is RESPONSIBLE since cops have to be fit for duty.

Dept can be liable if it does a rush background check and fucks up. NYPD before the crash couldn't get recruits. 2003-2009 there was a shortage of qualified people to tale LEO jobs so they lowered standards. They also rushed hiring people before the background check is complete. They ended up having a wave of criminal cops..many probably still on the job. They even arrested 2 guys while in the academy for being Blood and Crip gang members.

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amir Rice wasn't controversial? The officer WASN'T INDICTED. By your definition Eric Garner's case was "cut and dry" as well. Clear use of excessive force.

Glad this guy got banned. Doesn't understand what justice is. Grand jury being bought the case means justice was done. There decision and right to make one means justice was done. Anything else is a witch hunt. Basically it is protesting because they don't LIKE the decision of the jury..well bo hoo.

And it wasn't excessive force( how many times we have to repeat this). There is no lower level of force lower than putting your hands on a perp to get him cuffed.
Excessive would be is weapons were used or they were kicking him on the ground etc. If you ask someone NICELY to put their hands behind their backs and they refuse obviously you then have to go and use your hands to get it done.

WE ARE ALL ADULTS here ,doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. In the video Eric was still resisting and preventing the cops from cuffing him as he lay on the ground. Cops were having trouble..that means they WERN'T USING ENOUGH FORCE to get the job done. If we are going to use terms and vernacular we don't understand then lets go with REALITY on the ground. As for the dept training cops with better king fu, etc to get the job done, well that is a different story all together.

If society really thinks that most criminals will comply to verbal commands then they wouldn't need armed cops in the 1 st place!

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like that idea of blu flu. In fact, if I were in charge, I'd drop subtle hints into the media that an unusually large number of cops were coming down with something and it was highly likely that there'd be a large number off work over the next week. Fuck it, give all the rioters the *wink wink* to go ahead and loot all of the white SJW suburbs and see how quickly everyone changes their tune about justice.

I love the idea myself but this is where you see the hypocrites they are. In a rich white suburb the cops generally have an easy job. Very low risk.

But be assured that the tax payers there think their police is the best thing since white on rice. After all they spend days rescuing cats from trees and keeping the bad element out, and sometimes even helping to carry groceries(it is true I know Suffolk county cops that do that). The residents will have a very well paid police force to go to town on anyone who comes into their residential areas and the residents will support them. This won't be NYC where the mayor is selling out his troops.

[kbell]

http://www.canewse.com/2014/12/crowd-pro...ign=buffer

Protesters shut down a highway for a while. Notice the language white officer, and a of course the old picture of him to make him look innocent and stir up racial tensions. They are also saying he had a cell phone on him now. It doesn't look like he is holding a gun up so this could be more complicated. I'm not sure if he is being shot in this gif though. He may have a gun in his right hand though.

[TonySandos]

Moving toward the cops, raising arms, aggressive body language and witnesses feeling as if danger is present. Logical conclusion makes it apparent and all that's lacking is the smoking gun itself.

[Ironsun]

(12-25-2014 12:58 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Completely legal. NYPD medical board has their own standards of what it means to be fit or unfit. Orlando florida often finds out un fit cops are FIT. So you have guys who were forced out for being unfit on pensions that get second police jobs and will get 2 pensions one day.

I knew A guy that triple dipped. Last I heard he retired as the chief of police of Cape Cod. He got out on disability early in his career in NYPD then went to another dept , did his time got his second pension and went on to get hired as a Chief..earning a third pension. His monthly pensions combined probably = over 200k per year lol.

But completely legal and fair. He earned his pensions, did the time/service and decided to continue to work. Other depts wanted him. Remember like i once said..the dept boards often get rid of cops they don't like by putting them on disability. I know bosses that tried to pysch cops out because the cop talked back to him.

So should the average Joe be allowed to get a separate social security retirement check for every job he 'did the time/service for'? The answer is no because it is not fair and would bankrupt the system. Spiking, double or triple dipping is stealing. It may be working the system, but it is stealing none the less.

(12-25-2014 12:58 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Glad this guy got banned. Doesn't understand what justice is. Grand jury being bought the case means justice was done. There decision and right to make one means justice was done. Anything else is a witch hunt. Basically it is protesting because they don't LIKE the decision of the jury..well bo hoo.

Justice: the process or result of using laws to fairly judge and punish crimes and criminals

: a judge in a court of law

Grand Jury: is a legal body that is empowered to conduct official proceedings to investigate potential criminal conduct and to determine whether criminal charges should be brought. A grand jury may compel the production of documents and may compel the sworn testimony of witnesses to appear before it. A grand jury is separate from the courts, which do not preside over its functioning.

A grand jury is not justice. It is used by prosecutors, one side of the criminal justice system and justice requires both sides to present facts to be fairly judged, to help determine if a crime may have been committed. The Wilson grand jury was abnormal in that the prosecutor did not follow typical protocol with evidence and witness called. My problem with this is that cops are held to a much lower standard then I am and I believe that the grand jury no bill shows just that. If I was brought before this grand jury, for the same charge of shooting a charging bad guy to defend myself after he already punched me, would the prosecutor go easy? Would he call many witnesses on my account? The answer is no, I would end up going to trial, which costs a boat load of money and which officer Wilson does not have to pay. FYI, Zimmerman is in debt about 2 million for what he went through.

[Tex Pro]

[jimukr104]

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So should the average Joe be allowed to get a separate social security retirement check for every job he 'did the time/service for'? The answer is no because it is not fair and would bankrupt the system. Spiking, double or triple dipping is stealing. It may be working the system, but it is stealing none the less.

You have no clue what you are talking about here but I think possibly you are use the double dip term differently. For one thing it isn't stealing because it doesn't violate any laws! Gaming a system legally is the same as someone taking advantage of tax laws to save money. Are they wrong for paying less taxes because they hired an accountant and itemized instead of taking the standard deduction? Anyone with a legal or financial background would say NO.

A person can work for multiple fortune 500 companies and get multiple pensions. A person can work for the military , get a pension. Then work for the state, get a pension, then work for a private business and get a pension.

Your SS comparison makes no sense. SS pays based on the total amount of work credits and salary amount someone worked in 30 or 35 years. So it is actually double if someone works double the amount of years as someone else and has a larger salary. The amount one get is determined by every job one ever works. It follows you until 65. You can't compare SS to an employee pension which is based on employment with that SPECIFIC company/organization/state.

A gov't pension or a private pension is similar but it is based on combination of contributions and amount of service.

For example in California IKNOWEXACTLY mentioned state workers (or cops?) get 3% per year of work.

If they hypothetically worked 40 years they would get 120% right?

Well if they only work at the job for 20 years and decide to leave and take only 60% how are they STEALING if they then decide to spend the next 20 years working in a different job that has a pension? Maybe the next job only pays 2 % a year so they get only 40% after 20 years.

In this case the worker actually gets 2 pensions but it is = to less than if the worker stayed for 40 years in the 1st job.

Again I don't think you understand how pensions work!

Even a 401k. Someone can have 5 different jobs and 5 different 401k's, 1 from each job, if they worked for 5 different companies and didn't roll it over into one.

There is nothing illegal about it so your use of the word STEALING borders on ignorance. And there is nothing un moral about it because they are being credited for the amount of years they work! What difference does it make if they get 1 big pension or 3 smaller ones from 3 different employers?Right? Use common sense

Yes it is illegal to get more than 1 pension from the same gov't... that is a different type of double dipping vernacular that the media sometime uses. Were you maybe thinking about that?

Hey you want a pension go do a job that gives one and stop your whining lol. I hear Costco is hiring and I heard they give pensions. Same theory. A certain % for the amount of time on. And realize that employees pay contributions into their pension plans in addition to ss deductions. So while you pay 7% fica. They pay that and maybe another 10%(every dept is different , ranges 3%-15%).

In California they don't pay into SS while working for the gov't so they actually don't get SS if there only credible work is in public service!

Disability pensions are a whole different matter but it is funded like insurance is. But since they are forced out early and pensions don't move up with inflation obviously they need to work once again. No one can tell someone what type of job to go for. A gov't employee will usually only be qualified for gov't work..there is no GI BILL for public workers you know.

And the corruption here is actually the gov't forcing people into early retirement to get rid of those they don't like and save money. Trust me they love forcing cops to retire. The head of the pension section explained to me that the city wins:

They retire a guy who is capable of less. His pension comes out of the pension fund NOT the general budget. So now if the salary was 100k they have in the budget 100k to hire 2 rookies for the price of one or use the other 50k to fund feminist and transgender operations.

ps--in some states yes the politicians say the pensions are bankrupting them, but what they don't tell you is that they funneled the money out of the pension funds for their own projects and now complain that they need to refund it. Imagine if they funneled out your 401k and then said they don't want to repay it...it is bankrupting them. Stop reading paparazzi media!

In NYC... the city actually profits off the pension funds. Since most of the last 30 yrs the pension funds have surplus they actually made a deal where they pocket the excess...logically shouldn't the pension system keep the money?

The amount needed to fund pensions and the contributions are both calculated by actuaries from the day I got hired based on my age at the time and my retirement day and it is deferred compensation, part of the package. So instead of making 100k..the cop gets 70k and 30k is deferred until later.

[Jevioso]

(12-26-2014 11:36 PM)Ironsun Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 12:58 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Completely legal. NYPD medical board has their own standards of what it means to be fit or unfit. Orlando florida often finds out un fit cops are FIT. So you have guys who were forced out for being unfit on pensions that get second police jobs and will get 2 pensions one day.

I knew A guy that triple dipped. Last I heard he retired as the chief of police of Cape Cod. He got out on disability early in his career in NYPD then went to another dept , did his time got his second pension and went on to get hired as a Chief..earning a third pension. His monthly pensions combined probably = over 200k per year lol.

But completely legal and fair. He earned his pensions, did the time/service and decided to continue to work. Other depts wanted him. Remember like i once said..the dept boards often get rid of cops they don't like by putting them on disability. I know bosses that tried to pysch cops out because the cop talked back to him.

So should the average Joe be allowed to get a separate social security retirement check for every job he 'did the time/service for'? The answer is no because it is not fair and would bankrupt the system. Spiking, double or triple dipping is stealing. It may be working the system, but it is stealing none the less.

(12-25-2014 12:58 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Glad this guy got banned. Doesn't understand what justice is. Grand jury being bought the case means justice was done. There decision and right to make one means justice was done. Anything else is a witch hunt. Basically it is protesting because they don't LIKE the decision of the jury..well bo hoo.

Justice: the process or result of using laws to fairly judge and punish crimes and criminals

: a judge in a court of law

Grand Jury: is a legal body that is empowered to conduct official proceedings to investigate potential criminal conduct and to determine whether criminal charges should be brought. A grand jury may compel the production of documents and may compel the sworn testimony of witnesses to appear before it. A grand jury is separate from the courts, which do not preside over its functioning.

A grand jury is not justice. It is used by prosecutors, one side of the criminal justice system and justice requires both sides to present facts to be fairly judged, to help determine if a crime may have been committed. The Wilson grand jury was abnormal in that the prosecutor did not follow typical protocol with evidence and witness called. My problem with this is that cops are held to a much lower standard then I am and I believe that the grand jury no bill shows just that. If I was brought before this grand jury, for the same charge of shooting a charging bad guy to defend myself after he already punched me, would the prosecutor go easy? Would he call many witnesses on my account? The answer is no, I would end up going to trial, which costs a boat load of money and which officer Wilson does not have to pay. FYI, Zimmerman is in debt about 2 million for what he went through.

Well, the thing here once again is where is the check on power?

The thing I like about bringing things back to principle is it helps reduce the focus on arbitrary things: the police are a part of the judiciary system, why would one expect, in the case of a conflict between a citizen and an official, that the judges would side with the citizen, unless overwhelming evidence forces them to do so?

That being said, it's legal what they're doing. Legal isn't synonymous with just. There's a lot of laws that have been passed in this country that were unjust and currently are unjust like the yes means yes law (which like stop and frisk is "blatantly" unconstitutional). Democracies almost always produce unjust laws, which is why constitutions are necessary to reduce the occurrence of unjust laws lest the end result is anarchy.

New York has a history of always bordering on the line of anarchy, and the spirit of Tammany Hall has never completely left the great city of New York.