[HungWeiLo]

Noted Feminist Camille Paglia calls out liberals/feminists/conservatives for their blowing up if campus sexual assaults and how the previous generations (Boomers and X) have basically made the current generations world an overprotected bounce house where nothing bad happens.

http://time.com/3444749/camille-paglia-t...hend-evil/

I know Paglia's a feminist so I take what she says with a grain of salt, but when I've read most of her recent stuff, she usually seems upset if not downright angry over the way the brand of feminism she advocated for has turned into the feminazi bullshit we have today.

Take this quote:

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Despite hysterical propaganda about our “rape culture,” the majority of campus incidents being carelessly described as sexual assault are not felonious rape (involving force or drugs) but oafish hookup melodramas, arising from mixed signals and imprudence on both sides.

This type of "friendly fire" from one feminist directed to others and the society she helped create is rare and dare I say borders on intellectual honesty.

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Too many young middleclass women, raised far from the urban streets, seem to expect adult life to be an extension of their comfortable, overprotected homes. But the world remains a wilderness. The price of women’s modern freedoms is personal responsibility for vigilance and self-defense.

Here she goes after the misconception this forum has been exposing and highlighting for years. The price of expanded rights, privileges, and freedoms comes with an inherent responsibility to wield those rights, privileges, and freedoms responsibly and Paglia is saying modern women don't. I also think what she wants to say but can't (because it would a bridge too far for her) is that the way modern women are brought up in overprotected homes are because feminists like her have marginalized men in their thirst for power and equality with men.

It's probably a case of too little too late, but the fact that a liberal/feminist matriarch like Camille Paglia wrote it and then printed it at all must mean she's starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel she created.

Edit: For faux vs. foux (Thanks Lizard of Oz)

[Sombro]

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"Real crimes should be reported to the police, not to haphazard and ill-trained campus grievance committees," she writes, then lambastes "middleclass women, raised far from the urban streets" who expect too much protection from the "wilderness" of the world. But isn't there a place for a campus with some disciplinary rules and procedures? That's my question.

Paglia's answer is not to trust those horrible academic leftists who purvey "illusions about sex and gender" and blame society for oppressing us with "racism, sexism, and imperialism," which they see as "toxins embedded in oppressive outside structures that must be smashed and remade." But — as she sees it — sex is Nature, and the evil part of it can't be fixed.

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There is a ritualistic symbolism at work in sex crime that most women do not grasp and therefore cannot arm themselves against.

Do not grasp... does she mean cannot grasp? I'm going to guess that she thinks most women could grasp this truth of hers, but only if we break free of the lefties' illusions and come face to face with Nature.

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Misled by the naive optimism and “You go, girl!” boosterism of their upbringing, young women do not see the animal eyes glowing at them in the dark. They assume that bared flesh and sexy clothes are just a fashion statement containing no messages that might be misread and twisted by a psychotic. They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature.

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2014/09/cam...re-of.html

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I'm not buying the following. I think what's going on here is worse than Camille Paglia sees:

"Misled by the naive optimism and “You go, girl!” boosterism of their upbringing, young women do not see the animal eyes glowing at them in the dark. They assume that bared flesh and sexy clothes are just a fashion statement containing no messages that might be misread and twisted by a psychotic. They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature."

The reason I think it's bullshit is because when women dress that way, the first people to give them shit are other women. That's how the phrase "slut shaming" evolved. Also, by the time of middle school, girls see how boys react when other girls dress slutty, so they themselves decide whether or not to dress that way.

No, what I think is happening is that women want to dress this way with no repercussions or negative effects at all. And they want to behave whichever way they want with no ill effects.

All of which is impossible in college, the workplace, or in society.

So, to achieve this unrealistic goal, they (and their media/HR/college admin lapdogs) are attempting to try to alter laws and rules so that you're not allowed to judge them -- or even approach them if they don't want. And the sex has to be 100 percent on their terms, all the time, or else it's "abuse."

The reason this is so disturbing is that it strikes at the heart of what most of us think America is about: freedom of speech, freedom of association, and the presumption of innocence.

The problem with Paglia's analysis is that women's signals don't need to be "misread and twisted by a psychotic" for disaster. Any average guy can misread a signal, say or do the wrong thing, and find himself throw out of college, fired from a job, or worse.

When you pile this on top of the civil liberties Americans already have had taken away after Sept. 11, you get a country that's virtually unrecognizable from the ones our parents knew. What was that Heartiste saying? "Goodbye, America."

[CRR]

Another great post DOBA.

It was strange reading her article because based on the tone I figured it would lead into what you are saying, but instead it just ends.

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The problem with Paglia's analysis is that women's signals don't need to be "misread and twisted by a psychotic" for disaster. Any average guy can misread a signal, say or do the wrong thing, and find himself throw out of college, fired from a job, or worse.

Right.

If a girl dresses provocatively and a guy she finds beneath her makes a comment, he's harassing her.

A consensual sexual relationship goes sour, he 'abused' her and must be fired.

The constant victim mentality combined with no responsibility is dangerous in and of itself. Adding on top of this the feminist demand that merely an accusation should land a guy in prison makes it disturbingly dangerous. They basically want to abolish the rule of law which includes the presumption of innocence.

That is why this 'rape culture' hysteria is such a problem. It is lies that could, and have had, terrible consequences for innocent people.

[HungWeiLo]

There is no presumption of innocence when a girl accuses someone of "rape". After all, why would a girl lie...

[Lizard King]

Not the first time she has questioned the feminist status quo.

It is likely that contemporary feminists view her as a crackpot, or an old relative whom they have little control of and always says inappropriate things at the wrong moment.

[Sp5]

(09-30-2014 03:19 PM)Trev Wrote:  

Not the first time she has questioned the feminist status quo.

It is likely that contemporary feminists view her as a crackpot, or an old relative whom they have little control of and always says inappropriate things at the wrong moment.

One of my favorite bits of Paglia's was when she dosed herself with testosterone and experienced what she called the heart ache of seeing desirable women and men on the street (she is bisexual).

[Lizard King]

(09-30-2014 03:38 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 03:19 PM)Trev Wrote:  

Not the first time she has questioned the feminist status quo.

It is likely that contemporary feminists view her as a crackpot, or an old relative whom they have little control of and always says inappropriate things at the wrong moment.

One of my favorite bits of Paglia's was when she dosed herself with testosterone and experienced what she called the heart ache of seeing desirable women and men on the street (she is bisexual).

Do you have any more details on that? It sounds very interesting.

I tried a brief search for it but came up blank.

[Truth Teller]

On an interesting note, since my college is one of many being "investigated" by the government, I have to fill out a survey.

On second thought, after reading it, I don't care.

[puckerman]

Gloria Steinem and her ilk despise Paglia. Paglia is a great woman. We need more like her.