[AneroidOcean]

OkStudies, nothing against you personally, but I see some significant flaws in your argument.

(10-31-2014 06:13 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

So a guy with game will fuck 100 8+ women over a celebrity? Really? You allegedly know for a "fact" but it is all anecdotal. Dan Bilzerian (money/fame) has 900 chicks send him titty pics every week. Let that sink in for a minute.

Actually, that's not what he said. He said the below, which is NOT what you're stating. DistantLight has also posted videos with him with major celebrities and models. How is it anectdotal if he personally witnesses celebrities and their lack of game and being with lower quality women? Also, Dan Bilzerian is not your typical A-list celebrity. He has significantly more game than your average A-lister.

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Yep it's an opinion, it comes from personal experience, I know for a fact many of these 'A listers' aren't banging even 8's. They are rolling in 6's and 7's, if Gene Simmons fucked 4,800 5's, 6's and 7's, I don't think that would even compare to fucking 100 8's.

(10-31-2014 06:13 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

Here is the facts for you. All you have to do is visit the front page of any celeb gossip site and see most of the chicks you would typically find them with. Hint: They are not 5, 6, and 7's.

You're putting a celeb gossip site up as evidence of "facts?"

(10-31-2014 06:13 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

Distant light, guys like Charlie Sheen have harems of pornstar-hot women living with them (3 at any given time). I haven't even touched the surface.

Charlie Sheen is an absolute superstar with incredible wit and I'd say stronger game than most celebrities. You're pointing out some of the celebrities with the strongest game.

(10-31-2014 06:13 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

To make it even worse they don't even have to try. It just happens to them. It's an entirely different plane of existence from cold approaching models/networking. That works obviously, but come on, to get pussy thrown at you on autopilot is a minor superpower. Any decent celeb could get this if he wanted.

I disagree that they don't have to try, I do agree that they have a huge advantage.

[OkStudies]

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Actually, that's not what he said. He said the below, which is NOT what you're stating. DistantLight has also posted videos with him with major celebrities and models. How is it anectdotal if he personally witnesses celebrities and their lack of game and being with lower quality women? Also, Dan Bilzerian is not your typical A-list celebrity. He has significantly more game than your average A-lister.

I wasn't addressing Distant Light in that paragraph.

I mean, you don't have to look far for more examples. The thread topic itself is an example lol. I've thrown up a video (check my threads) of a D-list celeb with girls throwing themselves at him. This is a really stupid, pointless argument I am getting into.

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You're putting a celeb gossip site up as evidence of "facts?"
You're putting a celeb gossip site up as evidence of "facts?"

At least they have pictures (and sources). That's better than words on a screen. So yeah.

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Charlie Sheen is an absolute superstar with incredible wit and I'd say stronger game than most celebrities. You're pointing out some of the celebrities with the strongest game.

You know now that I think about it, it's pretty hard to actually find a celebrity *without* at least some game. Most of them have it. Like I said earlier they are interrelated. The process of becoming famous, especially as an actor, almost requires it.

The issue here is not whether or not game is effective, but whether game alone beats fame. The answer is simply no. Study up on evolutionary psychology for the answer to why.

[DVY]

OKStudies is an SF-hater (who lives in Oakland) and complains about not having hot women. I've tried giving him suggestions previously, but his negativity is palpable. I'd ignore him.

DL speaks truth. Nightlife connectors will always have more access than celebs. Girls like connectors and bring their girlfriends to "party", but celebs will never have girls bringing other competiton (girlfriends).

I had a date last night w/a Kazakh model. Airball. So I went out clubbing solo. I went to 1 club, but it was LA Jewish event. Pass. I dislike persian girls and Jewish-American Princesses.

Then I went to another club and ran into some promoters that I knew outside (random). Skipped line/comped entrance and setup at their table. Then I see my promoter friend who did BruinPartyLife and caught up w/him at a separate table (20+ women and him and his boy) and then ran into another promoter friend w/all his girls too (5-1 ratio).

A brief jaunt to the restroom and the club was 70% guys 30% girls, but at those tables it was flipped.

For most, clubbing is tactical hell but for some clubbing is strategic heaven.

Carry on boys!

[Distant Light]

(10-31-2014 08:28 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

Alright Distant Light, you've piqued my interest. When are you gonna drop a datasheet on this?

Although I can never publicly share indepth stuff, I did write about this "dying art" but yet to have shared it. (I'd probably be banned from certain venues and lose trust with a handful of friends who leverage this sort of thing to make money)

Thing is this whole scene tries to be very discreet (so "rich and famous" can do whatever they want) which is why bloggers were getting banned back when the tiger woods situation blew up and people started talking about how bottle girls "work it".

EDM going mainstream has killed the high end scene making THIS STUFF more of a sub-sub-niche. As much as "outsiders" considered it douchey, I found it AMAZING...
- Guaranteed to meet an abundance of gorgeous women (and they're willing to go MUCH WILDER if your willing to take it there)
- Super relaxed and discreet (tough to get in so you being in here means you're "ok"...If you're a guy more times than not you were a connector or had lots of disposable cash)
- More homely and "intimate" feeling (I used to go to 1 venue at 9pm just to have some "downtime")

This venue in video below holds the essence of the type of venues I love. I'm pretty sure if I ever go here it would instantly become my #1 venue in the world. (Located In Moscow) I'm 1000% sure if I was put in that venue I would KILL IT.

This alone is a dead giveaway, crazy chicks like her gravitate towards me... (Chicks in the background though, yessir!)

(10-31-2014 06:13 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

So a guy with game will fuck 100 8+ women over a celebrity? Really? You allegedly know for a "fact" but it is all anecdotal. Dan Bilzerian (money/fame) has 900 chicks send him titty pics every week. Let that sink in for a minute.

Here is the facts for you. All you have to do is visit the front page of any celeb gossip site and see most of the chicks you would typically find them with. Hint: They are not 5, 6, and 7's.

Distant light, guys like Charlie Sheen have harems of pornstar-hot women living with them (3 at any given time). I haven't even touched the surface.

To make it even worse they don't even have to try. It just happens to them. It's an entirely different plane of existence from cold approaching models/networking. That works obviously, but come on, to get pussy thrown at you on autopilot is a minor superpower. Any decent celeb could get this if he wanted.

Truly respect your opinion and thankful you pointed this stuff out...

I AGREE, a guy with "game" most likely wouldn't just due to the processes and certain dogmatic beliefs revolving around the community. HOWEVER, the understanding of "cold approach", if viewed as a TOOL it is possible to set things up in such a manner where it becomes rather easy.

Flipside though, although this is 100% subjective...

I don't think MOST OF sheen nor bieber girls are hot and compared to the women I've seen in the "high end" scene it would be the equivalent of them getting an average chick. (5 or 6)

NOTE, I don't want to get into my game but my pulls are very straight forward, haven't had LMR since 2012 and most of the time the "agreement" to have sex on average was within 5mins of interacting. (It's RARE I'd leave a party early just to go have sex, I legit like partying)

About Insane Lay Counts
The only way you have ridiculous lay counts in this realm is if you're banging across the board...What you gotta keep in mind though...

The high end scene is a filter for quality (above average) so even if you yourself bang "across the board" it's still going to be "majority" above average women. So this is ideal for most men.

HOWEVER, a sub-niche with russian-like face control (door policy) or incognito "soft opening" club the quality is top notch. (only personal "celebrity" friends have access)

I'm nitpicking here so I won't go too deep BUT once you experience your "ideal" type (For me it's 5'11 drop dread gorgeous european model types) it changes you. It's like a snob refusing to ever eat street food again, only because he was overexposed to what he loves the most. (Variety comes in the form of very specific physical aspects of women and personal fetish-like interests physically)

Those same girls people consider gorgeous that celebs are with are like 6s and 7s in these environments. I've witnessed girls I'm with say "wow so many tall girls" which translate to "wow so many girls hotter than me". This type of environment is becoming a rarity though BUT at one point I remember my favorite venue rejected pornstar chicks because they didn't make "the cut". (Inside though, they had pornstar-like chicks, just hotter than the actual pornstars.)

To be fair though, most guys I've found try to DATE or MARRY these gorgeous chicks and most of them are "behind the scenes" characters, cool male models, or unknown "cool" businessmen. (I don't think I've ever personally seen a celeb with such chicks and looking online their quality still varies heavily)

(10-31-2014 07:03 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

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You're putting a celeb gossip site up as evidence of "facts?"
You're putting a celeb gossip site up as evidence of "facts?"

At least they have pictures (and sources). That's better than words on a screen. So yeah.

I'd take all "celeb" news with a grain of salt (PR is a huge business)

I remember a story about a celeb and the shit that was being said made me think "What? I just saw them yesterday, they were at the table right next to me...clearly that's a lie/cover"

A recent story (month or so back) the particular person was at my friends house which made me think "She gets down like that!? Interesting". 2 or 3 days later she was in the news.

I'm a very skeptical person especially having experienced both the community and high end scene.

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You know now that I think about it, it's pretty hard to actually find a celebrity *without* at least some game. Most of them have it. Like I said earlier they are interrelated. The process of becoming famous, especially as an actor, almost requires it.

The issue here is not whether or not game is effective, but whether game alone beats fame. The answer is simply no. Study up on evolutionary psychology for the answer to why.

This is a MAJOR ASSUMPTION, that is a negative especially with actors...

Not only did I go to acting school (wayyy back) but lots of actors I found to be introverted and at times talk "out of politeness". Leo doesn't really "work the room" he hangs amongst his "connector" friends and sometimes cold approaches in proximity.

Cuba Gooding Jr I've met through a friend, he enjoys going out but again just chills sitting/talking. Another actor (I don't remember name) my friend brought along with us to the next venue. He preferred just hanging at the bar didn't want to openly chat.

That said, "game" over fame is subjective because "what is game?" (To me it's the attractive qualities that makes MOST WOMEN drawn to you compared to most men) I consider COLD APPROACH to be a tool since it's essentially "socializing"

Beyond that, majority of men in those realms are "unknown", so how did they get there? How did I get there? I'm not famous nor rich.

Fame is about connections, to put in perspective...
- Big hiphop producer wanted me to give my cousin (who is a rapper) his number so they can talk
- PR Agencies that have connections help people meet the right people. (In 2012, I spent 2 hours at an after party listening to a gay guy talk about big a-list celebs and the work he had to do)
- Look at adam sandler circle of friends or saturday night live...Back in the day I was unaware as to why so many improv actors wanted to end up on SnL.

Personal experiences...
- Friend recently introduces me to owner of 2 trendy restaurants...Owner gives me his card "anytime you need me to take care of your crew just call me"
- I roll up with 3 girls... arab prince bodyguard invites me to table gives me a bottle for myself...I try to #close the arab prince BUT "incognito" connector tells me that's his client and says "take my number instead"...Go out to bring in 2 more girls DOORMAN demands bouncer to get me a w-2 form to work as a host.
- Countless unknown rich dudes seem me having a blast and INVITE ME to hang at the table.
- Invited to cannes, st tropez, ibiza, hamptons, miami, floripa, las vegas, and all sorts of other places that people have connections.


IMO the heirarchy goes...
1. Superconnectors: Usually these guys have girlfriends BUT 1 thing that is apart their girls are all HOT. (1 guy I know wife, stunning and she doesn't even fit my ideal look)
- A joke was once made "a-listers are part of their entourage"
- They know other connectors and are the ones who bring out "celebs"

2. "Incognito" connectors: Quite possibly get laid the most and find no reason to settledown due t the hare amount of hotties they know.
- If you see 1-2 guys with 8 to 15 gorgeous girls on average then you've spotted the unicorn (Whether dinner or in a club all straight men turn their heads)
- Superconnectors introduce celebs to these guys (which they are then invited to bring their circle of friends and/or exchange numbers)

3. Single Guy "In The Know": Similar to #2 just on a smaller scale (I fit this description)
- Always seen alone and/or with 2 to 7 girls (depending on the guy hot factor varies)
- Always knows connectors (they bypass "paying" and "working")
- IMO consists heavily of abunch of eccentric people (Alot of times you'll think "Wtf, how the hell did they meet or even think about hooking up?")

4. "Cool" Businessmen: These guys have the connections and disposable income to provide a rather luxurious experience
- They know tons of #s 1, 2, and 7 which is how they maintain their lifestyle (In the past, tiger woods-like stuff occurred in form of introductions to boatloads of women for the sake of "hoping they comeback and spend even more money)
- They can show women "another life" since they don't go out as much some of the other people already mentioned

5. "Cool" Celebrities: Similar to #4 only difference they're "known" which creates abit of problem where discretion is huge. They can't go around just slaying chicks OR the story would get out.
- Depending on the person will gain easy access to places (and sometimes even comp'd everything)
- Fame/Status make everyone "open" to meeting them (assuming they know who he is)

6. "Cool" Male Models: Main reason isn't their good looks but the fact that they are always around models and if they have a social circle of models they can go anywhere.
- Good looking and usually already with model types so chicks will be "open" to chatting
- Good looking so usually women are "open" to interacting with them

7. Connectors: Some are just promoters/host who "work", others get SOME girls due to sheer numbers but aren't really good with women. (however, if good they're good)
- Much more reasonable ratio (3 to 1 ratio at worst)
- Mixture of above average and gorgeous women
- If a connector is a promoter/host then generally any random bottle buyer will be introduced and put either on the table or next to that table (because sometimes it can be 10 to 30 girls there)

8. Certain Bouncers/Doormen: Their are some guys where this is a "lifestyle" for them. I've seen a handful of times when they are not only exchanging numbers, setting up meetups, and even making out with the chicks. (IMO though the chicks are just cute but would be considered 7s to most)

Noticed I didn't mention community dudes or friends of friends...

I learnt fairly early that common "community" perspectives weren't conducive in these realms due to mixed groups, cliques, needing to know women, having lots of people who enjoy being around you. (Random cool guys simply don't have the connects to consistently go in that world whenever they want)

A few times I come across some community dude doing abit of promoting slowly working their way up BUT that same ole community way about them somtimes kills it. (I only know 1 who is decent all around) Some end up finding their niche. One of my friends who is community only hangs out with asian women to the point that an asian-only club wanted him to work their.

In Closing...
This type of stuff have to be experienced for yourself, I'm being abit bias just talking about the "good"...

However, in terms of the OP and overall theme of the thread. Without certain guys "behind the scenes" these celebs wouldn't be slaying certain women and/or changed becoming better with women.

I know in the past 3 years I've changed drastically as a direct result of being in this realm. At the sametime, I've seen tons of unknowns who have forever impressed me in terms of their overall lifestyle.

No celeb has ever impressed me (many disappointed me) although a select few have amazing "energy".

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DL speaks truth. Nightlife connectors will always have more access than celebs. Girls like connectors and bring their girlfriends to "party", but celebs will never have girls bringing other competiton (girlfriends).

I had a date last night w/a Kazakh model. Airball. So I went out clubbing solo. I went to 1 club, but it was LA Jewish event. Pass. I dislike persian girls and Jewish-American Princesses.

Then I went to another club and ran into some promoters that I knew outside (random). Skipped line/comped entrance and setup at their table. Then I see my promoter friend who did BruinPartyLife and caught up w/him at a separate table (20+ women and him and his boy) and then ran into another promoter friend w/all his girls too (5-1 ratio).

A brief jaunt to the restroom and the club was 70% guys 30% girls, but at those tables it was flipped.

For most, clubbing is tactical hell but for some clubbing is strategic heaven.

Carry on boys!

Yep...

1 of the 1st legit contract models I ever met while trying to get into this scene was due to a connector inviting me out. (late 2011) As soon as I show up I just see a tall woman and before I even spot my boy I'm already chatting. (and was shocked she wasn't european)



He starts laughing jokingly separating us stating "You always do this" (We used to always run into each other and he'd see me with girls, 1 night we exchanged numbers)

Her and I hit it off easily and end up exchanging numbers...But of course thanks to community BS and my "gamey" ways instantly killed it. (It was in March 2012, I finally learnt to stop chasing chicks)

Nonetheless, that experience changed me because the sheer ease of meeting that chick made me realize if I do end up "gaining access" I'll literally clean up within that realm. It was the 1st of many lessons.

[LeBeau]

^ This is why Distant Light is one of the most underrated posters on the RVF, rather than speculating on threads, he's not only lived it, he's currently killing it.

I thought I had already repped based on past posts, but I'm fixing that right now.

+1 rep from me and looking forward to more of these breakdowns.

[runsonmagic]

(11-01-2014 07:26 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

^ This is why Distant Light is one of the most underrated posters on the RVF, rather than speculating on threads, he's not only lived it, he's currently killing it.

I thought I had already repped based on past posts, but I'm fixing that right now.

+1 rep from me and looking forward to more of these breakdowns.

Agreed. Rep point sent. I'm curious how you get into and become a regular in these circles.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(11-01-2014 06:37 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

Nonetheless, that experience changed me because the sheer ease of meeting that chick made me realize if I do end up "gaining access" I'll literally clean up within that realm. It was the 1st of many lessons.

Outstanding post and general contributions Distant Light!

[Santoro]

Distant Light is right on. You become a regular by...being a regular. His hierarchy is pretty spot on, and I was living well as what can best be described as stereotype #3 on his list.

If you show face weekend after weekend with different arm candy...the right people will eventually notice.

You show up 4-6 times within two months, don't try to 'hack' anything, and be a cool guy that has access to party favors and girls.

By 'hack' I mean don't expect people to greet you with open arms after 1 or two visits. Literally expect nothing, then one night the puzzle will 'click' and you'll be 'in'. It's been said so many times but bears repeating...girls are currency in nightlife. Especially in high end nightlife. If you can introduce promoters/bartenders to girls that you bring, they will repay you tenfold.

If you don't know who the promoters are from just looking around the room, check facebook events for the place and see if you can put a face/name together. Doesn't always work for the higher up places, but sometimes it pays off well. Then you can just introduce yourself to the guy, say thanks for putting together a great night/event, introduce your girls to him, and most likely be set for future events. It takes some finesse to pull this off but if you're high energy, fun, and surrounded by girls it's not likely the guy will blow you off.

You most likely need to have girls with you to pull this off, otherwise you're just another guy who wants access without earning it. Sometimes the VIP ropes/area will prevent this but there's usually some point in the night when the stars align and you can make something happen. If all else fails, you're still out with a group of fun girls and can proceed accordingly.

In my case, I was meeting lots of people because my music group was playing out 2-4x a week, and I would always take people's numbers to come party. Guys and girls. When I set up a night, I would lock in 2 or 3 fun guys (who knew to bring girls, not to bring other dudes) and then spam the rest of girls' numbers from my shows. You become a very small-scale promoter and eventually the bigger fish notice you doing their job for them and they give thanks in the form of invites/bottles.

You also get respect, which you may or may not get if you're just out dropping coin to get the same kind of access. I don't know if it's always like this, but I usually see the 'businessman baller' types get squeezed out at last call when the house/after parties are getting set up...where as guys in the know can work their way into the after.

[DVY]

^^^ To add to that, learn how to roll joints in the club. Weed makes friends.

[All or Nothing]

Well Distant Light, I challenged you at first with Justin Bieber thing. Now I will come right out and say it.

I do not see eye to eye with your lifestyle.

As a note, this is me unloading my personal feelings and thoughts.

Your posts are always fascinating and they reveal a lifestyle hidden within that very large city I have always dreamed about, yet have never been to.

I don't know. I am the kind of guy who would rather spend his time alone working on building something 60-80 hours a week. Over time, you eventually get to see creation unfold before you.

Whereas partying 4-6 days a week in search of base hedonistic pleasures does not have the same appeal. On one hand, I find it fascinating and am drawn to it because I have (finally!) found that sex with hot women is very pleasurable. On the other hand, through my eyes it looks like this underworld of sex and drugs is a revolving door. Where young, attractive and cool people walk in and are churned out. Once they are too old or worn down, they are replaced with younger, hotter and tighter models.

It's always interesting to read your posts Distant Light, and you seem to be living the life. Just hope you realize that that is not what everyone is looking for or what they base their own self-worth on.