[JJ Roberts]

Women have 2 primary imperatives (as opposed to our one primary imperative).

Decide which one you want to appeal to.

I wrote about it a few years ago in more detail here -

http://sexthreepointzero.com/2012/02/11/...mperatives

Short answer. If you play the "high net worth" card you are going to be appealing to the 2nd of the two imperatives that I describe in that blog post. Women will be more coy, not want to leap into bed with you straight away and will want you to date them.

If you appeal to the first of the two imperatives then you will come across as the "fuckable guy" rather than the "boyfriend material" guy.

[iknowexactly]

"Also, I think that the fact that I'm afraid of getting hurt as I did with my ex again, is keeping me to make really any kind of emotional connection to these girls, but I never really needed that either for a bang."

Here we have the interesting part.

Wealth can give you access to people. But you have to pick people whom you're capable of connecting to, and out in the work of establishing a connection. I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but lays as an activity separTe from knowing someone seems to be more of a sport than profoundly enjoyable. The fact you got hurt and remember it shows you may have stronger attachment circuitry and arent really cut out to be a stone cold player. There are gray areas, or more accurately it's All Grey area

[Gringuito]

To quote from your link:

(11-28-2014 09:50 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

However, as a woman does not necessarily need to get both genetic imperatives met by the same man, and women often won’t, marrying the beta provider millionaire and banging the alpha yoga instructor or gardener is extremely common.

This problem I run into all to often. Women try very hard to put me into the beta provider roll. I come back with the best game I can and downplay the provider. It seems that many women are stuck on finding their beta provider millionaire that they don't want to see him as being alpha.

I think there was a video posted here a while ago that had a doctor trying to game. The women would not accept him as fun/fuckable guy. The guys wingman had no problem with the same women.

JJ, do you have any suggestions for how to handle this?

(11-28-2014 09:50 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

Women have 2 primary imperatives (as opposed to our one primary imperative).

Decide which one you want to appeal to.

I wrote about it a few years ago in more detail here -

http://sexthreepointzero.com/2012/02/11/...mperatives

Short answer. If you play the "high net worth" card you are going to be appealing to the 2nd of the two imperatives that I describe in that blog post. Women will be more coy, not want to leap into bed with you straight away and will want you to date them.

If you appeal to the first of the two imperatives then you will come across as the "fuckable guy" rather than the "boyfriend material" guy.

[Travesty]

Gringuito,

The times I have remembered girls literally attacking me sexually without provoking anything with escalation was when I was completely in the moment not focusing on them, but sharing a passion with them. Many times it was music I had recorded with a band. Sometimes it is simply talking about other music I like. They can see me fully get myself into it and forget they are in the room almost when talking and sharing about it.

If you become labeled fun guy passionate about X, you will win. Instead of rich guy.

My number 1 advice for you is to develop a passion for something girls really like to see guys into:

-Playing/creating music
-Creating art
-Yoga
-Cooking
-Surfing/Snowboarding/Dirtbiking/Climbing/Racing (more extreme sport variety where you can take them with you as beginners(crucial) and get their adrenaline flowing, not traditional)
-Fighting
-Dance

Probably in that order especially after college age. I purposely did not throw in business or traditional sports. Only hardcore career or entrepreneur chicks I think would care even a pittance about business. Traditional sports are a great DHV in junior high through college, but after college unless you are training for the Olympics or are a pro it just does not carry enough weight in my experience with making pussy wet if you are passionate but playing on rec/club teams.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(11-26-2014 07:53 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

....

I have thought about houseparties, but then the thought of inviting 2-3 girls that I have been both trying to bang is weird. How would you guys handle that, having 2-3 girls in your apartment that want to bang you? I'd be afraid of them talking to each other about me chasing them, or is that just in my head? Also, the idea of a small model agency would be fun, but what would really be needed for such a venture to materialize?

Houseparties are the way to go in EE. The best tail in most cities can be found there. There is a lack of high-end night-club culture here.

If you have a grand pad, that is more r-selected - screams more Player than boring nice guy - then you better can organize house parties. One of the best ways is to befriend local college/university Naturals and let them pull the women. You could even pay those guys a fee for doing that in addition to letting them provide the girls. Essentially you befriend a Connector - and there is nothing wrong to have 2, 3 or 10 girls at a party you are interested in. As long as the male to female ratio is 1 to 3 or higher it really does not matter. Have parties every week and invite only cool guys with Game - the women will come back. You will still need to do Game and put yourself in the r-selected Player category. Read KrauserPUA's books - that will help you.

As far as opening a small modeling agency - yes that will work, also opening a small discrete porn company, but sooner or later you will have to trump up some real work for the models, though there are plenty of fledgling semi-professional model agencies, so it's not a big problem. Also when having one of those it is easy to invite the girls to your parties. In EE this is the best way to go forward. I've been at such parties where some celebrity invited me with 5 girls and he spent the night fucking 4, while I had one in the guest bed room. And this was even a small after party - he told me that he did this all the time in similar constellations. The girls have no illusions that he will become their boyfriend.

Personally I have traveled around too much and stayed in hotels when doing Game, so it is more r-selected by default. And yes - in Moscow your high net worth won't mean so much.

[Darius]

I know this the anti-thesis of this forum, but if you have high net worth, go somewhere with little to no security net and cash in. Seriously, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

[JJ Roberts]

(11-28-2014 10:26 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  

This problem I run into all to often. Women try very hard to put me into the beta provider roll. I come back with the best game I can and downplay the provider. It seems that many women are stuck on finding their beta provider millionaire that they don't want to see him as being alpha.

I think there was a video posted here a while ago that had a doctor trying to game. The women would not accept him as fun/fuckable guy. The guys wingman had no problem with the same women.

JJ, do you have any suggestions for how to handle this?

I never encounter the same problem you are describing because I have trained myself over a long time to never engage with women in a beta/provider way.

Confidence is a major factor and no, I am not suggesting you do the fake it to you make it / cocky-funny / neg stuff.

It's really an inner game issue. If you are emotionally coming from a place where you feel that any women should be compensated in some way just by hanging around with you then you are going to come across that way.

That could result in behaviour ranging from buying women drinks, showing more interest in what she thinks that what you think or generally following her agenda in any way shape or form.

I would never do any of those things.

Just be your own person, follow your own agenda and not hers and above all - LEAD !

[DVY]

@Gringuito - Im a young doctor (mid 20s) and have run into the same problem. I just don't tell people what I do. I just keep it vague, like I work in dental office sales (yawn), and switch subjects really fast. Shows that I have some $$$, but no googable salary ranges.

@ trainwreck- I am half-russian, half- asian. Speak both languages and have lived in EE, Asia, and USA. Eastern Europe is a different boat completely. I wish I could give trainwreck more tailored advice, but its comes down to the fact that traditional slavic women really "husband/BF hunt". The sex is often a calculated logical decision (especially when you leave metropolitan cities of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Kiev). Yes, you'll get fluke ONS but its far and few in between. America and EE are light-years apart in terms of cultural relationships and sexual relationships.

Speaking from general experience, 1 thing I've noticed is that the more money I am perceived to have, the more girls filter themselves out. Its actually quite interesting phenomenon. If you don't make the push to talk to girls you like they likely won't talk to you.

This is doubly true in Russia/Ukraine. The czarist and communist regime of oppression makes Soviets stoics and xenophobic

Word of Caution***- Horror Story that my Russian Family Friend went through.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21546.html

[DaveR]

I was entertaining the idea of living in Tallinn for some time, but realised it would be a bad move because of what you've mentioned... finding worldly girls in small EE cities is extremely difficult. Even if she's educated and cultured, there is only so much to talk about with a girl who hasn't experienced much beyond the town she was born in. You're on a different level.
It's a pity, because the quality of life in those smaller cities is very hard to beat.

As you're already learning Russian, you could try living in St. Petersburg and mixing with the SPBGU/FINEK crowd. They usually have plenty of travel experience and like to develop themselves through sport, music, literature, etc. Russian girls will never do the chasing, but what you've achieved should make it easier to get into that social circle.

Sports cars won't be practical or even enjoyable if you decide to live in Russia. Everyone here drives SUVs for a reason: the roads are terribly maintained and boring to drive on. My suggestion would be to split your time between Russia and somewhere like Como/Switzerland/France where the roads, food and lifestyle are great.

I wouldn't recommend turning your apartment into a cave. Russians are conservative and it will only make you look like an eccentric.

I would also avoid Moscow for a few reasons:
- You'll spend a lot of time weeding out girls who are accustomed to the 'new rich' (bureaucrats who have stolen their way to wealth). They're often very fashionable but also boorish. So they know all the latest trends and brands, but they can't be entertained in Latin Europe because they hold their cutlery like monkeys. There are people like that in St. Petersburg, but far fewer of them because the city doesn't have a lot of federal directorates as in Moscow, and it doesn't draw as many immigrants from the provinces.
- quality of life in Moscow is terrible due to the traffic and pollution. You'll need a driver so you can get some work done during the 2-3 hours you'll spend on the road each day.
- The service culture isn't very well developed, and as a result you'll more often be frustrated getting simple things done... visas, payments, orders/deliveries, etc. even decent restaurant service can be difficult to find in Moscow.

[Gringuito]

(11-28-2014 11:15 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

The times I have remembered girls literally attacking me sexually without provoking anything with escalation was when I was completely in the moment not focusing on them, but sharing a passion with them. Many times it was music I had recorded with a band. Sometimes it is simply talking about other music I like. They can see me fully get myself into it and forget they are in the room almost when talking and sharing about it.

If you become labeled fun guy passionate about X, you will win. Instead of rich guy.

Travesty, thanks for the advice and motivation.

[CaptainChardonnay]

I was originally going to say develop a cool instagram like some people until i saw how you said you didn't want to increase your profile around the city.

Its quite an easy response for me to say but if the girl isn't biting and you find her boring, just ask her to leave, get dressed and go find another girl. make sure to not contact them. some of them will cave after 2 weeks and contact you. no rush playboy

[DaveR]

(11-28-2014 11:15 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

My number 1 advice for you is to develop a passion for something girls really like to see guys into:

-Playing/creating music
-Creating art
-Yoga
-Cooking
-Surfing/Snowboarding/Dirtbiking/Climbing/Racing (more extreme sport variety where you can take them with you as beginners(crucial) and get their adrenaline flowing, not traditional)
-Fighting
-Dance

Probably in that order especially after college age. I purposely did not throw in business or traditional sports. Only hardcore career or entrepreneur chicks I think would care even a pittance about business. Traditional sports are a great DHV in junior high through college, but after college unless you are training for the Olympics or are a pro it just does not carry enough weight in my experience with making pussy wet if you are passionate but playing on rec/club teams.

I can't say that I agree with this. Developing/inventing/feigning an interest in something to impress women is vain. It probably works and may even be necessary to achieve results in some Western markets, but it isn't something that I would do. You'll end up like Robin Williams if you live your life trying to impress women and others.

What works for me is being a dominant figure. Women from traditional societies respond well to it, especially if you're somewhat more mature than they are (age is not so important). Tell them they're wrong when they are, order them around, and let them know that you're the boss and that you're more important than they are. It will be easier to do this if you've achieved wealth and success and have established yourself in life; if not, you may find it difficult to truly believe that you are the 'boss.'

[Gringuito]

I didn't take that advice to say that I should get hobbies that girls tend to like but that I'm not very interested in. I read it as focus on myself and my hobbies first. My passion for them will come through. I could never get a hobby just because some girl may like me better. I would have no patience for that.

As to your advice, I agree about being dominant and calling girls out. That's a given.

(12-07-2014 02:58 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

I can't say that I agree with this. Developing/inventing/feigning an interest in something to impress women is vain. It probably works and may even be necessary to achieve results in some Western markets, but it isn't something that I would do. You'll end up like Robin Williams if you live your life trying to impress women and others.

What works for me is being a dominant figure. Women from traditional societies respond well to it, especially if you're somewhat more mature than they are (age is not so important). Tell them they're wrong when they are, order them around, and let them know that you're the boss and that you're more important than they are. It will be easier to do this if you've achieved wealth and success and have established yourself in life; if not, you may find it difficult to truly believe that you are the 'boss.'

[trainwreck]

(11-29-2014 03:10 PM)DVY Wrote:  

@Gringuito - Im a young doctor (mid 20s) and have run into the same problem. I just don't tell people what I do. I just keep it vague, like I work in dental office sales (yawn), and switch subjects really fast. Shows that I have some $$$, but no googable salary ranges.

@ trainwreck- I am half-russian, half- asian. Speak both languages and have lived in EE, Asia, and USA. Eastern Europe is a different boat completely. I wish I could give trainwreck more tailored advice, but its comes down to the fact that traditional slavic women really "husband/BF hunt". The sex is often a calculated logical decision (especially when you leave metropolitan cities of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Kiev). Yes, you'll get fluke ONS but its far and few in between. America and EE are light-years apart in terms of cultural relationships and sexual relationships.

Speaking from general experience, 1 thing I've noticed is that the more money I am perceived to have, the more girls filter themselves out. Its actually quite interesting phenomenon. If you don't make the push to talk to girls you like they likely won't talk to you.

This is doubly true in Russia/Ukraine. The czarist and communist regime of oppression makes Soviets stoics and xenophobic

Word of Caution***- Horror Story that my Russian Family Friend went through.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21546.html

So 1 year has passed since this post and not much has happened. I keep getting deeper and deeper into an understanding that I need to move my ass out of this 500k people city long term.

I have noticed one thing about women here in Eastern Europe (where I am Isn't russia tho). They are all extremely afraid and insecure. They rather will go for the boring college guy that provides them with security and one cinema date a week. As soon as they realize that I travel quite a bit, have enough money for ages, they somehow are attracted to it, but then rationalize away that I can just leave in any moments notice and leave them with nothing.

I've had a girl that would be in fact so crazy intimidated by my presence that she would barely innitiate conversation, because she'd be too afraid to fuck it up with me. And I'm not an intimidating guy at all when it comes to physical stature or behavior. A female friend just told me that I'm simply such a prize for them that for most of them they see me as "out of their league".

I recently spent 2 months in Barcelona and noticed the difference. I got myself a hot Russian student straight on the first week that I arrived there, then once she had to leave to Moscow, got myself another Russian. By the time I had left Barcelona I also had a few more girls lined up that were very on, one even texting me "I am so sad we couldn't see each other anymore". I didn't have to "tone down" my game anymore. These girls somehow were used to the status and lifestyle that I was experiencing and being in a city as Barcelona was congruent. Being back in their "shithole countries" wasn't.

It seems to me that even though we sometimes think that coming to Eastern Europe is the solution of all problems, many of us guys who have their shit together, aren't expected to be here. And simply the fact of me liking to spend time in a mid-tier Eastern European city when I'm clearly financially several leagues above the locals, makes you look suspicious to them. Seems to me that in Cosmopolitan cities such as Barcelona, Paris, Madrid, Berlin, Stockholm, London... you will still have a high % of expat girls that are exactly expecting to meet that type of guy there. Not in their (even though where I am isn't a shithole) shithole home place.

[DaveR]

(12-28-2015 03:19 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

It seems to me that even though we sometimes think that coming to Eastern Europe is the solution of all problems, many of us guys who have their shit together, aren't expected to be here. And simply the fact of me liking to spend time in a mid-tier Eastern European city when I'm clearly financially several leagues above the locals, makes you look suspicious to them. Seems to me that in Cosmopolitan cities such as Barcelona, Paris, Madrid, Berlin, Stockholm, London... you will still have a high % of expat girls that are exactly expecting to meet that type of guy there. Not in their (even though where I am isn't a shithole) shithole home place.

Very common in shitholes, especially in Ukraine because they can't understand why *anyone* would want to spend more than a week in their country. Giving a reason for being there is very important and even if you do have a good story, you'll still be met with a lot of suspicion.

The Russian girls you meet outside of Russia are usually middle class, especially the past year since the exchange rate adjustment. If you're looking for the same experience in Russia itself, you'll probably only find it in Moscow. The downside is that quality of life in that city isn't very good, especially if you like driving. It's a lot of fun to spend a month or two in Moscow though, especially during April-May or September-October when the weather is comfortable. You could use that time to get a lot of contacts then fly them to wherever you live... as I usually do in Winter.

[trainwreck]

(12-28-2015 04:54 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 03:19 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

It seems to me that even though we sometimes think that coming to Eastern Europe is the solution of all problems, many of us guys who have their shit together, aren't expected to be here. And simply the fact of me liking to spend time in a mid-tier Eastern European city when I'm clearly financially several leagues above the locals, makes you look suspicious to them. Seems to me that in Cosmopolitan cities such as Barcelona, Paris, Madrid, Berlin, Stockholm, London... you will still have a high % of expat girls that are exactly expecting to meet that type of guy there. Not in their (even though where I am isn't a shithole) shithole home place.

Very common in shitholes, especially in Ukraine because they can't understand why *anyone* would want to spend more than a week in their country. Giving a reason for being there is very important and even if you do have a good story, you'll still be met with a lot of suspicion.

The Russian girls you meet outside of Russia are usually middle class, especially the past year since the exchange rate adjustment. If you're looking for the same experience in Russia itself, you'll probably only find it in Moscow. The downside is that quality of life in that city isn't very good, especially if you like driving. It's a lot of fun to spend a month or two in Moscow though, especially during April-May or September-October when the weather is comfortable. You could use that time to get a lot of contacts then fly them to wherever you live... as I usually do in Winter.

That's a great way to handle these issues. Actually, I'm having a close friend move to SPB in the Spring so I'm in the process of getting a 1 year multiple entry visa done. I'm trying to get my Russian back going by learning 30 mins a day and trying to talk to my russian friend here daily, but I'm doubtful that it will be good enough to game by the time summer arrives. Would I find a good looking girls in Moscow that speak English? I know overall the percentage won't be too high, but in a city as big as moscow, the sheer number will still be high, even if they would only be 10%? Especially, since it seems like most good English speakers I meet outside of Russia are either from SPB or MOW

I have a reason for being here, which is low taxes and easy entrepreneurship but I am starting to think that even this explanation is too complicated for them to understand. Especially since all the tax advantages here are for entrepreneurs, while the average worker has a quite effective high tax rate, lol

[The Beast1]

Trainwreck,

If you don't mind me asking, what type of relationship do you want? It's been awhile and I skimmed the first page. I just want to make sure your goals aren't the same.

Do you want a LTR and then marriage?

Or do you want to play the field?

You sound like a guy that is 100% on lock with his life. Honestly that is very respectable. Let us know what your goals are.

[Phoenix]

(12-28-2015 03:19 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

I have noticed one thing about women here in Eastern Europe (where I am Isn't russia tho). They are all extremely afraid and insecure. They rather will go for the boring college guy that provides them with security and one cinema date a week. As soon as they realize that I travel quite a bit, have enough money for ages, they somehow are attracted to it, but then rationalize away that I can just leave in any moments notice and leave them with nothing.

I've had a girl that would be in fact so crazy intimidated by my presence that she would barely innitiate conversation, because she'd be too afraid to fuck it up with me. And I'm not an intimidating guy at all when it comes to physical stature or behavior. A female friend just told me that I'm simply such a prize for them that for most of them they see me as "out of their league".

Surely if 'being such a catch' is the problem, you can just tone it down?

One trick Scotch mentioned in the Japan thread is having an 'alter ego', who he called Benjamin. He mentioned that Benjamin, who claimed to be 1/4 Japanese (Scotch is just white, but they bought it), had a better success rate than Scotch because it's somehow more legitimate to them than just banging an 'outsider'.

Also we have the locally famous example of LINUX, who's lying reaches new heights, both in boldness (having a MRI scan with him to back up his doctor story) and comprehensive story-line. Given how all of this adds into his success, which as he reported this year was just epic, it makes me suspect that honesty was just another life-damaging piece of 'advice' handed down by elders. The honest men get to enjoy orbiting girls; the dishonest men get to enjoy smashing bulk pussy.

Perhaps you could try a similar fake story?
- Your grandfather is Russian, he lives in the city you're currently in, and he doesn't have many years to live so you want to spend time with him. Take a picture with some old Russia guy who looks a bit like you, and keep it on your phone as backup. You could even claim he is handing his family business over to you, and you're modernizing it. Plausibility done.
- You're not a traveler. You've spent your entire life in one western city, with occasional annual holidays.
- You have a comfortable amount of money, but not big money. Dial this into the sweet spot between 'intimidated' and 'unimpressed'.

[joost]

I understand completely how a girl start rationalizing when she meet a successful man and play the "semi-virgin-innocent-gf material" card.

Having money gives you access to a lot of entertainment. If you have game you can exploit that without girls looking at you as a bank or as a money-tree. The secret is knowing where to connect with girls. Having money make that problem, easier.

Stay in hostels. Even if you have an apartment nearby, just say to the clerk you're doing some reforms and need to stay out of your place for a few days. Being a local can give you some advantages like knowing where to go and giving "good advice" as to what nightclubs/pubs/bars/etc go at night. I did that for two weeks. Almost everyday a new group of girls arrived. It was easy to pick them up since you were already "connected" to the group before the drinking.
Banging girls in the hostel is problematic. If you can't be direct about taking a girl to a motel, say you can take her to some apartment that belongs to some person who gave you the key to rent it for tourists. "luckily it's vacant". Bang the girl till you want and when you feel bored, say you have to show the apartment and kick her out.

Pensions. Something like ten years ago I lived in some old but big house with 30 rooms in some metropolitan area next to universities. Mostly students (=young girls) lived there. At night, we used to party inside the place. There was many guys who knew how to play some instruments so we had live music constantly. It was fun. During that period I fucked more chicks than I had fucked in my entire life before. It was a great experience. I was a foreigner so I had advantage against other men in the house so I ended up making some enemies. It was easy because you could take the girl to your room and nobody (staff) gave a fuck since you rented the room and weren't bringing people from outside. My advice is to not bring valuables (laptops, expensive watches...) since it can be stolen and nobody will be responsible.

Art and Acting classes. Let's be real, who goes there are spoiled young students who have no idea what to do who happens to have wealthy parents. A friend of mine is an actor (her girlfriend is an actress who's on some TV show). The quality of women is impressive. They're all cool and easy to fuck and not LTR. Don't show you have money or you'll be the "capitalist pig" in the room. Most of the men will be bisexual and you'll have no idea who's gay so avoid any comment or prejudice.

Go to many courses, specially the short ones. You'll be able to meet new people constantly and maybe connect.

[trainwreck]

(12-29-2015 04:36 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Trainwreck,

If you don't mind me asking, what type of relationship do you want? It's been awhile and I skimmed the first page. I just want to make sure your goals aren't the same.

Do you want a LTR and then marriage?

Or do you want to play the field?

You sound like a guy that is 100% on lock with his life. Honestly that is very respectable. Let us know what your goals are.

I wouldn't mind finding a cool chick I could settle down with. I'm pretty much close to having banged 100 women and I'm starting to get tired of the whole chase. Also, there's many trips I'd love to do that I don't really wanna do by myself or just a fuckbuddy. Including a roadtrip through Italy this summer. So yeah, if I'd find a girl who I'd rate an 8 or above and who would be cool and "normal", I wouldn't mind settling down.

It's kind of a funny problem to have. You're doing too well to be considered attainable long term for these women. Funny enough I connect decently with models here and have now made friends with a guy who runs a minor agency in town but unfortunately he'll be out of town for NYE when I'm throwing a huge house party (thanks for the tip guys, that tip has gotten me some sick bangs but still none of them I'd wife up). I guess I connect well with the models, even the wannabe ones, because they're used to constant travelling and they're used to high value guys. But the one that wanted me as an LTR was starting to become an energy vampire with no ambition in life, so I told her I'd rather not pursue that option.

I understand that I might sound like a total idiot here, but I am now writing my goals for 2016 and I think that by this time next year, I want to have decent conversational level in Russian and also would want to have moved my base to Barcelona. I don't see myself being happy here long term.

I have two oder buddies with their own businesses and who are well travelled. They are having the exact same issue. Meanwhile my other 2 friends who are in the same financial league have girlfriends. One met his girlfriend while waiting at the airport and the other met his girlfriend during a night out. It's not impossible. But everyone in my friendcircle agrees that it's easy to fuck around here, and extremely difficult to find someone you'd wife up. Not because of their beauty, but because of their insecurity and the lack of brains at some times (drinking at 13 is quite common here.. so I guess that contributes to it)

[DaveR]

(12-28-2015 08:23 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

That's a great way to handle these issues. Actually, I'm having a close friend move to SPB in the Spring so I'm in the process of getting a 1 year multiple entry visa done. I'm trying to get my Russian back going by learning 30 mins a day and trying to talk to my russian friend here daily, but I'm doubtful that it will be good enough to game by the time summer arrives. Would I find a good looking girls in Moscow that speak English? I know overall the percentage won't be too high, but in a city as big as moscow, the sheer number will still be high, even if they would only be 10%? Especially, since it seems like most good English speakers I meet outside of Russia are either from SPB or MOW

I have a reason for being here, which is low taxes and easy entrepreneurship but I am starting to think that even this explanation is too complicated for them to understand. Especially since all the tax advantages here are for entrepreneurs, while the average worker has a quite effective high tax rate, lol

I usually speak Russian in Russia, so I can't really say first-hand, but the impression I get from others is that the level of English is higher in Moscow.
I've recently started to ask girls about their language abilities, though. It makes sense to ensure they can speak English or the language of whichever country you're planning to visit. Otherwise they won't be able to have a conversation with anyone and they'll end up driving you insane. Translating conversations and signs all day becomes tiring real fast. I guess that is another advantage to picking up Russian girls who are already abroad.

Giving a cover story is very easy in Russia: you can say that you decided to learn Russian for a few years. That's usually enough to convince them that you're not a tourist and won't bang them and disappear the next day. If they ask why you chose Russian, telling them that it's a "prestigious" language in Europe really impresses them - "Знание русского языка считается очень престижным в Европе."
It doesn't work in the Baltics and Ukraine because the Estonian/Latvian/Ukrainian speakers get offended and the Russians ask why you didn't go to Russia.


Quick rundown on visas. I've been meaning to do this for a long time:

Multi-entry business visas offer a lot of flexibility, but they can be problematic if you're planning to spend a long time in Russia. They can only be used for 90 days out of any 180-day period, so if you arrive and stay for three months, you won't be able to stay for the next three months while you wait for the clock to reset. Basically, they give you permission to stay for up to half of any six-month period.

If you wish to spend more than 90 days in Russia, you can use 90-day double-entry business visas, which aren't subject to the 90/180 day rule. However, you'll have to apply for a new visa four times per year (each 90 days). Processing usually takes 2-3 days for EU citizens applying anywhere in the EU, depending on where you apply.

Note for American citizens: you can get a 3-year tourist or business visa which will allow you to stay for up to 180 days. To reset the clock, you only need to travel outside of Russia for one day. You're not subject to the 90/180 day restriction if travelling on a 3-year visa. Again, this only applies to US passport holders.

Keep in mind that once you have a visa in your passport, you'll be somewhat "locked in". The reason is that the consulates don't like to issue new visas in passports which already have unexpired visas in them. If you need to change visas, let me know and I'll put you in contact with someone who can arrange it.
If you have two or more passports, make sure that none of your visas overlap, because that can result in a 5-year entry ban. For whatever reason, the FSB considers it a very serious offence.

Don't forget that you have to register each time you enter Russia. The easiest way is to get the inviting company to do it (the company which issued your visa invitation). They'll need a scan of your visa, passport 'face' page and migration card.


Other visa options for staying more than 90 days:

- study visas arranged through a universities or Liden & Denz (the only private language school that can arrange official study visas as far as I know). These can be a pain in the ass for registration, and they sometimes need to keep your passport for 30 days while they

- register a company and hire yourself as director. The work visa process is easy as long as your salary is at least 167000 Roubles per month (€2100 at today's rate). You'll have to pay 13% tax on that amount but the good news is that there are no other taxes (social and health insurance, pensions, etc.).

- residence permits, but I don't recommend them because the bureaucracy is difficult and you can get yourself banned if you make a mistake. They're also subject to cancellation if you spend more than half of the year outside of Russia.

(12-29-2015 04:52 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Surely if 'being such a catch' is the problem, you can just tone it down?

Easy to do if only banging 1-2 times, but very difficult if you plan to keep them around for more than a couple of weeks. They'll eventually see your car, house/apartment, etc.

[Phoenix]

(12-29-2015 10:38 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 04:52 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Surely if 'being such a catch' is the problem, you can just tone it down?

Easy to do if only banging 1-2 times, but very difficult if you plan to keep them around for more than a couple of weeks. They'll eventually see your car, house/apartment, etc.

But he's talking about getting to the bang, right? If you've already got the bang, it seems odd that the girl would then walk away because she found out you were rich. But I wouldn't really be in a position to know, still working on the getting rich part .

[asdfk]

You want to leverage your net worth to get more pussy. Although I enjoyed reading the answers above, I see two possible solutions.

1. Move to a country with a better mating market. Fly to somewhere else where your sexual value is higher. This is the easiest way to use your high net worth to get more ass.

2. You seem to imply that being rich should lead to more pussy. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. At all. I've hanged out with rich dudes who were going out every night and my conversion was way better. That's because I invested some of my earnings (I'm not rich) in the right training, and because I am incredibly determined. Game beats money. Bot money can afford you game, if it gets you access to a trainer who can help you achieve the results you want. There's always a guy out there teaching you to fuck more nights a week then you are doing right now. Find him and pay him to teach you.

I can not comment on throwing around money to attract attention but it seems pretty painful to do it like that.

With regard to you saying that your wealth turns them into good girls... No man, it is your game.

[Apollo21]

Bro, you have a successful online venture and want to find a quality girl in Europe to marry?

This should be easy and fun. One you need to advertise online and build a funnel of quality girls that you want to meet.
and Two you need to think like your "customers"...act like a normal guy with modest means...even if you own two supercars
and a GQ bachelor pad doesn't mean you have to "culture shock" the girls you're dating.

In this rare instance, telling girls that you are wealthy is a weakness, a barrier and not a strength.
Tone it down. Don't bring them to the Luxury Bachelor Pad and don't "shock" them with displays of wealth.

To them, you're just an average guy with a pretty "good" job who can afford a few nice things now and again...

They don't have to know that you're wealthy. It takes years to adopt a wealthy mindset...even for entrepreneurs...
so don't force it on a girl who hasn't gone through all the steps needed to accept wealth mentally.

Instead, use your wealth to create opportunities for yourself that go way beyond just meeting one dimensional models
so you can start to meet real women who have a lot more substance and depth.

Turn it into an online marketing problem that can be solved with advertising to find ideal prospects.

[booshala]

Kind of identify with the OP but I see this phenomenon as a positive: I have a relatively successful business in a working class town in SoCal so I make a lot more money than the average Joe in the area. Stuff that seemed "regular working professional" shit in LA is a big deal to these girls and in my experience, it's made them much more pliant and willing to please.

Most of the time, I'm pretty low-key on first dates, so we usually just end up getting happy hour drinks at a bar. Drop $50 like it's not a big deal and it kind of raises their eyebrows. But once they see what I'm driving or come back to my place - and as trainwreck says - you can see the shift between, "Oh I'm having fun with this guy" to "damn, this guy's got resources" almost immediately. But unlike the OP, I like how it basically ensures that I have the upper hand in just about every interaction with her. It's like playing Contra on easy mode... don't even need the Konami code to wreck shit.

Relayed on another thread that I sort of wanted to settle down and find a good girl, but I'm starting to rethink that mentality and am probably going to ride this out for the time being. The hardest part I've found is making the time to actually chase as I work 80+ hours a week. Probably going to set something up on seekingarrangement as well to see how it plays out.