[Buddha]

Sounds like OP is projecting his own goals instead of the full reality in his post...which is OK because youth comes with its follies. Making money on one`s own terms and being location-independent is a good goal to have. I'm sure a lot of people on this forum aspire for that.

My 2 cents: Lifestyle Arbitrage & Liquid Savings

1) If you are making location-independent income of $5,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.

2) If you are making location-independent income of $10,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.

3) If you are making location-independent income of $20,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.
...you get the idea.

Not only will those EE cities give you better quality of women, the languages you learn, and the social circle you build will give you a lifestyle which would be damn close to Poosy Paradise. You can wield your earning power and have chicks dig your foreign look.

Plus if you are interested in capital investments, many EE countries have better GDP growth outlooks than WE countries, not to mention lower taxes.

Can't have a location-independent lifestyle just yet? Then do with what you have, where you are, and work your fucking ass off in your 20s to make money.

Save, Save, Save during your 20s. I was location-independent in my 20s but I stuck to cities like Stockholm, Montreal, London, and Berlin where the cost of living was not exactly bargain level. I lived there because I already had friends there, knew the language, and the culture was familiar. Although I enjoyed my experience and have little regrets, I would have chosen EE had I known what I know now.

People in their 20s often think that their 20s are their prime but I feel that this is not the case. Men`s real prime begins in their 30s and if one watches his health and keeps in shape, the prime can extend beyond his 40s (especially in Ukraine or Russia).

This is where Liquid Savings come into play. You'll be mentally, psychologically, and intellectually in much better position to make use of your savings and know enough about the female mind to not fuck things up by getting married like most of my friends did in their 20s. Predictably, they bought expensive houses in the suburbs and tied a massive anchor to their ankles with sub-par wives their own age. I can't even relate to them anymore and some are unrecognizable from how I remember them to be during college...

Make use of your 20s wisely, frugally, and optimistically. Go stack that paper!

[rudebwoy]

^ this in a nutshell is gold and every young guy reading this should follow these guidelines.

20s is for stacking paper.

[Greek kamaki]

In western Europe you get more job prospects in EE you get more fun and women.It is the question what you prefer.Guys choosing EE can find themselves soon in a black hole financially while guys choosing western Europe are likely to lead monotonous,boring,asexual lives.Western Europe for income and EE for fun is always the best combination but it has its own problems as well.
If the solution were easy all guys would have already found it thus making it effectively a no solution.

[Buddha]

(09-23-2014 05:10 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In western Europe you get more job prospects in EE you get more fun and women.It is the question what you prefer.Guys choosing EE can find themselves soon in a black hole financially while guys choosing western Europe are likely to lead monotonous,boring,asexual lives.Western Europe for income and EE for fun is always the best combination but it has its own problems as well.
If the solution were easy all guys would have already found it thus making it effectively a no solution.

Greek kamaki: If you read the post carefully, you will see that what you are saying makes little sense...

[Greek kamaki]

I am saying if EE was obviously better all guys would have moved to EE thus making competition harder.Why does not this happen?Probably because living in western Europe has certain advantages.
Why do EE guys emigrate in mass to the West if EE is such a heaven?You will understand them if you spend a bit time on both sides of the wall.
Essentially they trade women for luxury.Westerners who prefer to emigrate to EE on the other hand trade luxury for women.It is matter of priorities.You cannot have it all.
Even if you try to combine them in one in EU dream meaning working in the West and fucking in the East you get across a lot of logistical problems regarding spending,time benefits vs cost etc which are also not easy to solve.A Westerner visiting EE for sex risks now a lot of comfort in his native country with no certain rewards.An EE guy on the other hand working in the West and sexing in the East is in much better position.

95% of guys do not have location independant jobs so the place of work is the primary question.

[Buddha]

(09-23-2014 04:48 PM)Buddha Wrote:  

Can't have a location-independent lifestyle just yet? Then do with what you have, where you are, and work your fucking ass off in your 20s to make money.

[Greek kamaki]

In your 20's you will make shitty money in Europe.Noone takes you seriously.Only after 35 you can amass some wealth.People are conservative here.

[Buddha]

(09-23-2014 06:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In your 20's you will make shitty money in Europe.Noone takes you seriously.Only after 35 you can amass some wealth.People are conservative here.

[Buddha]

(09-23-2014 06:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In your 20's you will make shitty money in Europe.Noone takes you seriously.Only after 35 you can amass some wealth.People are conservative here.

*Double Post*

[rudebwoy]

Greek makes some great points. EE guys never look back once they leave their respective countries, when they are ready they can always find a girl from the old country to settle down with.
Although I like the region, there are obvious luxuries I would have to sacrifice to live there.

[jtbabycarrots]

100K with no income goes fast. Go blow 20K on travel and pussy, and then come back to reality. Work on building a skill set and figure out how to go location independent. Just my 2 cents.

[Greek kamaki]

If you live in Germany only to visit Poland you need 100 euro per day.This means you can do that if you get the average salary of 2500 euro per month but you will be left with no savings.It is really a risk.Moving to an EE country to work is even bigger risk.So very very few guys manage that.If we consider that Germans are risk aversive you will not see them slaying in their eastern borders although they could.
From Germanic point of view pussy investment in EE is not rewarding(low value/benefit ratio).
From Greek point of view pussy investment in EE is borderline rewarding.(this means you do that although in the back of your head there are better ways to distribute your money).
Guys who consult their cocks in case of investment tend to concentrate in Eastern Europe.

[Buddha]

(09-24-2014 02:35 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Guys who consult their cocks in case of investment tend to concentrate in Eastern Europe.

[stefpdt]

(09-23-2014 04:48 PM)Buddha Wrote:  

Sounds like OP is projecting his own goals instead of the full reality in his post...which is OK because youth comes with its follies. Making money on one`s own terms and being location-independent is a good goal to have. I'm sure a lot of people on this forum aspire for that.

My 2 cents: Lifestyle Arbitrage & Liquid Savings

1) If you are making location-independent income of $5,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.

2) If you are making location-independent income of $10,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.

3) If you are making location-independent income of $20,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.
...you get the idea.

Not only will those EE cities give you better quality of women, the languages you learn, and the social circle you build will give you a lifestyle which would be damn close to Poosy Paradise. You can wield your earning power and have chicks dig your foreign look.

Plus if you are interested in capital investments, many EE countries have better GDP growth outlooks than WE countries, not to mention lower taxes.

Can't have a location-independent lifestyle just yet? Then do with what you have, where you are, and work your fucking ass off in your 20s to make money.

Save, Save, Save during your 20s. I was location-independent in my 20s but I stuck to cities like Stockholm, Montreal, London, and Berlin where the cost of living was not exactly bargain level. I lived there because I already had friends there, knew the language, and the culture was familiar. Although I enjoyed my experience and have little regrets, I would have chosen EE had I known what I know now.

People in their 20s often think that their 20s are their prime but I feel that this is not the case. Men`s real prime begins in their 30s and if one watches his health and keeps in shape, the prime can extend beyond his 40s (especially in Ukraine or Russia).

This is where Liquid Savings come into play. You'll be mentally, psychologically, and intellectually in much better position to make use of your savings and know enough about the female mind to not fuck things up by getting married like most of my friends did in their 20s. Predictably, they bought expensive houses in the suburbs and tied a massive anchor to their ankles with sub-par wives their own age. I can't even relate to them anymore and some are unrecognizable from how I remember them to be during college...

Make use of your 20s wisely, frugally, and optimistically. Go stack that paper!

I was just about to pass the fuck out and then I read this gold and woke back up. This is the best advice that I've seen on location independence in this forum.

[ElJefe1]

(09-14-2014 01:37 AM)Advantage Wrote:  

I have a "cheat code" for game where if I move to a new city I can easily get 5 new lays in a month's time. So staying here doesn't really seem as appealing as moving to a new city.

What is this cheat code??? Please share

[Buddha]

(09-26-2014 05:20 AM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 01:37 AM)Advantage Wrote:  

I have a "cheat code" for game where if I move to a new city I can easily get 5 new lays in a month's time. So staying here doesn't really seem as appealing as moving to a new city.

What is this cheat code??? Please share

Could it possibly be this??? http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-get-a-flag-...pipelining

[Advantage]

Haha dude, I'm not projecting my future, this is my actual objective reality of the amount of money I made in the past 3-4 years. And this year has eclipsed all of that from the original post. I'm now at a level where my monthly expenses being 2k or 5k or 10k is somewhat negligible and I will have a very high savings rate. I am currently location independent, my business can be run 100% functionally from anywhere with an Internet connection. And yes I'm 21 years old (turning 22 soon though, to be fair!)

Guys in this thread have a good point, why leave if I have it made here, I've got a decent harem and my business is incorporated here so I just signed a 12 month lease for my ballin' dream apartment with incredible logistics. I'll take trips that range from 1 week to 1 month at random desirable destinations and perhaps move when I'm a bit older and jaded of this place.

To all of you who can't believe there is someone out there who is young, making relatively decent money independent of their geographic location, and also has some level of game... you're wrong. Limiting belief bro. A ton of my business friends fit this description. Know that you can do it too!

Thanks everyone for the advice, regardless of how much hate I've gotten

As a wise man once said, haters gon' hate

(09-23-2014 04:48 PM)Buddha Wrote:  

Sounds like OP is projecting his own goals instead of the full reality in his post...which is OK because youth comes with its follies. Making money on one`s own terms and being location-independent is a good goal to have. I'm sure a lot of people on this forum aspire for that.

My 2 cents: Lifestyle Arbitrage & Liquid Savings

1) If you are making location-independent income of $5,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.

2) If you are making location-independent income of $10,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.

3) If you are making location-independent income of $20,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.
...you get the idea.

Not only will those EE cities give you better quality of women, the languages you learn, and the social circle you build will give you a lifestyle which would be damn close to Poosy Paradise. You can wield your earning power and have chicks dig your foreign look.

Plus if you are interested in capital investments, many EE countries have better GDP growth outlooks than WE countries, not to mention lower taxes.

Can't have a location-independent lifestyle just yet? Then do with what you have, where you are, and work your fucking ass off in your 20s to make money.

Save, Save, Save during your 20s. I was location-independent in my 20s but I stuck to cities like Stockholm, Montreal, London, and Berlin where the cost of living was not exactly bargain level. I lived there because I already had friends there, knew the language, and the culture was familiar. Although I enjoyed my experience and have little regrets, I would have chosen EE had I known what I know now.

People in their 20s often think that their 20s are their prime but I feel that this is not the case. Men`s real prime begins in their 30s and if one watches his health and keeps in shape, the prime can extend beyond his 40s (especially in Ukraine or Russia).

This is where Liquid Savings come into play. You'll be mentally, psychologically, and intellectually in much better position to make use of your savings and know enough about the female mind to not fuck things up by getting married like most of my friends did in their 20s. Predictably, they bought expensive houses in the suburbs and tied a massive anchor to their ankles with sub-par wives their own age. I can't even relate to them anymore and some are unrecognizable from how I remember them to be during college...

Make use of your 20s wisely, frugally, and optimistically. Go stack that paper!

[Advantage]

That's not what I said. I'm tall, slightly athletic, and fucking 6's, 7's, and 8's... with an occasional possible 8.5. (I pretty much don't give girls 9 or 10 rating unless they are literally top of the top though). The 7's+ I try to keep in rotation.

I've yet to fuck the hottest, hottest girls in my city, and there are a lot of them here. Need to get more status to reach them, or work social circle angle.

I decided to stay here and signed a 12 month lease.

(09-14-2014 12:44 PM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 01:37 AM)Advantage Wrote:  

Current self employed internet marketing job allows me to live wherever I want, though moving right now could definitely complicate shit with my local business setup especially if I move countries
Potential income in multi six figures soon depending on how these IM projects work out
If I had to take a 9-5, would want to have a sales job, like selling cars at a Porsche dealership
Currently dating a couple of girls nearby who I really like. One is basically an escort but doesn't charge me anything. I really don't want to give this up because I've never had this before and don't want to start over again.
I also have a handful of close friends nearby and feel pretty secure in my social circle here. They are mostly pickup guys that are pretty dedicated and a couple of people from college. Don't want to start over with that or lose my connection to these guys.
Since I have been dating the same few girls regularly recently I feel much less leverage for game, don't see the point of working so hard to approach 250 sets to get one lay when I can get laid easily with girls I like more. It took away my drive to spam approach a lot of women but removed my neediness.
I have a "cheat code" for game where if I move to a new city I can easily get 5 new lays in a month's time. So staying here doesn't really seem as appealing as moving to a new city.

Ok, let's see if I got this right. Basically you are tall, athletic, making a shit-ton of money for your age (with your own business) and fucking model quality girls.

On top of that you have the potential to start earning even more money if you stay AND you mention that you don't want to start all over again with the dating and social scene... but somehow you want to move.
All on this on a first post...

[Stickman]

A lot of guys here are sceptical and rightfully so, we get these type of threads all the time. Your first post just screams "tooting my own horn" vibe. It doesn't seem like you're really asking for advice but to just gloat about your own success.

The forum is littered topics similar to your situation. You mean to tell me that you being in the IM industry and you can't even use a simple search function?

[peterthephoenix]

"I decided to stay here and signed a 12 month lease."

@Advantage. Cool man, now that's sorted. Feel free to stay and drop some data-sheets on IM, fitness, social circle guide, your current harem strategies etc. Looking forward to hearing how a young guy like me can up his game.

[The_CEO]

I hope it's for real.

But if not I look forward to his future post asking for advice about flying Ryan Air.

[TheBulldozer]

I'm glad you're doing as well as you are. There are many men in the world who are drinking 40's in 100k of daddy's debt at university, while you're on the black end of 100k annually.

That's great.

But listen man. Be smart. This forum is not a place to boast how big your dick is. I presume you're here because you're willing to drop your ego and listen to other men. Other men who've been where you've been, done what you've done, and made a hell of a lot more than 100-200k/year, yes, even at 21. Sift through the bullshitters and you'll find guys who are seriously doing well for themselves around here.

When people tell you to reign in the ego, or to be humble and smart, it's not because we're a bunch of bitter old men on a rocking chair, disgusted with the youth. It's because we've been there, we know.

Your ballin ass apartment doesn't impress me, nor does your monthly 10k expenses impress me. The hubris of being young and having cash is powerful, and fucking fun, yes I know that, I've been there too man, but there has to be a larger picture of where this is all going too.

Have your fun, but don't come here in a few years with a sob story if things change.

(10-26-2014 02:32 PM)Advantage Wrote:  

Haha dude, I'm not projecting my future, this is my actual objective reality of the amount of money I made in the past 3-4 years. And this year has eclipsed all of that from the original post. I'm now at a level where my monthly expenses being 2k or 5k or 10k is somewhat negligible and I will have a very high savings rate. I am currently location independent, my business can be run 100% functionally from anywhere with an Internet connection. And yes I'm 21 years old (turning 22 soon though, to be fair!)

Guys in this thread have a good point, why leave if I have it made here, I've got a decent harem and my business is incorporated here so I just signed a 12 month lease for my ballin' dream apartment with incredible logistics. I'll take trips that range from 1 week to 1 month at random desirable destinations and perhaps move when I'm a bit older and jaded of this place.

To all of you who can't believe there is someone out there who is young, making relatively decent money independent of their geographic location, and also has some level of game... you're wrong. Limiting belief bro. A ton of my business friends fit this description. Know that you can do it too!

Thanks everyone for the advice, regardless of how much hate I've gotten

As a wise man once said, haters gon' hate

(09-23-2014 04:48 PM)Buddha Wrote:  

Sounds like OP is projecting his own goals instead of the full reality in his post...which is OK because youth comes with its follies. Making money on one`s own terms and being location-independent is a good goal to have. I'm sure a lot of people on this forum aspire for that.

My 2 cents: Lifestyle Arbitrage & Liquid Savings

1) If you are making location-independent income of $5,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.

2) If you are making location-independent income of $10,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.

3) If you are making location-independent income of $20,000/mth then cross-off all Western European destinations and go to a city where you can live for $2,000.
...you get the idea.

Not only will those EE cities give you better quality of women, the languages you learn, and the social circle you build will give you a lifestyle which would be damn close to Poosy Paradise. You can wield your earning power and have chicks dig your foreign look.

Plus if you are interested in capital investments, many EE countries have better GDP growth outlooks than WE countries, not to mention lower taxes.

Can't have a location-independent lifestyle just yet? Then do with what you have, where you are, and work your fucking ass off in your 20s to make money.

Save, Save, Save during your 20s. I was location-independent in my 20s but I stuck to cities like Stockholm, Montreal, London, and Berlin where the cost of living was not exactly bargain level. I lived there because I already had friends there, knew the language, and the culture was familiar. Although I enjoyed my experience and have little regrets, I would have chosen EE had I known what I know now.

People in their 20s often think that their 20s are their prime but I feel that this is not the case. Men`s real prime begins in their 30s and if one watches his health and keeps in shape, the prime can extend beyond his 40s (especially in Ukraine or Russia).

This is where Liquid Savings come into play. You'll be mentally, psychologically, and intellectually in much better position to make use of your savings and know enough about the female mind to not fuck things up by getting married like most of my friends did in their 20s. Predictably, they bought expensive houses in the suburbs and tied a massive anchor to their ankles with sub-par wives their own age. I can't even relate to them anymore and some are unrecognizable from how I remember them to be during college...

Make use of your 20s wisely, frugally, and optimistically. Go stack that paper!

[xmlenigma]

Buddha are you also into IM ..is that how you got Location Independent in your 20s?

[ONE A DAY]

(09-14-2014 02:31 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Roosh, here's a suggestion:
to avoid newbies making repetitive and trolling threads, limit the option to start threads to guys with at least 100 posts. Would reduce the number of trolling threads by a good 99%!

I don't agree with that. This rule would have jeopardized my whole last minute trip to Colombia (Which was SUCCESSFUL due to the information I was able to collect on my thread).

If not a Gold member = Minimum of 100 posts before first Thread.
If a Gold Member = Granted ability to create threads right away.

[peterthephoenix]

@runner2k - This could cause people to do a bunch of spammy commenting to get their post count up.

I would suggest getting your first rep point could be a good way to award ability to create threads. Give value, get privileges.