[Austrian]

Hey guys,
I´ve been in the game since about 8 or 9 months and saw some good improvements and I have a solid night game right now.
But one area I´m still struggling is day game respectively street game.
I still have AA when I try to approach women during the day and I´m looking for advice how to systematically overcome fear of approaching and improve my results.
I have 3 days during the week where I have time to go hunting in a bigger shopping mall, which would yield the best results in my opinion.
My plan is to approach the way Roosh suggested in one of his newsletters.
So I have the following questions: How many girls should I approach in one day/session to see improvements? 5? 10?
And should I go for numbers or for instant dates?
Right now I´m leaning more to just go for numbers, because on instant dates during the day escalating is difficult. I know that many will flake but my plan would be to set up dates in bars.

[docsedated]

(04-05-2011 11:41 AM)Austrian Wrote:  

Hey guys,
I´ve been in the game since about 8 or 9 months and saw some good improvements and I have a solid night game right now.
But one area I´m still struggling is day game respectively street game.
I still have AA when I try to approach women during the day and I´m looking for advice how to systematically overcome fear of approaching and improve my results.
I have 3 days during the week where I have time to go hunting in a bigger shopping mall, which would yield the best results in my opinion.
My plan is to approach the way Roosh suggested in one of his newsletters.
So I have the following questions: How many girls should I approach in one day/session to see improvements? 5? 10?
And should I go for numbers or for instant dates?
Right now I´m leaning more to just go for numbers, because on instant dates during the day escalating is difficult. I know that many will flake but my plan would be to set up dates in bars.

I am going to repeat what Yoda ( MiXX) Told me, Afraid of what, Do these girls pay your bills? are u dependent on them ? Why do you even give a Fuck ?

The day you stop giving a fuck what these girls are thinking the day u will start fucking them........

Do not think about the number of approaches , If you can sarge for 3 hrs with a fresh and Fun mindset then it's 3 hrs of Game time, take a break and start again, Hell there have been days I have done over 30 approaches with seven numbers..........

In the beginning you can focus on numbers but Instadate is what you want and yes Light Kino is possible during the day, There is too much material available of Forum on Day Game .......

Your Obstacle at this time can be also be removed by teaming up with a fellow gamer and have him critique ur game....

Do report back and happy hunting

[DonovanVC]

I got my day game to a decent level, I'm pretty confident in it...took me about 5 months of solid practice, 3 times a week, 5 sets each time I went out.

I highly suggest taking things step by step. Too many guys never get good at daygame cuz they want to learn to stop a girl, talk, flirt, get her #/instadate and follow up for a bang all in one go.

I found that mastering each of those steps in their own right is key.

That's why I spent the first few weeks just learning to say "Excuse me" and stop a girl and then ask a simple question. You ahve to get so good at this that women just stop at your command. YOu also have to learn to jog up to women far ahead of you on the street (since your target is often several steps ahead of you and she ain't slowing down unless you make her) or going in the opposite direction as you. Lots of girls are in a hurry, have ipods, etc. You gotta learn to stop them all.

Once I got good at that, I started to move past "excuse me, wheres starbucks" to learning to BS a little with them, by making a comment/observation about them. Mess around with this till you can BS with a random girl on the street/store for a couple minutes.

Once you do that for a couple weeks consistently, start focusing on fiddling around with other indirect openers and the direct opener. Likely when you use direct openers you'll be so nervous and the girl will be so shocked and impressed, that you wont know what to say after you open. You'll have to work thru this.

Then next step is once you get good at opening girls, BSing, etc. you should learn to cold read a bit and make assumptions about them to get a more flirtatious vibe going. Once you get good at this, then you'll focus on asking for the numbers or insta-dates.

I usually got turned down for #s or got fake numbers/flaky numbers for a good 2 months. I didnt change much of what I did but my confidence and comfort in daygamin started to shine thru, and after awhile, the numbers started to get good. (this was about the 4-5 month mark).

It was a long learning curve but once you get thru it, I think its way more fun that night/club game.

[nmmoooreland20]

(04-07-2011 10:05 AM)DonovanVC Wrote:  

I got my day game to a decent level, I'm pretty confident in it...took me about 5 months of solid practice, 3 times a week, 5 sets each time I went out.

I highly suggest taking things step by step. Too many guys never get good at daygame cuz they want to learn to stop a girl, talk, flirt, get her #/instadate and follow up for a bang all in one go.

I found that mastering each of those steps in their own right is key.

That's why I spent the first few weeks just learning to say "Excuse me" and stop a girl and then ask a simple question. You ahve to get so good at this that women just stop at your command. YOu also have to learn to jog up to women far ahead of you on the street (since your target is often several steps ahead of you and she ain't slowing down unless you make her) or going in the opposite direction as you. Lots of girls are in a hurry, have ipods, etc. You gotta learn to stop them all.

Once I got good at that, I started to move past "excuse me, wheres starbucks" to learning to BS a little with them, by making a comment/observation about them. Mess around with this till you can BS with a random girl on the street/store for a couple minutes.

Once you do that for a couple weeks consistently, start focusing on fiddling around with other indirect openers and the direct opener. Likely when you use direct openers you'll be so nervous and the girl will be so shocked and impressed, that you wont know what to say after you open. You'll have to work thru this.

Then next step is once you get good at opening girls, BSing, etc. you should learn to cold read a bit and make assumptions about them to get a more flirtatious vibe going. Once you get good at this, then you'll focus on asking for the numbers or insta-dates.

I usually got turned down for #s or got fake numbers/flaky numbers for a good 2 months. I didnt change much of what I did but my confidence and comfort in daygamin started to shine thru, and after awhile, the numbers started to get good. (this was about the 4-5 month mark).

It was a long learning curve but once you get thru it, I think its way more fun that night/club game.

Excellent post. Baby steps. But that's not to say if you're in the zone, break it off.

[Chad Daring]

(04-07-2011 10:05 AM)DonovanVC Wrote:  

I got my day game to a decent level, I'm pretty confident in it...took me about 5 months of solid practice, 3 times a week, 5 sets each time I went out.

I highly suggest taking things step by step. Too many guys never get good at daygame cuz they want to learn to stop a girl, talk, flirt, get her #/instadate and follow up for a bang all in one go.

I found that mastering each of those steps in their own right is key.

That's why I spent the first few weeks just learning to say "Excuse me" and stop a girl and then ask a simple question. You ahve to get so good at this that women just stop at your command. YOu also have to learn to jog up to women far ahead of you on the street (since your target is often several steps ahead of you and she ain't slowing down unless you make her) or going in the opposite direction as you. Lots of girls are in a hurry, have ipods, etc. You gotta learn to stop them all.

Once I got good at that, I started to move past "excuse me, wheres starbucks" to learning to BS a little with them, by making a comment/observation about them. Mess around with this till you can BS with a random girl on the street/store for a couple minutes.

Once you do that for a couple weeks consistently, start focusing on fiddling around with other indirect openers and the direct opener. Likely when you use direct openers you'll be so nervous and the girl will be so shocked and impressed, that you wont know what to say after you open. You'll have to work thru this.

Then next step is once you get good at opening girls, BSing, etc. you should learn to cold read a bit and make assumptions about them to get a more flirtatious vibe going. Once you get good at this, then you'll focus on asking for the numbers or insta-dates.

I usually got turned down for #s or got fake numbers/flaky numbers for a good 2 months. I didnt change much of what I did but my confidence and comfort in daygamin started to shine thru, and after awhile, the numbers started to get good. (this was about the 4-5 month mark).

It was a long learning curve but once you get thru it, I think its way more fun that night/club game.

This is great stuff. Night game is rough for me, money and logistics (and living in DC ffs) make it difficult, but I see a lot of 7+ girls just around in the 'burb I live in and I'd love to improve my ability to crack open that treasure trove.

I got a feeling that here in the DC burbs this'll work well too because I NEVER see guys pull this stuff, they're either to busy or to pussy.

[Absolute]

(04-05-2011 11:41 AM)Austrian Wrote:  

Hey guys,
I´ve been in the game since about 8 or 9 months and saw some good improvements and I have a solid night game right now.
But one area I´m still struggling is day game respectively street game.
I still have AA when I try to approach women during the day and I´m looking for advice how to systematically overcome fear of approaching and improve my results.
I have 3 days during the week where I have time to go hunting in a bigger shopping mall, which would yield the best results in my opinion.
My plan is to approach the way Roosh suggested in one of his newsletters.
So I have the following questions: How many girls should I approach in one day/session to see improvements? 5? 10?
And should I go for numbers or for instant dates?
Right now I´m leaning more to just go for numbers, because on instant dates during the day escalating is difficult. I know that many will flake but my plan would be to set up dates in bars.

Hey what's up...I'm new as well, been running game in day light for solid 3 months now, and still learning, but have found out couple of important things that may help. 1) Treat the first 5-6 approaches as nothing but warm up. Just give yourself a break, don't expect any results, and just grind them so that you get in the vibe and get social. That way you may crash & burn with some of the 7s, 8s, 9s in the beginning, but when you see that 10 after an hour, you'll be "in the zone" and you gonna open well. It's pretty much like a warm up before tennis match. When Federer and Nadal play, they warm up for like 30 min. before they start the real game...Treat the first approaches the same way. 2) I go out 3 days a week too, and I found it real hard to get things in motion after 4 days of no game and just work. I'd get momentum for 3 straight days, and then drop down to ground zero on the week and not do anything. One way to avoid that is to treat every interaction when you're not actively gaming as game. For example, every conversation during the week, at work, at the coffee shop, on the phone, etc, is a warm up for the weekend. That way you keep the mindset of game and when the time comes you're already in the right frame of mind and transition is smoother.

[Gmac]

(04-07-2011 07:16 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

This is great stuff. Night game is rough for me, money and logistics (and living in DC ffs) make it difficult, but I see a lot of 7+ girls just around in the 'burb I live in and I'd love to improve my ability to crack open that treasure trove.

I got a feeling that here in the DC burbs this'll work well too because I NEVER see guys pull this stuff, they're either to busy or to pussy.

DC is great because metro makes the burbs a lot more accessible for lays. Helps big time to live in the city.

[Kish]

(04-08-2011 08:54 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

(04-07-2011 07:16 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

This is great stuff. Night game is rough for me, money and logistics (and living in DC ffs) make it difficult, but I see a lot of 7+ girls just around in the 'burb I live in and I'd love to improve my ability to crack open that treasure trove.

I got a feeling that here in the DC burbs this'll work well too because I NEVER see guys pull this stuff, they're either to busy or to pussy.

DC is great because metro makes the burbs a lot more accessible for lays. Helps big time to live in the city.

Where is the best place to day dame in the DC area? I was downtown near Farragut North yesterday and it was a barren wasteland as far as hot chics. Georgetown(M st)? Pentagon city mall?

[Gmac]

(04-08-2011 09:07 AM)rakishness Wrote:  

(04-08-2011 08:54 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

(04-07-2011 07:16 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

This is great stuff. Night game is rough for me, money and logistics (and living in DC ffs) make it difficult, but I see a lot of 7+ girls just around in the 'burb I live in and I'd love to improve my ability to crack open that treasure trove.

I got a feeling that here in the DC burbs this'll work well too because I NEVER see guys pull this stuff, they're either to busy or to pussy.

DC is great because metro makes the burbs a lot more accessible for lays. Helps big time to live in the city.

Where is the best place to day dame in the DC area? I was downtown near Farragut North yesterday and it was a barren wasteland as far as hot chics. Georgetown(M st)? Pentagon city mall?

Dupont, Chinatown... anywhere with lots of coffee shops and bookstores near the metro. I've actually picked up more girls on the metro than anywhere else, gotta just be real casual and not come across as a creep. Obvious advice is obvious, I know.

I don't usually promote video game playing, but something I like to call "Angry Bird Game" is working crazy well with young corporate chicks (on the metro).

[Austrian]

Some very good posts so far, thanks guys. I like the point that Absolute makes with the warming up.

[Menace]

Faragut North can be ok but only at specific times, generally I'd say between 5ish and 6:30pm on weekdays, when many people from the IMF or World Bank head home. Weekend it's usually dead.

Gmac, Angry Bird Game is a good idea...I can see how it can be an easy conversation starter, especially after you have "tried" to get that last pig 20 times.

[Austrian]

Should I focus on opening single sets in the beginning or also approach sets of 2 or more girls?
Or team up with a buddy to approach groups?

[Samseau]

How much time do you guys spend on day-game?

Night game is swamped with girls... possible to go through 20 girls in an hour at night... day time I see guys get like 4 girls in an hour of walking around.

It's just not productive. How do you guys get around this fact?

[Austrian]

(04-08-2011 01:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

How much time do you guys spend on day-game?

Night game is swamped with girls... possible to go through 20 girls in an hour at night... day time I see guys get like 4 girls in an hour of walking around.

It's just not productive. How do you guys get around this fact?

4 girls in one hour? Thats ridiculous. There are tons of girls around in shopping malls, on the street...
Day game is a good alternative to night game because you have no competition so you are not the 10th guy who makes an approach like in a nightgame setting.
98% of men don´t even consider making an approach during the day.

[theIVth]

Just do it! That's it. If you see a chick you like, think quickly on your feet about something u can ask her to open up convo and just go for it. If she is bitchy or whatever then you'll know not to waste your time. But if she is open and engaging, you'll know that their might be something there and then u can go ahead and tell her u enjoyed talking to her and ask for her number so y'all can hook up later. Simple.

The more you sit and ponder on it, the bigger the mountain in your mind gets. If a chick likes u she'll make it easy on u cause in the back of their minds they know why ur trying to small talk with them.

Just go for it bro...fuck it

[Kish]

(04-08-2011 01:15 PM)Austrian Wrote:  

(04-08-2011 01:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

How much time do you guys spend on day-game?

Night game is swamped with girls... possible to go through 20 girls in an hour at night... day time I see guys get like 4 girls in an hour of walking around.

It's just not productive. How do you guys get around this fact?

4 girls in one hour? Thats ridiculous. There are tons of girls around in shopping malls, on the street...
Day game is a good alternative to night game because you have no competition so you are not the 10th guy who makes an approach like in a nightgame setting.
98% of men don´t even consider making an approach during the day.

Where do you live? Here in DC I don't see that many hot girls just walking around. Why approach 2-3 girls in 2 hours when I could approach 20 online or at a club? Not a good use of time. Day game doesn't seem to make any sense where I am.

[docsedated]

(04-08-2011 01:02 PM)Austrian Wrote:  

Should I focus on opening single sets in the beginning or also approach sets of 2 or more girls?
Or team up with a buddy to approach groups?

That's right approach single sets in the beginning, If you open two girls keep the vibe open with both of them but it's difficult to number close even if one of the girl likes you and for multitude of reasons it wouldn't go well

1.Girls just don't want to seem slutty in front of their friends

2.Her friend will be your biggest cockblock.

If you do get the vibe going with both the girls, Isolate your target by saying to the friend " Let me talk to your fried in private for a moment while you look at clothes etc........... " Step 10 feet away and tell your target that you do not want to embarass her in front of her friend and number close for alone time later..........

My humble suggestion would be to approach single sets only till your game gets better....

You are thinking right again, yes If you have wingman approach 2 sets or singles , do not approach 3 sets or more for the same reasons stated above , The unpaired girl feels left out and starts cockblocking.

Get a system going with our wingman to excuse himself for a while if it's single set or when dealing with 2 sets of clearly telling him which girl is your target , Usually who opens the set has the dibs........

Happy hunting

[Gmac]

(04-08-2011 01:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

How much time do you guys spend on day-game?

Night game is swamped with girls... possible to go through 20 girls in an hour at night... day time I see guys get like 4 girls in an hour of walking around.

It's just not productive. How do you guys get around this fact?

I don't go out to "do approaches" like it's my job, that never worked for me. If I'm heading somewhere in the city I use that time to talk to women.

I like to think of it as multitasking. Gets rid of a lot of the pressure and anxiety if you're just starting out too. Gotta do what works for you.

[Gmac]

(04-08-2011 02:19 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(04-08-2011 01:15 PM)Austrian Wrote:  

(04-08-2011 01:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

How much time do you guys spend on day-game?

Night game is swamped with girls... possible to go through 20 girls in an hour at night... day time I see guys get like 4 girls in an hour of walking around.

It's just not productive. How do you guys get around this fact?

4 girls in one hour? Thats ridiculous. There are tons of girls around in shopping malls, on the street...
Day game is a good alternative to night game because you have no competition so you are not the 10th guy who makes an approach like in a nightgame setting.
98% of men don´t even consider making an approach during the day.

Where do you live? Here in DC I don't see that many hot girls just walking around. Why approach 2-3 girls in 2 hours when I could approach 20 online or at a club? Not a good use of time. Day game doesn't seem to make any sense where I am.

You're thinking very narrowly. Why do you think the street is the only place to talk to women?

Coffee shops, grocery stores, malls, bookstores, etc...

[Saladin]

I just noticed today how much easier bar game is compared to day game. I was at a bar in Toronto and the girls had no shields up and it was really easy to chat to girls.