[Screwston]

Is there ever a time you wouldn't lie to get some ass? Let's say its some hippy girl who you don't agree with on anything. Do you play the role and let her think y'all are on the same page? Or do you stand firm with your real views and try to fuck? I've always stood by my beliefs on certain things but I'm thinking about bullshitting with every new girl to make her feel "closer" to me

[Jack_007]

You'll be a clown

[Chad Daring]

(04-24-2011 03:51 AM)houston Wrote:  

Is there ever a time you wouldn't lie to get some ass? Let's say its some hippy girl who you don't agree with on anything. Do you play the role and let her think y'all are on the same page? Or do you stand firm with your real views and try to fuck? I've always stood by my beliefs on certain things but I'm thinking about bullshitting with every new girl to make her feel "closer" to me

I prefer to be ambiguous rather then honest/dishonest. If she goes off an a tangent about her beliefs I don't agree with I just give a slight smile, let her finish, then say something neutral and simple like "interesting"

Dont validate, dont challenge, just let her talk.

And for most things if she asks my opinion I just tell her I dont get into all that, makes for to much drama. Or go neutral and say something like both sides could be right/wrong/valid

[CupCake]

(04-24-2011 09:00 AM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I prefer to be ambiguous rather then honest/dishonest.

I've also been trying to do this lately. I'm beginning to believe that my opinionated nature is intimidating to most women. Even the slightest mis-wording might make a woman view you as confrontational or judgmental. Obviously, that's the last thing you want.

I've noticed that women have an "everyone's kinda right, especially me" mentality. As irrational as that is, you may benefit from working within that framework when dealing with women you want for the short-term. Long-term women on the other hand must be able to deal with brutal honesty.

[Roosh]

Lying to appear you have things in common is supplication and makes it more likely you WON'T bang her. Standing up for what you believe, even if it's at odds with her beliefs, will do more to get in her pants.

[oldnemesis]

(04-24-2011 03:51 AM)houston Wrote:  

Is there ever a time you wouldn't lie to get some ass? Let's say its some hippy girl who you don't agree with on anything. Do you play the role and let her think y'all are on the same page? Or do you stand firm with your real views and try to fuck?

It gets more complicated than that. For example, I can withhold the information, or provide a vague answer which I know would likely be interpreted in a specific way, even though it is not the case. Some may consider it "lying", some may not. This, however, is typically only the case when providing a truthful answer would be an immediate deal-breaker - for example, like telling the EE chick you came there for a week and are leaving tomorrow morning.

Otherwise I stand my grounds, but I'm not putting it into her face. Otherwise you risk turning your conversation into debate about things like abortion, gender rights, politics or other topics which will not get you laid. Staying your grounds is typically interpreted as you are a grown man who knows his value, while adapting to her values is basically an attempt to qualify yourself. And you don't have to agree with anything to have sex with a girl - I banged several very religious chicks who knew I'm atheist, one of them actually wanted to show me the "love of Lord". It will be an issue if you go into LTR, but not for ONS or fuck buddy type relationships.

[Gmac]

I don't blatantly lie, but I don't always tell the entire truth either.

[Agent_GQ]

(04-24-2011 04:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Lying to appear you have things in common is supplication and makes it more likely you WON'T bang her. Standing up for what you believe, even if it's at odds with her beliefs, will do more to get in her pants.

What Roosh said. Back in college I met a girl through a mutual friend. Hot tall brunette, taller than me. She was an 'art' student who had just transferred from a small private college in the middle of nowhere. You could def. tell this girl was artsy and super-liberal.

She said the 70's were great and she loved 70's music. I thought the 80's were better and I liked 80's music, so I called her out on that. She later talked about non-profits and saving the world blah blah blah. I told her that I believed in 'profits over people' with a smile.

At the end of the night I went back to her place. She offered me some weed. At this point I was still giving her shit for being a liberal artsy chick and liking 70's music. We went to her room and went at it all night.

Be yourself. And don't ever apologize for being you

[Moma]

(04-24-2011 03:51 AM)houston Wrote:  

Is there ever a time you wouldn't lie to get some ass? Let's say its some hippy girl who you don't agree with on anything. Do you play the role and let her think y'all are on the same page? Or do you stand firm with your real views and try to fuck? I've always stood by my beliefs on certain things but I'm thinking about bullshitting with every new girl to make her feel "closer" to me

Lie, lie, lie. I used to stand firm on a lot of things and pussy has been slipping through my fingers faster than a man with carpal tunnel syndrome.

Lie as much as you can without having to agree on b.s. The best form of lying however, is to divert.
If a woman asks you what type of music you like, you can smile and say "Music is like good food, I like it to assimilate into my body slowly so I can appreciate every note"
Then reach in and acheive kino (touch her arm or something) and talk about something else that you know you are both consensual on.
Unless she is strongly insistent on a straightforward answer to her question, then it will come to a point where you can either lie blatantly and divert to prevent her from going into detail on a concept that you don't agree with.
Think of the communication as a dance. You must have control and even if you allow her what looks like a lead, it is really to lure her into a point where she concedes even more control.
Usually