[Deluge]

(11-19-2014 02:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

There’s also a few people of South Asian descent in US popular music, like Jay Sean and MIA. A lot of people don’t even know they’re South Asian.

Not sure if srs.

(11-19-2014 04:40 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

Jesse is a wimp. The only cool and masculine seeming guy from Simple Pickup is Kong, even though he's a Youtube clown. If all Asian dudes were like him they wouldn't have any problems.

[WalterBlack]

(11-19-2014 08:38 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 02:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

There’s also a few people of South Asian descent in US popular music, like Jay Sean and MIA. A lot of people don’t even know they’re South Asian.

You would be surprised. I’ve heard a few Americans get shocked when I tell them Jay Sean is Indian.

As for MIA: Down With The Brown? Celebrities Who Look Black…But Aren’t

Quote:

M.I.A.

Topping the charts with her songs, M.I.A. has made a name for herself in the music industry. Though she got flack for giving the finger at the Super Bowl this year, this Sri Lankan artist from West London solidified her star when she was nominated for an Academy Award and two Grammys.

[Cobra]

Yeah that brand image stuff is BS. Bojangles is on point.

A white guy or any guy that "believes" in his charisma will exhibit it more often.

An ethnic guy that believes the same should be able to m

(11-19-2014 12:00 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Do you know what brand image is?

You might claim you are a smart buyer who doesn't get caught up with that brand thing and don't pay any extra $$ but I am sure you are just like everyone else.
When you think about some brand/product, you will have a certain image going on in your head. that Positive image will push you to purchase that product.

Your race is part of branding
Your skin color is part of branding.
Your accent is part of branding
Your physical shape is part of branding
Your face is part of branding
And the list goes on and on........

Who said race thing is 100%? but it's a big major factor.

By the way, I was just trying to say as a 2nd generation indian, you can't claim (just in my opinion. please ignore if you don't agree) you are British like, let's say, that William who have british ancestors who lived there thousands years.

Let's just make it simple. when people ask 'where are you from', do they want to know what passport you have or it's usually about your race?

(11-18-2014 11:07 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:38 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

I don't know what 'My parents are from India but I am British since I was born there' means.

You can say you are British all you want but that's not what majority of people will think.

When they think about British, they think about Buckingham palace, British aristocrats with that white wigs, British army who conquered world (like the officer guy from Patriot movie), Beatles, Hugh Grant, James Bond etc.

Do you see any indians in those? They were not part of this at all. You can not claim all this heritage just because you were born there.

When girls want to Bang British, they want to Bang That Heritage.

It's like this Asian family immigrated to U.S. This kid was born and lived here his whole life. Can he brag about how Americans put a guy on the moon blah blah?

I think it's fine as long as you acknowledge people you were born in England and your parents are from India when asked.

I met couple indian girls and was curious about their race. (could be persian, arab or even latina) So I can talk about certain things depending on their race.
They just kept saying 'I am Australian or I am British'

I'm not sure you're a 100% there. You're assuming girls bang based on skin color, but they could bang based on accent or sense of style too. I think race is a factor white girls aren't as open= to ethnic guys but it's not a 100%. Too much generalization maybe?

Maybe tell us what types of girls and experience you're basing this on aside from the Indian girls you talk about.

[Cobra]

You're still not 100% about what branding means. Game is not a bunch of exclusive aspects that you can put together. Charisma is what is most important. It's the glue that holds all the other aspects you noted together. Bojangles is on point.

A white guy or any guy that "believes" in his charisma will exhibit it more often and sees success as a result of it.

An ethnic guy that believes the same should be able to maneuver himself in the same way but it will take him longer to shed the social programming that causes disbelief.

The race stuff is a source of that disbelief. Something that melts the glue of charisma if you will. It breaks everything else apart. For example, dressing well and still believing in this shit will make you feel less dressed as much as make you feel like your accent doesn't matter even if it's perfect.

(11-19-2014 12:00 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Do you know what brand image is?

You might claim you are a smart buyer who doesn't get caught up with that brand thing and don't pay any extra $$ but I am sure you are just like everyone else.
When you think about some brand/product, you will have a certain image going on in your head. that Positive image will push you to purchase that product.

Your race is part of branding
Your skin color is part of branding.
Your accent is part of branding
Your physical shape is part of branding
Your face is part of branding
And the list goes on and on........

Who said race thing is 100%? but it's a big major factor.

By the way, I was just trying to say as a 2nd generation indian, you can't claim (just in my opinion. please ignore if you don't agree) you are British like, let's say, that William who have british ancestors who lived there thousands years.

Let's just make it simple. when people ask 'where are you from', do they want to know what passport you have or it's usually about your race?

(11-18-2014 11:07 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:38 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

I don't know what 'My parents are from India but I am British since I was born there' means.

You can say you are British all you want but that's not what majority of people will think.

When they think about British, they think about Buckingham palace, British aristocrats with that white wigs, British army who conquered world (like the officer guy from Patriot movie), Beatles, Hugh Grant, James Bond etc.

Do you see any indians in those? They were not part of this at all. You can not claim all this heritage just because you were born there.

When girls want to Bang British, they want to Bang That Heritage.

It's like this Asian family immigrated to U.S. This kid was born and lived here his whole life. Can he brag about how Americans put a guy on the moon blah blah?

I think it's fine as long as you acknowledge people you were born in England and your parents are from India when asked.

I met couple indian girls and was curious about their race. (could be persian, arab or even latina) So I can talk about certain things depending on their race.
They just kept saying 'I am Australian or I am British'

I'm not sure you're a 100% there. You're assuming girls bang based on skin color, but they could bang based on accent or sense of style too. I think race is a factor white girls aren't as open= to ethnic guys but it's not a 100%. Too much generalization maybe?

Maybe tell us what types of girls and experience you're basing this on aside from the Indian girls you talk about.

[bojangles]

Intriguing thing is watching that Rishi Rich video, I used to actively disassociate myself from Indian music whether it was Bollywood or the UK when I was blue pill.

Now I don't care and I actually enjoy some of it.

[zidhai89]

(11-19-2014 11:29 AM)Arado Wrote:  

Her: Where are you from?
Me: America
Her: Oh, I thought you were Indian
Me (is this the best response?): My _____(insert ancestor here) was Indian but I was born in the US.
Her: Oh, do you have family in India? Have you been there? (continuous stream of Indian related questions)
Me: (best response?) Hmmm, you're really curious about Indian aren't you...have you ever been to (name hotspot city in the US that I'm from)?

Ha ha.

No offense man but this is really funny. It must be annoying for you if you don't relate to that side of yourself.

I get asked a ton of questions about India too but I'm from the mainland and while I dislike talking about India time and time again I don't mind rolling with it for a bit.

Your whole switching the topic just seems so incongruent. She seems interested in something about you yet you aren't interested in talking about it. What would you do if one of these girls started talking to you about Bollywood? Flip it to whether interstellar was garbage getting a easy ride because Nolan has his name attached to it. I don't think that would work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pNBN78Q054

(11-19-2014 11:29 AM)Arado Wrote:  

Her: Where are you from?
Me: America
Her: No way! You're from India
Me: ?

This is curious. Unless you've given them your name I wonder how they're able to be spot on. I can understand British women being able to spot subtle differences because Indian culture is so mainstream there but otherwise it's pretty strange.


I didn't really read most of what else you wrote because (again, no offense) the responses just seemed so terribly bland. 'Do you tell this to all Indian guys you meet?'. Lighten up, it's a joke.

The bottom part of your post is even more bizarre. Unless the girl is racist they really won't have a problem dating outside their nationality. You say Asian girls are the hardest but I think it is actually the opposite.

Indian guys in general are not attracted to Asians the way Caucasians are. An Indian guy approaching a Asian girl provided he's confident has the whole 'white tiger' effect going on for him. The presence of a population known as 'Chindian' in Malaysia and Singapore born almost exclusively to Indian fathers and Chinese mothers seems to point in this direction.

[kaotic]

^^^^Those questions above seemed like IOI's to me, why not embrace it ? Then neg them with "oh, you should travel more..." or something like that.

Those are great openers to make a girl laugh and become intrigued. I've been asked this before and I always make them guess, make a semi-deprecating joke, and move on from there.

I haven't been asked directly what I was in the beginning of a convo in a long time.

It's probably my attitude, beard, and body language that mask it, but I'm pretty fucking white washed lol.

[Cobra]

^^^ semi depreciating is cool aka "Hi, my name is mowgli"

[future]

(11-19-2014 02:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I can’t name a single 100% East Asian person who’s made it as a lead singer in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury

[Deluge]

(11-20-2014 11:25 PM)future Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 02:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I can’t name a single 100% East Asian person who’s made it as a lead singer in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury

Freddie Mercury was Indian.

[bojangles]

I think future got confused hahaha

How many people think Ben Kingsley is Indian? Freida Pinto? Noureen DeWolf?

[future]

(11-21-2014 07:11 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

I think future got confused hahaha

Ah, so east asian does *not* mean Indian. Got it.

[bojangles]

(11-21-2014 07:46 AM)future Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 07:11 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

I think future got confused hahaha

Ah, so east asian does *not* mean Indian. Got it.

South Asian - Indian
East Asian - 'Oriental'
South East Asian - Malaysia/Indonesia/Thailand etc

Generally

[Arado]

(11-20-2014 02:13 PM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:29 AM)Arado Wrote:  

Her: Where are you from?
Me: America
Her: Oh, I thought you were Indian
Me (is this the best response?): My _____(insert ancestor here) was Indian but I was born in the US.
Her: Oh, do you have family in India? Have you been there? (continuous stream of Indian related questions)
Me: (best response?) Hmmm, you're really curious about Indian aren't you...have you ever been to (name hotspot city in the US that I'm from)?

Ha ha.

No offense man but this is really funny. It must be annoying for you if you don't relate to that side of yourself.

I get asked a ton of questions about India too but I'm from the mainland and while I dislike talking about India time and time again I don't mind rolling with it for a bit.

Your whole switching the topic just seems so incongruent. She seems interested in something about you yet you aren't interested in talking about it. What would you do if one of these girls started talking to you about Bollywood? Flip it to whether interstellar was garbage getting a easy ride because Nolan has his name attached to it. I don't think that would work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pNBN78Q054

(11-19-2014 11:29 AM)Arado Wrote:  

Her: Where are you from?
Me: America
Her: No way! You're from India
Me: ?

This is curious. Unless you've given them your name I wonder how they're able to be spot on. I can understand British women being able to spot subtle differences because Indian culture is so mainstream there but otherwise it's pretty strange.


I didn't really read most of what else you wrote because (again, no offense) the responses just seemed so terribly bland. 'Do you tell this to all Indian guys you meet?'. Lighten up, it's a joke.

The bottom part of your post is even more bizarre. Unless the girl is racist they really won't have a problem dating outside their nationality. You say Asian girls are the hardest but I think it is actually the opposite.

Indian guys in general are not attracted to Asians the way Caucasians are. An Indian guy approaching a Asian girl provided he's confident has the whole 'white tiger' effect going on for him. The presence of a population known as 'Chindian' in Malaysia and Singapore born almost exclusively to Indian fathers and Chinese mothers seems to point in this direction.

Yeah, I don't really relate to that side. I don't speak Hindi and can't stand most Bollywood movies. You're saying I should take those as IOIs and look at them as good responses? There's a difference between rolling with a conversation and being a monkey for a cultural fetishist, which is something I'm trying to avoid. If someone says "are you good at math," what is a cool, socially suave way to respond? It's easier said than done actually, and I'd rather have a good response in the pocket instead of trying to think of something witty on the spot. If someone is badgering me with India related questions, what is a good way to transition the conversation towards topics that I can demonstrate value as an individual rather than be a source of entertainment.

Given all the anti-Indian pro Western sentiment on this thread, now you're saying that I should roll with the questions and not focus on my American nationality? Get your story straight.

Now you're saying Asian women like Indian men while everyone else posting here says Asians don't like Indians? Get you're story straight people. Yeah, I know there are a decent amount that wouldn't mind an Indian guy but I'd rather have additional access to all the girls that wouldn't date an Indian dude but would date an American one. So, again, what are some good responses. Is this really that hard? I've done fine with Asian women, but only when they are looking at me as an individual and not projecting all their ideas about India onto me. I'm looking to expand my horizons to those who would originally be closed off but can be changed with solid frame.

[zidhai89]

(11-21-2014 11:31 AM)Arado Wrote:  

Yeah, I don't really relate to that side. I don't speak Hindi and can't stand most Bollywood movies.

Lol, I don't speak a word of Hindi either. I'm from the south and I don't like the escapism of Bollywood movies for the most part.

(11-21-2014 11:31 AM)Arado Wrote:  

someone says "are you good at math," what is a cool, socially suave way to respond?

Je ne sais pas. Respond however you want but again no offense what you were posting earlier came of as uptight and prickly. If you want specific game advice heaven knows there are better people to ask. In my honest opinion it all comes down to this.

(11-21-2014 11:31 AM)Arado Wrote:  

If someone is badgering me with India related questions, what is a good way to transition the conversation towards topics that I can demonstrate value as an individual rather than be a source of entertainment.

You don't have to demonstrate anything to anyone. Just relax, let it flow and if you truly are a high value individual it will come out naturally.

(11-21-2014 11:31 AM)Arado Wrote:  

Given all the anti-Indian pro Western sentiment on this thread, now you're saying that I should roll with the questions and not focus on my American nationality? Get your story straight.

This forum is western oriented and most people in the West don't really know anything about the East much less understand it. You're American and Indian and I'm sure you've been to India at least a couple of times. When they ask you about India speak about it and then move on.

'Cultural fetishists' as you so eloquently put will want to talk about Indian culture. It is inevitable and has a lot of great points to it.

Business oriented women will want to know about the wealth and capital that is flowing back East to China and India.

I don't need to go on but you get the picture. You refusing to talk about it is basically shooting yourself in the foot.

(11-21-2014 11:31 AM)Arado Wrote:  

Now you're saying Asian women like Indian men while everyone else posting here says Asians don't like Indians?

Believe what you want but like I said the presence of a 'chindian' population born to mostly Indian fathers and Chinese mothers, the extract from a great literary author who explains why Indian cinema is followed so avidly in some reigons of the world all point in the other direction. Whenever iv'e gone to South East Asia the responses have mostly been along the line of 'Indian?, wow' followed by a few questions on India and then wherever I decide to take the conversation.

[Jazzman92]

@Deluge

You know what now that I think about it you have a very solid point. My cousin has a darker complexion and shaves his head. Even though he's punjabi people often think hes black or trinidadian or west indian etc. Ever since I can remember as a kid he's slayed hot white women. He even married an attractive white girl with a great personality (cooks, cleans, takes care of kid).

One thing though is that amongst other indian people the darker skin is considered unattractive. I remember as a kid my entire family would always make fun of his darker complexion and he would laugh it off. I asked him why and he told me "you know how many white girls ive banged because of my chocolate complexion"

[WalterBlack]

(11-21-2014 11:31 AM)Arado Wrote:  

Now you're saying Asian women like Indian men while everyone else posting here says Asians don't like Indians? Get you're story straight people. Yeah, I know there are a decent amount that wouldn't mind an Indian guy but I'd rather have additional access to all the girls that wouldn't date an Indian dude but would date an American one. So, again, what are some good responses. Is this really that hard? I've done fine with Asian women, but only when they are looking at me as an individual and not projecting all their ideas about India onto me. I'm looking to expand my horizons to those who would originally be closed off but can be changed with solid frame.

In my experience most east-Asian women are not into Indian men, but there’s enough that are open to the possibility of getting banged by one.

I’m repeating myself here, but with the frame thing – don’t come across as a thirsty Indian. I’ve banged a few east-Asian women who have straight up said to me they don’t like Indian men, but because I’m from UK and I come across as British, they’re fine with me.

For East (Asian) women and Indian men, it depends on myriad factors:

• If she’s a FOB, does her homeland have many Indians? Did she grow up with Indians? Malaysian-Chinese and Singaporean- Chinese grow up around Indian guys, so they’re pretty comfortable with them.
• How familiar is she with Indian people? Does she work with lots of Indians or have Indian friends? I’ve banged a few Chinese-American women who had Indian friends.
• Has she dated Indian men before? I remember meeting a Vietnamese-American lady from OKCupid once. She told me she wanted to meet me because her ex was Indian.
• Was she raised with negative or incorrect stereotypes of Indian people? I’ve been asked dumb shit like if I can have 4 wives or if I marry my cousins before.
• If she's US/Canada born and raised - what kind of social circles does she run in? If all of her friends are Asian, there's not a good chance. If she's very liberal, or her family has been in the US a few generations, she may be open to Indian men.
• How in touch with their parents' culture are they, and how knowledgeable are you about their cultures? I’ve been to China and Japan, I speak a few words of Mandarin and Japanese. I know a lot of the most well known Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Thai restaurants in Los Angeles. A lot of East-Asians love food, so they love it when I say I’ve been to places in San Gabriel Valley to eat.
• Is she whitewashed? Treat her like a white girl and don't mention anything about Asian culture.
  

(11-21-2014 03:59 PM)Jazzman92 Wrote:  

@Deluge

You know what now that I think about it you have a very solid point. My cousin has a darker complexion and shaves his head. Even though he's punjabi people often think hes black or trinidadian or west indian etc. Ever since I can remember as a kid he's slayed hot white women. He even married an attractive white girl with a great personality (cooks, cleans, takes care of kid).

One thing though is that amongst other indian people the darker skin is considered unattractive. I remember as a kid my entire family would always make fun of his darker complexion and he would laugh it off. I asked him why and he told me "you know how many white girls ive banged because of my chocolate complexion"

Darker skin is definitely considered unattractive amongst Punjabis. I don’t think non-Indians care that much about how dark you are, but a very light skinned Indian man can kill with Indian and middle eastern women.

Have you noticed that Indian men almost always marry a lighter skinned woman?

[speakeasy]

(11-21-2014 12:36 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:25 PM)future Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 02:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I can’t name a single 100% East Asian person who’s made it as a lead singer in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury

Freddie Mercury was Indian.

James Iha, ex-guitarist of the Smashing Pumpkins is the closest I can think of. He went solo.

Does Yoko Ono count?

[Jazzman92]

(11-21-2014 05:44 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

[quote='Arado' pid='886248' dateline='1416587477']

In my experience most east-Asian women are not into Indian men


Have you noticed that Indian men almost always marry a lighter skinned woman?

Well at least a man of value generally doesn't.

Funny story about east asian and indian men. My uncle took me to a strip club recently and while I was there I saw a Sikh man with a turban and beard, wearing a hello kitty t-shirt and making out with his asian girlfriend. I guess life is always full of surprises

[WalterBlack]

(11-21-2014 06:53 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 12:36 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:25 PM)future Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 02:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I can’t name a single 100% East Asian person who’s made it as a lead singer in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury

Freddie Mercury was Indian.

James Iha, ex-guitarist of the Smashing Pumpkins is the closest I can think of. He went solo.

Does Yoko Ono count?

James Iha - I had to Google him to find out who he is.

Yoko Ono was more famous for being married to John Lennon than as a musician.

(11-21-2014 07:11 PM)Jazzman92 Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 05:44 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Have you noticed that Indian men almost always marry a lighter skinned woman?

Well at least a man of value generally doesn't.

I totally disagree – probably 80% of Indian men with Indian wives that I’ve ever seen, has a lighter skinned wife. They come from all different incomes.

[El Chinito loco]

If you want to find asian girls who are down for the brown your best bet is the ultra-westernized asian-american ones. The primary issue is personality, a lot of them are very insecure white girls stuck in asian bodies which can be good or bad depending on how you want to game them. Another downside is that these girls usually have loads of thirsty betas and quite a few alphas after them in the U.S., Canada, and U.K. as well. I don't know a single asian-american girl who was a 6 or above who didn't have many orbiter including those in tight social circles. Even the unattractive asian girls have many dudes of the entire rainbow checking them out. Asian inflation is a real thing in America because any girl who is thin and not totally repulsive face wise is already way above average in America.

My (fob) Thai girlfriend from about 10 years ago studying in CA got all sorts of thirsty attention even in a place like LA that is full of eyecandy. She would be considered a 7 borderline 8 in Thailand, the type of middle class girl that is sexy but wouldn't totally stand out in a place like Thonglor or an RCA club. Yet in America she was getting almost model reactions from people. I haven't hit the CA nightlife in a long time but I bet with asian girls being the "it" thing in the U.S. it's even worse now.

[WalterBlack]

^^^^^

East Asian women are nowhere near as popular in the UK as they are in the US. “Asian inflation” is huge in Los Angeles, but as I’ve said on other threads I never met a guy (of any colour) in the UK who liked east Asian women more than others, whereas in LA it’s pretty common.

Some FOB Mainland Chinese women can be banged by Indian men if he speaks a little bit of Mandarin and/or knows a lot about their food or culture. They love it when a non-Chinese speaks Mandarin.

[Saladin]

I remember this one Indian PUA in Toronto... he wasn't the most fashionable guy, and seemed somewhat FOBbish, however he was tall and had decent game.

I saw him on a date with a very cute tall Japanese girl.

I'm not that into Asian girls.... but I've seen cute FOB Asian girls with brown guys. In terms of westernized Asian girls, a decent number seem open to a good looking brown guy with game.

[Hector_St_Clare]

(11-21-2014 12:36 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:25 PM)future Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 02:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I can’t name a single 100% East Asian person who’s made it as a lead singer in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury

Freddie Mercury was Indian.

Well, sort of.

He was born in Africa and his ancestry was Persian, they just happened to live in India for a few centuries. (Parsees are an extremely endogamous community, so I doubt they mixed much with native Indians).

[Fighting888]

Re: Singapore Interethnic Marriage Rates

There were 3,865 grooms interethnic marriages in Singapore in the year 2013.

Of those marriages, 460 involved Indian grooms. This is 11.9% of all interethnic marriages. Of Singapore residents, 9.1% are of Indian origin.

So while it would be fair to say that Indian men are more likely to intermarry than other Singaporean ethnicities, it's a vast exaggeration to claim that "most" Singaporean interethnic marriages involve Indians.

Here's a more interesting statistic.

There were 508 Singaporean interethnic marriages between Chinese-Singaporean women and Caucasian-Singaporean men. There were 164 interethnic marriages between Indian-Singaporean men and Chinese-Singaporean women. Given that Indians outnumber Caucasians by a factor of 7x in Singapore, that implies that Caucasian men are 21.7x more likely to intermarry (with Chinese women) than Indian men in Singapore.

I'd call that quite a disparity.

In 2013, 48 Indian-Singaporean women married Caucasian-Singaporean men. 34 Indian-Singaporean men married Caucasian-Singaporean women.

6.7% of grooms married in Singapore in 2013 were of Indian origin, despite Indians comprising 9.1% of the Singaporean population. This seems to imply that Indian-Singaporean men have a lower overall marriage rate than the generation population.


Interestingly, the statistics also show that Muslim Indian-Singaporeans and Muslim Malay-Singaporeans (Separate statistics are kept for Muslims) have similar divorce rates. However, Muslim Indian-Singaporean divorces are 40% less likely to involve adultery.

This data was taken from the Singaporean government's Department of Statistics.