[The Beast1]

Anyone else see this? They've already mentioned cisgenders and the whole litany of PC terms.

[L M McCoy]

(10-08-2014 09:09 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Anyone else see this? They've already mentioned cisgenders and the whole litany of PC terms.

"cissy"

[AnonymousBosch]

Just watched it. Seems like they didn't want to offend anyone, and, unless I'm reading it wrong, it resolved in a pro-tolerance ending.

Was expecting some well-deserved satire, left disappointed.

[AnonymousBosch]

Case in point: the SJW's at the AV Club didn't find it 'problematic'.

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As much as the rest of “Cissy” is pretty bizarre, the actual take on trans issues is one of the more humane, clear-sighted arguments I’ve seen from the show in a while. For the 12-year-olds in the audience, there are pretty clear explanations of what it means for someone to be trans, and why it’s a bad idea to call being cis “normal” (basically ripped from a comment thread on my review of the Transparent pilot). And even though Kyle mocks the South Park big statement, Sharon’s speech to Randy is the best and most earnest preachy lecture the show has done in years.

All I have to say is: "Boo Wendy Testeburger! Boooo!"

[Vitriol]

I interpreted the episode as guys trying to exploit a hyper-tolerant system to get their own private shitters. The characters of Randy and Cartman basically said they were only exploiting a niche for this reason. It demonstrates how identifying as a member of a group with victim status grants special privileges that "normal/functional/cis" people don't receive.

They're normally willing to make fun of "sacred cow" groups like women, gays, jews, etc. so I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. At least they're raising the issues.

[kbell]

It sucks that its now on hulu than their old server. Hulu tends to slow down, or lag out completely, and you can't skip the damn commercials! Its also less organized and I don't believe the whole season is available. Not sure why they switched to it.

[wi30]

All I have to say is that I knew something was off about Lorde...

[JJ Roberts]

New season has been disappointing.

This was the funniest episode so far.

[turkishcandy]

I loved it. Some of my favorite quotes from the last episode:

**** SPOILER ALERT****

Cartman: ‘’I’m not comfortable with the sex I was assigned by birth so I’m exercising my right to identify my gender by choice so get out of my way I have to take a shit.’’

Cartman: ‘’It’s okay I can take a shit here I’m a dumb chick too.’’

Cartman: ‘’It means I live a life and torture and confusion because society sees me as a boy when I really am a girl.’’
Principle: So if you’re a transgender that means you’re attracted to boys is that true?
Cartman: ‘’That’s actually not true. I can be transgender without having anything to do with the gender I’m attracted to.’’

Mr. Garrison: ‘’Cisgender. It’s the politically correct name for the people who aren’t transgender. ‘’
Mr. Mackey: ‘’But then cisgender is just normal. ‘’
Mr. Garrison: ‘’Saying normal is extremely offensive to people who aren’t in that group.’’

To watch online:
http://www.watchsouthparkonline.net/seas...e-3-cissy/

I think it's very well-thought and critical of all the bullshit that the progressivists have been throwing around lately. Anyone who identifies themselves as transgender or cisgender gets the middle finger in this episode. I can't say South Park is 100% red pill. It has many contradicting ideas, including gays. One episode it's totally okay to be gay and the next episode you see them being ridiculed. South Park doesn't have a set of truths, it makes fun of everything in general.

[blairnaso]

Even though I really enjoyed it up until the last three or four minutes, I could tell early on that the show was still losing its integrity.

Notice the line towards the end "the normal people who don't care [about transgenderism]". What a lie! Most people do care, and most people would be very uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with someone of the opposite sex. They seem to build up the episode criticizing transgenders, but really it was just criticizing people who fake being transgender or think it's all a hoax. It's the same aimless sensationalism they've had for the last two episodes.

Recall the episode "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina", in which they harshly criticized trans-sexuality.

Also, the fuck is with all the Lorde praise? Why is South Park suddenly marketed towards 12-year-olds? The charm in the show is that it's about children trying to be adults. It's a coming of age seen through the adults' eyes. And now they've undercut that by talking about how wonderful Lorde is and playing her shitty music for an extended time.

P.S. You can watch it on youtube instead of Hulu.

[roberto]

What did you guys think of the last one, 'Gluten-free Ebola'?

Although they ripped the piss out of both sides of the argument I feel they came down on the side of being pro gluten free. In the scene in the pizza place after running out of toppings, I fully expected the manager to eat the pizza base and nothing would happen. But no, his cock blew off They ended the episode with the town eating frozen butter lollipops. Props for flipping the food triangle too.

[blairnaso]

(10-09-2014 10:42 AM)roberto Wrote:  

What did you guys think of the last one, 'Gluten-free Ebola'?

This season has been a major disappointment. Not very funny, directionless morals, trying too hard to be vulgar. You could see a little bit of this last season, but they've full-out lost their identity and integrity this year. The worst part is that they have a contract through season 20, meaning there's another two years of this.

[Kid Strangelove]

Guys.... guys!!!! I just realized this. The most subtle jab from yesterday's South Park.


Randy Marsh comes up with Lorde while taking a shit


Therefore he is a.....

ShitLorde

[Benoit]

(10-09-2014 10:20 AM)blairnaso Wrote:  

Notice the line towards the end "the normal people who don't care [about transgenderism]". What a lie! Most people do care, and most people would be very uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with someone of the opposite sex. They seem to build up the episode criticizing transgenders, but really it was just criticizing people who fake being transgender or think it's all a hoax. It's the same aimless sensationalism they've had for the last two episodes.

There's the way the majority were 'inclusive' by attacking people who don't agree with them and calling them names.

I saw the ending as Stan being cast out for not swallowing the transgender bullshit, then finding out his life was actually better (fancy private bathroom).

[Ensam]

You guys are watching South Park wrong.

Stan and Kyle are almost always the voice of sanity. That's who you should be looking to for the moral. I think Benoit's take on it is the right one - let the world be insane around you and you might find yourself better off than if you fight it all the time.

[turkishcandy]

Kyle is more impulsive and inclined to corruption. There are many episodes he sells out his principles to fight or to side with Cartman, the other extreme. Stan on the other hand is always just and mature, therefore the voice of sanity as you put it.

[AnonymousBosch]

(10-09-2014 10:20 AM)blairnaso Wrote:  

Also, the fuck is with all the Lorde praise? Why is South Park suddenly marketed towards 12-year-olds? The charm in the show is that it's about children trying to be adults. It's a coming of age seen through the adults' eyes. And now they've undercut that by talking about how wonderful Lorde is and playing her shitty music for an extended time.

I'm confused by her cultural relevance. The music industry really is in trouble for her to be talked about this way.

She's had six singles:

UK #1, #78, #29, no position, #72, the new one #99

US #1, #71, #6, no position, #68, the new one #74

This trajectory used to mean 'crisis meeting at the record company' and a follow-up album teamed with hit producers with a proven track record.

She's sold 1.3 million of her album in the US. In the 90's, R.E.M. and Smashing Pumpkins were considered failures selling those numbers, and lost all record company support.

The spin on her new single is telling:

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Lorde, 17, has logged the highest launch by a female on Billboard’s Alternative Songs chart as “Yellow Flicker Beat” seals the No. 17 spot.

Oops. 'Alternative'. She's not supposed to be niche culture, but mass culture. They're trying to spin a massive PR disaster into a success story in the hopes that she will be added to mainstream rotation. Might still happen - there is too much money invested in her for her to fail.

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That #17 bow on Billboard is the format’s best debut for a solo female effort since Juliana Hatfield’s “Universal Heart-Beat” launched at the same spot in March 1995.

As someone who was there: 'Universal Heart-beat' was the death knell for Juliana Hatfield's career, the single only reaching #84, the album only reaching #96 on the US charts, with middling reaction in England. This was considered so terrible a showing, considered the monetary and hype investment in her career, that Atlantic refused to release her following album, and have held onto the tapes ever since.

This is now the level that is considered success and mainstream cultural relevance?

Once again, no-one mentions Joel Little, co-writer on every song, credited with engineering, instrumentation, mixing, and production. Lorde gets vocals and additional production. Anyone who has worked in the industry knows what that credit means.

He really is the invisible man propping her up.

[Ensam]

(10-09-2014 02:57 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Once again, no-one mentions Joel Little, co-writer on every song, credited with engineering, instrumentation, mixing, and production. Lorde gets vocals and additional production. Anyone who has worked in the industry knows what that credit means.

He really is the invisible man propping her up.

This has always been the case. Max Martin has basically been pop music since the mid 90s.

[AnonymousBosch]

Would Anyone Bang?

She looks like 70's Kate Bush fucked a Pug.

[horn]

She looks pretty hot in the photo cooking with T Swift.

[monster]

(10-09-2014 01:41 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

You guys are watching South Park wrong.

Stan and Kyle are almost always the voice of sanity. That's who you should be looking to for the moral. I think Benoit's take on it is the right one - let the world be insane around you and you might find yourself better off than if you fight it all the time.

Cartman's always been my fav

[Hedonistic Traveler]

(10-09-2014 02:57 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 10:20 AM)blairnaso Wrote:  

Also, the fuck is with all the Lorde praise? Why is South Park suddenly marketed towards 12-year-olds? The charm in the show is that it's about children trying to be adults. It's a coming of age seen through the adults' eyes. And now they've undercut that by talking about how wonderful Lorde is and playing her shitty music for an extended time.

I'm confused by her cultural relevance. The music industry really is in trouble for her to be talked about this way.

Yeah, I don't think she is anything special in the grand scheme of things, but I prefer her over Iggy A. and Meghan Trainer.

Right now she's popular because she's young and identifies as a feminist. It helps that people think it's a cool story that she seems to have come out of nowhere. Of course that's not really true, I think she was groomed from a pretty young age. Her 13-year old sister is already putting out songs too.

I think there is a guy behind every pop singer, it's not like she's unique. The only one I know of who supposedly writes her own is Lady Gaga, and I'd imagine that's not even true.

This comparison of Beyonce's "We Run the World" and Queen "Bohemian's Rhapsody" is a good luck at this. I don't know how to resize it, so here's a link.

http://www.infographicsonly.com/wp-conte.../music.jpg

[blairnaso]

(10-09-2014 08:56 PM)Hedonistic Traveler Wrote:  

This comparison of Beyonce's "We Run the World" and Queen "Bohemian's Rhapsody" is a good luck at this. I don't know how to resize it, so here's a link.

http://www.infographicsonly.com/wp-conte.../music.jpg

Back in the old days, the band would, like, often produce their own music. Beach Boys, Led Zeppelin, apparently Queen, probably Rolling Stones and the Who, ELO. They often had one member of the band who learned how to do that kind of thing so that the band (and not the money-hungry label) would have control over their sound. And we see that all of those bands I mentioned are far more influential and innovative than anything on the radio today.

[Vitriol]

It looks like the episode can be streamed for free on their official website in case anyone didn't see it and doesn't know what we're talking about:

http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s1...rt=airdate

"It's okay I can take a shit here I'm a dumb chick too"

If you watch how Cartman throws a bow in his hat and starts to act like he's trans-gendered within the first couple minutes of the episode, I think it is pretty obvious they're making fun of people who pull these kinds of stunts to get special privileges.

[Benoit]

(10-09-2014 10:13 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

If you watch how Cartman throws a bow in his hat and starts to act like he's trans-gendered within the first couple minutes of the episode, I think it is pretty obvious they're making fun of people who pull these kinds of stunts to get special privileges.

Everyone in the episode knows that Cartman's talking a load of shit, but they go along with it because they can't face the problems that resisting would cause for them.

Sounds accurate to me.