[jariel]

No disrespect to the OP, as this is at least a topic worthy of discussion, but let's stop calling this particular incident "game". We're talking about one dude coming up on pussy from one chick.

Maybe we could entertain the thought of this as "game" if it was being ran on a variety of bitches with an above-average level of success.

Trying to act "innocent" will get you put in a lame bag.

I mean I live in a place where the majority of people are Latin, so my gaming is mostly centered around latinas, and running "innocent game" here will have you relegated to Backpage, strip clubs, and massage parlors, and it's likely most chicks will just think you're gay.

Women LOVE to fuck, probably more than we do.

I hate to see that every time someone sees someone else getting pussy they try to equate it to some sort of walking on water, jedi mind trick that needs to be studied and perhaps imitated, but I've been around the block enough times to know that women love dick, little dick, big dick, black dick, white dick, whatever dick, just put it in.

They'll buy plane, bus, and train tickets to go somewhere and get dick.

They'll steal from another man for dick.

They'll miss/leave work for dick.

They'll spend their last dollar for dick.

There's a lot of shit that women will do when they have a dick in their lives that they want.

Dude might come off as innocent, but that's not the game, how could it be? Look, once you're in the pussy, and her juices are dripping on your balls, nobody's innocent. Dude found himself in the right place at the right time, and when it was time to put it down, he probably did, and that's why he's hitting it, because he's putting it down like she wants it.

That's the game to study, good dick game, when you get into the game, you better make a play, the innocent shit is missing the point.

[Cobra]

^^^ That's why I was asking him how many approaches he did because yes, like you said, he missed the point and is growing some kind of "jealousy" phase which you are likely describing a bit more accurately than I was able to.

If he is self-aware of his game, (e.g. does cold approach at the least), he will at least try to gather the parts of this guy's "game" (if it even exists) that would be plausible for him to use, whether it's interacting, texting, closing, whatever. The forum is amazing but having someone around physically can do wonders to your game as I have learned.

Anyways, we all felt jealous of other players at some point, but OP may be misplacing that jealousy after the fact. I reiterate that he answer my question regarding his own game if he truly wants help from us.

[Aenema]

(12-23-2014 11:25 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

OP how many approaches have you done or what's your game level?

Not sure how you came up with your assumptions.

Assumptions are never good in game. For your sake, don't latch on to this story like it's something plausible for you and "use" it without also trying other techniques.

I don't count my approaches because they aren't a new concept to me. I've been approaching on some level since age fifteen or sixteen and that could be some thousand approaches, although ive certainly grown up and had to refine my game. I don't know what my "game level" is either because frankly game isn't ranked, we aren't competing with eachother on a concrete level because each of us leads a separate day to day life and must adjust his or her game accordingly. no one persons recipe for interaction/sex can be the same as anyone elses. Similar, sure, since the vast number of women like the same things, it is beneficial to understand why. This goes for making assumptions, if I have a genuine basis for an assumption, then it is still worthy of being discussed. I should have realized there would be game-police attacking new posters for using the word game in vain. Silly me. We can call it technique or niche.
Furthermore, I clearly stated that I wasn't going to try this myself since I'm 24. I was simply making a suggestion for younger guys. A good way to gain experience and gain confidence with girls = be the innocent guy they run to when theyre heartsick of alpha cock.

[Aenema]

(12-24-2014 05:54 PM)jariel Wrote:  

No disrespect to the OP, as this is at least a topic worthy of discussion, but let's stop calling this particular incident "game". We're talking about one dude coming up on pussy from one chick.

Maybe we could entertain the thought of this as "game" if it was being ran on a variety of bitches with an above-average level of success.

Trying to act "innocent" will get you put in a lame bag.

I mean I live in a place where the majority of people are Latin, so my gaming is mostly centered around latinas, and running "innocent game" here will have you relegated to Backpage, strip clubs, and massage parlors, and it's likely most chicks will just think you're gay.

Women LOVE to fuck, probably more than we do.

I hate to see that every time someone sees someone else getting pussy they try to equate it to some sort of walking on water, jedi mind trick that needs to be studied and perhaps imitated, but I've been around the block enough times to know that women love dick, little dick, big dick, black dick, white dick, whatever dick, just put it in.

They'll buy plane, bus, and train tickets to go somewhere and get dick.

They'll steal from another man for dick.

They'll miss/leave work for dick.

They'll spend their last dollar for dick.

There's a lot of shit that women will do when they have a dick in their lives that they want.

Dude might come off as innocent, but that's not the game, how could it be? Look, once you're in the pussy, and her juices are dripping on your balls, nobody's innocent. Dude found himself in the right place at the right time, and when it was time to put it down, he probably did, and that's why he's hitting it, because he's putting it down like she wants it.

That's the game to study, good dick game, when you get into the game, you better make a play, the innocent shit is missing the point.

I agree with a lot of this but it's less about good dick game imo its more mental.
He told me today even that he has trouble lasting long or is sometimes too nervous to get really hard. So he's really not putting it down well. Its something more that keeps these type of girls interested. I'm really curious to know more about this. When I was 17 I had sex with a 23 year old actually, a much more significant age gap than my cousin and his girl, but I wasn't all that innocent. Maybe to her I was? She wasn't that hot though anyway so I didn't think too much about it.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Quote:

he is very tall

There you have it. Take that detail away, and innocence will quickly start feeling more like a weight around your neck.

[Cobra]

No need to get defensive OP. I'm just trying to understand better what your game is. Generally people here that give game advice have done approaches, posted data sheets and have overall credibility (high rep points are a good indicator). Whenever I see something from these guys, I generally don't question it much because I know where their game is. With someone new like yourself, while I want to learn from you, it is harder for me to see that credibility. Hence I ask questions. Not my intention to police you. We're all here to help each other and you should take this as an opportunity to establish that credibility. So I'll ask again.

(12-25-2014 03:47 AM)Aenema Wrote:  

I don't count my approaches because they aren't a new concept to me. I've been approaching on some level since age fifteen or sixteen and that could be some thousand approaches, although ive certainly grown up and had to refine my game.

Can you elaborate on what types of approaches and how you have refined your game? Please provide some examples.

(12-25-2014 03:47 AM)Aenema Wrote:  

I don't know what my "game level" is either because frankly game isn't ranked, we aren't competing with eachother on a concrete level because each of us leads a separate day to day life and must adjust his or her game accordingly. no one persons recipe for interaction/sex can be the same as anyone elses. Similar, sure, since the vast number of women like the same things, it is beneficial to understand why.

You believe it is not ranked but if you don't mind, please post a little detail on how many numbers/leads you have gotten from cold approaching and how many you have banged. Please also let us know how you ranked those girls. For example, were they 6s or 7s or 8+. The bang number and rank of girls should be clear to you. And we collectively can help you figure out your game level, maybe not as a rank but as a more grounded understanding of it. Again, that's why this section of the forum exists.

As far as game itself, there are definitely universal components like approaching, conquering anxiety, making her comfortable, escalating, going for the number, kissing, closing etc. It really appears you're trying to "niche" yourself out of these basics, which is impossible. Please keep reading.

(12-25-2014 03:47 AM)Aenema Wrote:  

This goes for making assumptions, if I have a genuine basis for an assumption, then it is still worthy of being discussed. I should have realized there would be game-police attacking new posters for using the word game in vain. Silly me. We can call it technique or niche.

Please explain your genuine basis again because I failed to understand it. If you're using your one friend as a basis, I would argue that's not a large enough sample size. Do you believe effort and game are congruent? Your friend did not make effort to game (approach, escalate, bang). He just went straight to the bang. That is rare. If you use such a rarity as a basis, then there may be genuine issues for you to work on. I have gotten a bang like this so I know how rare it is.

(12-25-2014 03:47 AM)Aenema Wrote:  

Furthermore, I clearly stated that I wasn't going to try this myself since I'm 24. I was simply making a suggestion for younger guys. A good way to gain experience and gain confidence with girls = be the innocent guy they run to when theyre heartsick of alpha cock.

Why make suggestions on something you haven't even tried given you're new on the forum? This is a newbie forum where people are making the effort and asking for help or questions. And vets are making the effort to then offer suggestions. You want to skip the effort of asking for help, skip the effort of approaching and becoming better at game, and then want to go straight into making a suggestion on the forum. Kind of like you're telling others about a magic pill that doesn't exist. I'm not a 100% sure of this but I see indications which is why I'm asking.

We hope to see you and anyone else stay and add value to the forum. What I tend to have an issue with, however, is people coming into the newbie section showing people an "easy" way out. It goes against the very spirit of this section of the forum when everyone else is grinding against the pavement. Don't mean for such a long post, but that's the reason. Other newbies, also take note of these questions and the responses I (hopefully) get from the OP. You may learn a lot or nothing at all. I'm waiting.

[Aenema]

Wow, that's a long response alright. I'll indulge a bit and elaborate on some of your questions/comments but I'm not motivated enough to write a manuscript length post at the moment.
As far as my "game level" and game progression, I didn't have much game around 15-16 when I began getting with girls. Most of that was through social circle, and I would literally wait until someone told me a girl thought I was cute/liked me and I would go in with asshole game. I was too scared of rejection to do this with girls that I liked, and more often than not, I wasn't truly into the girls that had liked me. When I finally did get to hookup with a girl I actually liked(waited two years of having her in my social circle to hear she thought i was hot, after she had already dated another guy in our group). I basically get really beta and she dumps me(seems like a typical occurrence for most guys on here, or in general). That's one of the reasons I'm impressed that my cousin didn't go beta over the slut he's banging. The things I would've done differently had I known.
After she broke up with me I ended up banging the questionably attractive 23 year old who threw herself at me at my older brothers party. Eventually started to get a little confidence from occasional situations like those and went to college with a more open mind towards getting girls. I've learned to identify the eye as i call it that girls unconsciously give when they're attracted to you and I maximize my appearance in order to get more of these natural cues. From there I usually use typical slightly asshole/don't fuck it up game but lately I have been experimenting more with the girls who are for sure interested in me, i am no longer sufficient with just a bang from these girls and i like to see how depraved i can make them.
also working on more approaches with girls I think are cute who haven't given me the eye I looked for. I've approached a few like this recently; one asian girl ended up being really shy but well receptive, i got her number and eventually banged. that was a high point for me since it was my first true cold approach and it led to a bang, however after that i had a string of let downs. I managed to take home a cute sorority girl from the bar and then most recently a 28 year old very pretty blonde teacher who has become a fuck buddy.

Also, I'm not encouraging an easy way out, I was simply suggesting that quite a few women can be attracted to innocence and not to feel discouraged or defeated if you are sexually innocent because it can quickly change. I am not basing this solely off my cousin, as I've said, my cousin's shocking example reminded me of similar experiences of myself and my friends/family many of whom had girls pursue them sexually when they were innocent.

[BiggNastee]

it is what it is

[Noir]

I wouldn't call this 'game'.

When you improve at this, you become adaptable.

This is the bread and butter of my boyfriend destroyer tactics.

What is he like? What is her history like? What kind of guys is she used to?

Project the opposite side of that from your personality.

Give her what she doesn't and never has had; grass is greener on the other side etc.

[Roosh]

Suspicious OP.

[Hardy Daytona]

Before I discovered the Red Pill, I used to play the innocence/ignorance card from time to time in my dealings with women in an attempt to cultivate some kind of student/teacher relationship.

Just thinking about how I acted makes me cringe.
I was always fed the "Don't worry, you'll meet someone" line.

Thank providence I don't pull that shit any more.

[Cobra]

(12-26-2014 04:10 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Suspicious OP.

I'll admit I was a bit of a dick to him in my last post but yes it was because of this. There are real "theoretical" aspects to the story which are a bit too unlikely to be true.

[Aenema]

And these aspects are?

[Cobra]

Your cold approaches and eventual resulting bangs don't correlate to your then transition into looking at "innocence" game. It's almost like you don't believe in cold approaches or end up doing them few and far between.

It didn't seem to me like you're doing approaches cold with any frequency and are rather looking for other ways that require less effort.

I don't have anything personal against you OP. I want you to succeed. I just think that members that don't want to put in effort (in their own life and on the forum) are wasting their own time and others'. You may not be one of them but a lot of things point in that direction.

Anyways, I digress because I'll have to admit I have had a short fuse lately and was likely as a result being a bit over the top. The forum has given me a lot and I'm a bit hard on newbies that come out guns blazing. I will look to see continued posts on your progress and maybe understand you a bit better based on actual stats/approach details you may decide to post.

[britchard]

I think I have a better idea of innocence game now. I think you just have to act and answer questions in a very naive way and indicate slight sexual interest but keep it a 'boyish' type of sexual excitement.

It will be hard to get the balance right between being innocent but not acting in a beta way.

May be getting another part-time job soon, could run this on some of the older (female) staff.