[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

(12-17-2014 03:00 PM)polar Wrote:  

The yellow press tends to forget that correlation does not imply causation

If anything, this study sounds like there's a reverse causation at play here. The degradation of the quality of marriage is pushing the increased rates of porn - but that idea would bring some uncomfortable questions about the state of modern American society, so clearly it must the be other way round.

HSLD

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(12-17-2014 05:54 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

"Give me PornHub or give me death!"

That will be the rallying cry of the incel male in the very near future as the feminazis try to ban porn.

"Incel" connotes men like Elliott Roger who wanted women but was unable to get them. What this article speaks of seems like a different breed: guys who could be with women but are too lazy and unambitious.

We've always had incels in society. But the ubiquity of online porn (as well as online everything), might be creating a new kind of man who isn't with women because of choice, not ineptitude.

Since my divorce, I'm finding a drastically different breed of woman than I knew in the 1990s. I wonder if I had to deal with everything from social media whores to women obsessed with their idiotic jobs, if I would have retreated then into porn.

I had assumed this was just women in their forties, but from what I see of Millennial women, it's equally as bad.

There was a reason in the old days women were taught to keep trim, be polite, bake pies, and make their future husbands happy. It was because people instinctively knew that without such incentives, men would devolve into a bunch of lazy, selfish slobs and society would crumble.

Well, not only don't we have those female incentives now, but we have something they never imagined: 24/7 entertainment at our fingertips and lots of it is naked women. Good luck turning that situation around.

[Constitution45]

There is a strong incentive for men to find their release via porn. The novelty is endless, it gives you an orgasm; unfortunately excessive use leads to serious problems of all kinds; some of which we will never truly find out about until its become an epidemic problem. Its great to see the Nofap movement in full force. Ironically enough, although we have a society that really tries its best to deconstruct masculinity; in other ways it has actually encouraged masculine growth in a small minority of the male population to such an extreme level, that we probably will see some very interesting individuals come out of this millennial generation.

[The Reactionary Tree]

(12-17-2014 06:30 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 05:54 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

"Give me PornHub or give me death!"

That will be the rallying cry of the incel male in the very near future as the feminazis try to ban porn.

"Incel" connotes men like Elliott Roger who wanted women but was unable to get them. What this article speaks of seems like a different breed: guys who could be with women but are too lazy and unambitious.

We've always had incels in society. But the ubiquity of online porn (as well as online everything), might be creating a new kind of man who isn't with women because of choice, not ineptitude.

Since my divorce, I'm finding a drastically different breed of woman than I knew in the 1990s. I wonder if I had to deal with everything from social media whores to women obsessed with their idiotic jobs, if I would have retreated then into porn.

I had assumed this was just women in their forties, but from what I see of Millennial women, it's equally as bad.

There was a reason in the old days women were taught to keep trim, be polite, bake pies, and make their future husbands happy. It was because people instinctively knew that without such incentives, men would devolve into a bunch of lazy, selfish slobs and society would crumble.

Well, not only don't we have those female incentives now, but we have something they never imagined: 24/7 entertainment at our fingertips and lots of it is naked women. Good luck turning that situation around.

I guess it will be the rallying cry of the MGTOW since so many of them even go as far as to not having sexual relations with women ever again.

[la_mode]

If there's a new civil war fought in America - it will somehow be correlated to the overall lack of feminine, in-shape, normal women. I've noticed this new trend of women dating multiple guys at once under the terminology "seeing", of course, to mitigate potential slutiness.

One guy eats her out, one guy she fucks, one guy she cuddles with (knowing he wants more), the other guy pays her bills in exchange for blow jobs. America's gender ratios are more lopsided than humpty dumpty's belly.

The most prized commodity in the US isn't even gold at this moment. It's single, thin, attractive, feminine, non-bitchy women which are hard to come by.

I used to joke around that the US government needed to implement a female-only immigration program. Until they do, expect to see crime & drug use rise, and more random shootings.

It's never been scientifically quantified, but there simply aren't enough attractive single women with no children in the 22-34 age bracket for every man in the same age bracket. Any guy in the US knows this. Porn is something that men need, especially when the majority are not sexually satisfied, whether married or not. The left & right would both try to relegate American men to lingerie catalogs if they could.

[CRR]

(12-17-2014 06:30 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 05:54 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

"Give me PornHub or give me death!"

That will be the rallying cry of the incel male in the very near future as the feminazis try to ban porn.

"Incel" connotes men like Elliott Roger who wanted women but was unable to get them. What this article speaks of seems like a different breed: guys who could be with women but are too lazy and unambitious.

We've always had incels in society. But the ubiquity of online porn (as well as online everything), might be creating a new kind of man who isn't with women because of choice, not ineptitude.

Since my divorce, I'm finding a drastically different breed of woman than I knew in the 1990s. I wonder if I had to deal with everything from social media whores to women obsessed with their idiotic jobs, if I would have retreated then into porn.

I had assumed this was just women in their forties, but from what I see of Millennial women, it's equally as bad.

There was a reason in the old days women were taught to keep trim, be polite, bake pies, and make their future husbands happy. It was because people instinctively knew that without such incentives, men would devolve into a bunch of lazy, selfish slobs and society would crumble.

Well, not only don't we have those female incentives now, but we have something they never imagined: 24/7 entertainment at our fingertips and lots of it is naked women. Good luck turning that situation around.

All spot on.

I'd add that more and more many women have simply aged out of the market. So many women my age are married and have been since their late 20s, early 30s latest. Now I know so many women in their early-mid 30s without a husband in sight. While men my age, so long as one stays in shape and has a decent career, continue to be able to pick up women in their 20s, women as they get older get more and more invisible. And bitter.

So we have two things:

1) Women need that relationship/companionship that they just can't get from porn, a prostitute or fellow women. I know a few guys who I don't see with women and they seem happy, or at least accepting of their situation. My guess is porn + prostitutes keeps them sexually placated, and they get their camaraderie from fellow men.

2) Women can't get younger men like men can get younger women, hence why I say they've aged themselves out.

Overall, as I've stated in other threads, the simple fact is that there is a plethora of unmarriagable women. Fat, unattractive, obnoxious. Men don't want that shit. And as much as women want to try to force us to judge them on their career, we'll find attractive what we want to find attractive.

On that note, it's so unbelievably stupid how women want us to judge them on their career. We men have been working since the dawn of time, so no, we're not going to bow down to you just because you have a job.

Just be cute, feminine and pleasant. Or don't. Enjoy your cats.

[Vitriol]

(12-17-2014 08:01 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

If there's a new civil war fought in America - it will somehow be correlated to the overall lack of feminine, in-shape, normal women. I've noticed this new trend of women dating multiple guys at once under the terminology "seeing", of course, to mitigate potential slutiness.

One guy eats her out, one guy she fucks, one guy she cuddles with (knowing he wants more), the other guy pays her bills in exchange for blow jobs. America's gender ratios are more lopsided than humpty dumpty's belly.

The most prized commodity in the US isn't even gold at this moment. It's single, thin, attractive, feminine, non-bitchy women which are hard to come by.

I used to joke around that the US government needed to implement a female-only immigration program. Until they do, expect to see crime & drug use rise, and more random shootings.

It's never been scientifically quantified, but there simply aren't enough attractive single women with no children in the 22-34 age bracket for every man in the same age bracket. Any guy in the US knows this. Porn is something that men need, especially when the majority are not sexually satisfied, whether married or not. The left & right would both try to relegate American men to lingerie catalogs if they could.

Any guy who has went out on the weekend in the U.S. knows how bad the gender ratios are... The mainstream media wants to bury their heads in the sand about this issue or just doesn't care. Plus there's no legal culture of prostitution or at least doing something to relieve the disproportionate male sex drive. No wonder U.S. traffic converts the best for porn sites. Guys here are expected to have blue balls 24/7 unless an American princess grants them an occasional night of fairy tale access to their gilded pussies. There simply aren't enough women around to service the male swinging dicks and no one is talking about it.

This country is so fucking dysfunctional and the amount of aggressive, pissed off guys walking around with blue balls every day is just the tip of the iceburg. Porn is only the preferred outlet because nothing else exists, and the past 25 years are no different because guys had access to VHS tapes and magazines. American culture doesn't give a fuck about men unless they're slaving to make women happy, and they have no legitimate outlets for their sex drive aside from their fat ugly wives who they've overpaid for. It's not the fault of porn, but an overzealous puritanical culture that has dysfunctional attitudes about the male sex drive. They're basically saying: "Hey wanna get laid? Pay for some fucking whale for the next 30 years other wise it's blueballs and porn!" It's the police-state's take on your dick. Sounds like a lot of fun... get off the fucking streets and keep yourself entertained with HBO or Pornhub.

[The_CEO]

I don't know about this study but fewer men these days having secure incomes or the financial wherewithal to support a wife and family seems to be at least as big a culprit.

I would add to this... regarding the title of the article... In my opinion it should say: "Bad Economy Causing Marriage Rate Decline; Threatens Economy."

[Vitriol]

(12-18-2014 12:00 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

I don't know about this study but fewer men these days having secure incomes or the financial wherewithal to support a wife and family seems to be at least as big a culprit.

Americunts don't want guys with stable jobs and incomes. They're "boring" compared to the DJs and drug dealers they're fucking. I doubt that has much to do with it. Good luck trying to get a mainstream media source to acknowledge that women only want guys for fun when their needs are taken care of by taxes.

[The_CEO]

(12-18-2014 12:04 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 12:00 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

I don't know about this study but fewer men these days having secure incomes or the financial wherewithal to support a wife and family seems to be at least as big a culprit.

Americunts don't want guys with stable jobs and incomes. They're "boring" compared to the DJs and drug dealers they're fucking. I doubt that has much to do with it. Good luck trying to get a mainstream media source to acknowledge that women only want guys for fun when their needs are taken care of by taxes.

What you say may be true...

But the thing is for the guys who DO want to wife up and have a family, a lot of them cannot afford it.

I'm not talking about provider "game". I'm talking about you need your economic position to be basically stable before you could start a family if one is so inclined.

[scorpion]

It's perfectly understandable why so many guys are watching porn these days (as many great posts in this thread have mentioned). However, that doesn't mean it's a good thing at all.

Porn is completely unnatural and fucks up your brain. The male brain was not designed to see hundreds of nubile, attractive young women naked in the span of a few hours. It's complete sexual overload.

I look at porn the same way I do junk food and video games. They are all things that are very addictive and which hijack your brain's pleasure centers to trick you into consuming more and more. Porn provides the illusion of sexual success by flashing sexual images of nubile young women into your brain over and over. Video games are similarly dangerous, except that they hijack your brain's reward center for accomplishment of goals and mastery of skills. In both cases, however, you are simply sitting alone staring at a screen.

I know a lot of guys don't want to hear this, but it's the truth. Cut porn out of your life and you will be better for it.

[kosko]

It's a chicken and a egg situation. Porn is a better option then a bowl cut hog wife that is as fat as Rosanne Barr, but back before it all women were thin and more pleasant. All a man had or needed in that day was some nudie mags he kept in the garage. I can't picture a young man who dove into marrying his college sweetheart having to rip one out in the shower. You go fuck your wife, you get sick of that then explore the mistress option.

There was never a need for mass amounts of the stuff when men had wives or steady outlooks for sex. Yes indeed its easier for a man to get random sex now then before but that is still the minority. Most men have blue balls and haven't touched a pussy in a long time. Porn is moving rapidly ahead to cater to that ever growing market.

These days dudes just looking forward to rot their eyeballs to Riley Ried more then go out and hunt down some real ass.

Its all about balance but my view is that a magazine or a DVD isn't the same as the on-denand high speed HD shitbwe got now. I've consumed net porn now off and on for 10 years. I've seen it change for the worse. Half the stuff I can't even watch as directors continue to introduce and troll movies for a more starved and omega fan base. I can only watch POV style stuff these days as its barley realistic, other stuff is to fake or fuked up. The camera angles and where they point the camera in many videos are un-natural in many cases for a man to ever come into contact with in a real setting. When would a man ever see the angle of a man pile driving some broads ass from behind with his balls hanging. Sorry to be so discript, but I'm just keeping it blunt and real to hammer in my point as porn being destructive. No strait man would ever come into that visual in real life with a woman so why do they include it in porn? From the days I started watching pron the ads on the sides were for can sites, pills to grow your junk, porn sites, and dating sites. All those remain to this day but the ads are more graphic and fucked up (anime tranny porn? Okay...?).

You watch enough vanilla shit and soon your brain gets bored of it and needs something new. Next your watching anime tenticle porn with women in clown makeup doing cuckolds or some shit. Where does it all end? Tons of men are trapped in that mess and just just keep them selves ... low energy and useless from non-stip fap and porn binges.

That weak, lazy, and foggy feeling after a fap binge... I am convinced that is how the powers at be want men to be like 24/7. Useless and to low energy to function. Just enough energy to put in a days work but no motivation for much else.

[Pontifex Maximus]

(12-18-2014 12:14 AM)kosko Wrote:  

That weak, lazy, and foggy feeling after a fap binge... I am convinced that is how the powers at be want men to be like 24/7. Useless and to low energy to function. Just enough energy to put in a days work but no motivation for much else.

It's similar to to the ancient Roman system of bread and circus. Bread is processed, simple sugars that create a chemical pleasure to the brain. The modern equivalents are the Snickers bars and the deep-fried appetizers. Our mindless media and porn entertain the masses; it's the modern circus. This short-term consumption blinds people from being long-term progress. People with endless surges of dopamine hitting their brains see no incentive to change the system.

A nation without energized men is crippled. Everything around us was built from sexual energy. French beaver trappers in N. America in the 1500's left accounts of controlling sexual behavior. They observed that in Mohawk/Iroquois tribes men were required to sleep separately from women, except for certain annual events for contraception. They recalled that warriors of the Five Confederation natives seemed to be more aggressive in battle. HA... I said beaver trappers...

[la_mode]

Guys are going to jack regardless of whether they view porn not, that's being forgotten. It's not like viewing porn makes jacking off that much better really. It may for some guys. I knew some real jerkers in my college days, most of them are married living in the suburbs now. One of them did so much, he went as far to as to claim he spilled egg nog under his bed.

The sexual dissatisfaction of the average American male is also contributing to a weight problem in my opinion.

A lot of men are sadly turning to gorging on food or excessive drinking, with occasional combination of the two. Porn at least doesn't add to the American male weight problem. I personally think the level of drinking the lack of available attractive women invokes in men is a bigger problem than hard drug usage. Of course, straight men (regardless of race) are not high on the SJW totem pole. While transgendered teens feeling depressed or getting mistreated should be addressed, it's not a danger to the public at large.

The sad thing is, this problem actually kills people. Sexually frustrated guys go berserk and shoot up random people. They are the ones most liable to rape. They start fights with random people. They drink excessively then get behind the wheel.

Obviously, a society of sexually satisfied men isn't going to fix everything, but it would arguably help more than anything else on the table.

[TheWastelander]

The problem with porn, as I understand it, is that prolonged exposure and beating off to several different images/movies can mess with a guy's brain and give him ED.

Remembering past lays is better.

[Feisbook Control]

(12-18-2014 12:14 AM)kosko Wrote:  

It's a chicken and a egg situation. Porn is a better option then a bowl cut hog wife that is as fat as Rosanne Barr, but back before it all women were thin and more pleasant. All a man had or needed in that day was some nudie mags he kept in the garage. I can't picture a young man who dove into marrying his college sweetheart having to rip one out in the shower. You go fuck your wife, you get sick of that then explore the mistress option.

There was never a need for mass amounts of the stuff when men had wives or steady outlooks for sex. Yes indeed its easier for a man to get random sex now then before but that is still the minority. Most men have blue balls and haven't touched a pussy in a long time. Porn is moving rapidly ahead to cater to that ever growing market.

These days dudes just looking forward to rot their eyeballs to Riley Ried more then go out and hunt down some real ass.

Its all about balance but my view is that a magazine or a DVD isn't the same as the on-denand high speed HD shitbwe got now. I've consumed net porn now off and on for 10 years. I've seen it change for the worse. Half the stuff I can't even watch as directors continue to introduce and troll movies for a more starved and omega fan base. I can only watch POV style stuff these days as its barley realistic, other stuff is to fake or fuked up. The camera angles and where they point the camera in many videos are un-natural in many cases for a man to ever come into contact with in a real setting. When would a man ever see the angle of a man pile driving some broads ass from behind with his balls hanging. Sorry to be so discript, but I'm just keeping it blunt and real to hammer in my point as porn being destructive. No strait man would ever come into that visual in real life with a woman so why do they include it in porn? From the days I started watching pron the ads on the sides were for can sites, pills to grow your junk, porn sites, and dating sites. All those remain to this day but the ads are more graphic and fucked up (anime tranny porn? Okay...?).

You watch enough vanilla shit and soon your brain gets bored of it and needs something new. Next your watching anime tenticle porn with women in clown makeup doing cuckolds or some shit. Where does it all end? Tons of men are trapped in that mess and just just keep them selves ... low energy and useless from non-stip fap and porn binges.

That weak, lazy, and foggy feeling after a fap binge... I am convinced that is how the powers at be want men to be like 24/7. Useless and to low energy to function. Just enough energy to put in a days work but no motivation for much else.

Yes, I think this is right on the money. I can't watch at least 50% of porn these days. It utterly frightens and disgusts me. Is it even sexual? Only in the way of an extreme fetish, which is something that we used to label dysfunctional/mentally ill.

Although, at one level, I believe in freedom of speech (and porn), etc., I really do wonder if that's being used against people in the ways you have mentioned (particularly in your final paragraph). Others have argued that having sexually frustrated men running around is bad for society. It is in that they can become very dangerous and destructive, but I suspect that we're getting to the point where the good points of a so-called civilised society are being outweighed by the bad points. Maybe it is getting time for some real change. Maybe TPTB realise that and fear it also. Maybe we're not going to get rid of all of the ills of modernity and restore femininity and so on without going through a transition involving a lot of really pissed off, sexually frustrated guys first. Maybe we need to pull the crutch of porn out from under these guys to begin that process. Maybe we need to force things to a head.

[Quintus Curtius]

This is one of those chicken-and-egg problems, as Kosko has said. Yes, in an ideal world, porn is not good for men. It exploits men by diverting his energies into illusions and dreamworlds rather than trying to make things happen in the real world. It's a sedative pushed on to American men by our corrupt corporate oligarchy to keep us all in line, and keep us all on the treadmill so we can have the disposable income needed to prop up their fat rich asses for another few decades.

But on the other hand, it's rise to a multi-billion dollar industry has tracked the fall of the American woman nearly in lockstep. As porn has risen, the quality of American women has declined. It is almost like the two things are buckets on opposite ends of a rope-and-pulley system: as one goes up, the other goes down.

The system knows that now, more than ever, there are fewer and fewer decent American women stacked against a veritable horde of thirsty, desperate guys. Most women have voluntarily made themselves ineligible for dating or marriage by becoming fat, hostile, or short-haired lesbians.

What are most below-average guys supposed to do?

In this terrifying Brave New World, it almost looks like a reasonable option to just opt out, play video games, drench yourself in porn, and stroke yourself into oblivion. For the average guy, it seems that no matter what you do, the system wants you either dead, in jail, or on some registry somewhere.

I personally don't do this, of course. But I really wonder sometimes...

[Akula]

^^^ yeah, me too. There is almost zero incentive to date the garbage that's mostly offered up to good men these days in the Anglosphere.

[FretDancer]

I really don't give a shit if porn ruins marriage and it's responsible for their decline.

What I do care about is how porn damages you as a person, and more specifically, as a man.

A few posters here have said it already. Porn is like junk food.

If becoming a better man, improving your game, getting good with girls and having sex with many girls is one of your goals and desires, you have to discard porn. It simply cannot go hand in hand, it is contradictory.

Personally, I despise porn but I am not against the use of it, everyone can do whatever they want.

[The Reactionary Tree]

(12-17-2014 08:01 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

I used to joke around that the US government needed to implement a female-only immigration program. Until they do, expect to see crime & drug use rise, and more random shootings.

I like this plan. My penis is all about diversity and multiculturalism.

Seriously, increasing the supply of females may knock down these American broads a peg or two.

Currently, there is an abundance of morbidly obese hog women running around shrieking like harpies about how it takes a "real man to handle a real woman" such as themselves. Delusions of grandeur.

So the hog women effectively take themselves out of the dating pool because lets be honest, no one wants to fuck those broads.

This then increases the demand for women who actually do take care of themselves. So you have some fit 6s and 7s who have increased demand (which is exponentially ramped up with 24/7 exposure to social media beta orbiters) and they are walking around like they are 9s and 10s.

We live in such a fucked up country.

I fully support the female-only immigration policy. That'll get their hamsters spinning when they see American men flocking to FSU, Latin American, & SEA women.

[Phoenix]

I'm very pro-porn. For every guy beating off in his 'masterbatorium' (lol, awesome word), there is one less dude to compete with for the real thing.

Porn lowers sex competition pressure for those men who don't use it.

[The Father]

(12-17-2014 03:04 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

I'm with Vox here.

The study ignores the obvious.

The marital "bond" was more of a contract.

The woman had to take care of hearth and home, not be fat, a harridan, or harpy. The man would get a job and bring home the bacon. Now women are too fat to fuck (no kids) and they eat all the bacon a man could bring home. If he divorces her, she still gets to take bacon from his plate.

G

She gets to take the plate :/

[Vitriol]

(12-18-2014 12:58 AM)la_mode Wrote:  

A lot of men are sadly turning to gorging on food or excessive drinking, with occasional combination of the two. Porn at least doesn't add to the American male weight problem. I personally think the level of drinking the lack of available attractive women invokes in men is a bigger problem than hard drug usage. Of course, straight men (regardless of race) are not high on the SJW totem pole. While transgendered teens feeling depressed or getting mistreated should be addressed, it's not a danger to the public at large.

The sad thing is, this problem actually kills people. Sexually frustrated guys go berserk and shoot up random people. They are the ones most liable to rape. They start fights with random people. They drink excessively then get behind the wheel.

Obviously, a society of sexually satisfied men isn't going to fix everything, but it would arguably help more than anything else on the table.

I'm sure many of us have been to a sports bar on the weekend where the crowd was pretty much all men except for the staff. They usually have security guards on staff because it doesn't take much for fights to break out in this environment.

[R Smoov]

Porn doesn't kill marriage.

Marriage kills marriage.

[Dr. Howard]

(12-17-2014 05:54 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

"Give me PornHub or give me death!"

That will be the rallying cry of the incel male in the very near future as the feminazis try to ban porn.

get ready for #pornogate