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#51

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Did you see the palaces, temples, various buddhas, weekend & floating markets etc?

There are a lot of cool things to see in BKK but not like it's wonders of the world or anything so wouldn't beat yourself too much about missing things.
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#52

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Gringo,
I remember you mentioning that you also spent a few months in BKK, right? Where in BKK did you stay? Was it in Sukhumvit or in another area of town? I'm very curious to learn about new parts of town as next time, I would like to stay outside of Sukhumvit, but not too far from it while near the BTS. Any suggestions man?
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#53

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Yeah, I did the usual touristy stuff, like visiting the temples, chinatown etc...but didn't go to the floating markets as they were usually very early in the morning and when I was there, let's just say I wasn't a morning person. LOL But next time, that'll be high on my list of things to do. Btw, have you or anyone been to the Siam Ocean World, in Siam Paragon? It's claimed to be the biggest aquarium/marine museum in Asia. I really wanted to go there, but left it for the last few days and with my luck, the final days there, I was down with a bad flu and wasn't able to go at the end. So anyone here has been there and is it worth it?

Quote: (04-23-2011 06:51 AM)Gringo Wrote:  

Did you see the palaces, temples, various buddhas, weekend & floating markets etc?

There are a lot of cool things to see in BKK but not like it's wonders of the world or anything so wouldn't beat yourself too much about missing things.
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#54

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It was off Sukhumvit but quite far along and not really in the main touristy bit.
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Have been in Bangkok for past few nights after a wicked time in Vietnam and here are my mixed thoughts

To me it seems 99% of Thais are great, honest, friendly people, but the 1 % involved in tourism have really been giving me the shits....

I cannot complain since i chose to stay in Khao San road for old times sake, but seriously F OFF suit people, F off boom boom ping pong drivers, F OFF ridiculous cab fares when leaving from Khao San compared to coming back etc.....

However, have been going every day to Fitness First Central Pinklao plaza!!!

WOW this gym is incredible with Sauna, aromatherapy, great classes, coffee soft drinks (ironic) all included http://www.fitnessfirst.co.th/th/home.asp go to this link, to get 3 day pass [Image: wink.gif]

Hotel suggestions near Khao San road: For the mega budget and seedy, try lucky guesthouse close to Police station end.... This place is 400 baht, and no problems to bring back girls

A little bit seedy so me and my brother moved to DANG DERM which is in the middle on Khao san road.... Great rooms for 1100 baht, really cool japanese style rooms.... and awesome rooftop swimming pool

Brought back a bird last night, and had to pay 500 baht, so not too bad on the pocket

Girls wise: mixed feelings.... First night i went to an absolutely LOOSE club and left when sun was coming up, was giving it a fair crack to the locals, and getting all sort of groping and sexual harassment my way (in a good way [Image: smile.gif]

But then when you have spent an hour working on a girl, and go to finalize, " YOU GIVE ME 1000 BAHT".... anyway, this happened twice, and 3rd time lucky, the girl believed in free love, but was not a pretty one ha

Yesterday went to Le Club on Khao San and got a cutey back with ease... this is the LOOSEST easiest place to hook up i have ever been....

Last night in Bangkok tonight so going for the tri fecta!

And i have been utterly impressed with so many Israeli beauties floating about.... Going to a wedding in Israel after Bangkok, and have been making some Facebook mates that will be back in Tel Aviv around that time [Image: smile.gif] hopefully good prospects

Final verdict: if girl issue is not relevant Vietnam was heaps more enjoyable! And the people were all very genuine and many spoke English.... Cant wait for Israel [Image: smile.gif]
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#56

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People in Thailand who are selling stuff in general are a lot more laid back and non aggressive than in other parts of Asia. I don't feel like I ever got hassled in Thailand.

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But then when you have spent an hour working on a girl, and go to finalize, " YOU GIVE ME 1000 BAHT".... anyway, this happened twice, and 3rd time lucky, the girl believed in free love, but was not a pretty one ha

Which after hours club were you in, Spicy? These places are full of whores, normal girls don't go to the seedy afterhour places so you got to expect to pay for it or shore.

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Yesterday went to Le Club on Khao San and got a cutey back with ease... this is the LOOSEST easiest place to hook up i have ever been....

A whore?

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if girl issue is not relevant Vietnam was heaps more enjoyable! And the people were all very genuine and many spoke English

Vietnam for me personally was my least fave country in the whole of SE Asia. I enjoyed it but it wasn't nearly as fun as Thailand, Cambodia or Laos, much busier too everywhere you go, people not nearly as friendly, lots of hassle (can't even enjoy a bite to eat or a drink without someone trying to sell you books, watches, lighters etc). Some cool things to see (Halong Bay for example) but just not as enjoyable over all. Thailand would win for me every time.
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Quote: (04-28-2011 08:04 AM)Gringo Wrote:  

People in Thailand who are selling stuff in general are a lot more laid back and non aggressive than in other parts of Asia. I don't feel like I ever got hassled in Thailand.


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But then when you have spent an hour working on a girl, and go to finalize, " YOU GIVE ME 1000 BAHT".... anyway, this happened twice, and 3rd time lucky, the girl believed in free love, but was not a pretty one ha

Which after hours club were you in, Spicy? These places are full of whores, normal girls don't go to the seedy afterhour places so you got to expect to pay for it or shore.
Not spicy... Had a big podium in the center, and as soon as you walk in the bar is on diagonal side.....??? Probably not the best explanation
Yes very whorish vibe, i kept at it, and took home one of the less glamorous girls

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Yesterday went to Le Club on Khao San and got a cutey back with ease... this is the LOOSEST easiest place to hook up i have ever been....

A whore? Correct but shored

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if girl issue is not relevant Vietnam was heaps more enjoyable! And the people were all very genuine and many spoke English

Vietnam for me personally was my least fave country in the whole of SE Asia. I enjoyed it but it wasn't nearly as fun as Thailand, Cambodia or Laos, much busier too everywhere you go, people not nearly as friendly, lots of hassle (can't even enjoy a bite to eat or a drink without someone trying to sell you books, watches, lighters etc). Some cool things to see (Halong Bay for example) but just not as enjoyable over all. Thailand would win for me every time.

I hear that all the time... i guess i have made my decision about Thailand years ago..... I only got hassled in Vietnam in District 1.... also in beach towns by moto renters....

I shouldnt judge a city by a shitty tourist street i guess
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Quote: (04-25-2011 08:12 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

I'm very curious to learn about new parts of town as next time, I would like to stay outside of Sukhumvit, but not too far from it while near the BTS. Any suggestions man?

I have been doing some research on this. The area between the Siam and Chit Lom stations is pretty dope. I got lost and accidentally discovered the market in between this area. I felt like I was walking on Robson Street.

I will write a proper data sheet after a few months.
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Not spicy... Had a big podium in the center, and as soon as you walk in the bar is on diagonal side.....??? Probably not the best explanation
Yes very whorish vibe, i kept at it, and took home one of the less glamorous girls

I think I know the one you mean but I don't remember the name. Ended up there one night.
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Quote: (04-28-2011 10:16 AM)Mystik Wrote:  

I got lost and accidentally discovered the market in between this area. I felt like I was walking on Robson Street.

I went to local market in Pattaya (Jomtien area), walked there for two hours and haven't seen a single white person there. And everyone paid no attention to me, which was fresh air from annoying "hey sexy man" all the way around.
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#61

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bump.

Anyone have experience with day game in Bangkok? Or is it unnecessary, given the insane night life?
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#62

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You don't really need to as you'll not struggle to meet girls at night but it's possible. If you approach girls in shopping centres or even the ones working there and ask for their number 9/10 you'll get it.
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How about language barriers between Thai chicks and foreign guys? Will they be able to understand my clever puns?
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#64

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Keep it simple, even the ones with really good English are not likely to get sarcasm or wit. It's the same the world over, you can be a foreign speaker with a great grasp of the language but something are only understood by native speakers.
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Hey VP, great datasheet! I'm in the Khao San Rd area but I think I'm going to venture back up to Sukhumvit. Do you have any tips for negotiating a low rate with a quality hotel like Unico Express? 700B is amazing!
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Hey Gringo,
How do you like BKK so far? How long are you in LOS?
Best way to negotiate is go there in person. What I did was book 3-4 nights though agoda.com and once there, if I liked the place, I'd tell them that I want to stay for a month maybe more if they give me a good deal. Just game them the way you would game a chick, sweet talk them and all that shit. Unico Express while they gave me a good rate, maynot be in the best area as it's right in the middle of the sleaziest place yet it is an amazing location for getting to clubs and arabic restaurants and all.
Better than Unico Express, I'd suggest you Nantra de Comfort on Thong Lo. A very classy area, way better than soi Nana. It'll be a bit more expensive, but I'm sure you can stay there for about 20-25 bucks a night and you can work out a good deal with them if you stay there long time. But do it fast as this as a small boutique hotel and it is very popular and gets booked fast. Plus the 2 ladies working at the reception are quite hot and speak good english and are very friendly and helpful. One even came up to my room to fix my wifi when I checked in. Still kicking myself for not having made a move on her at that time.
Btw, how is the flooding situation in BKK now?
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I recently got convinced to post my datasheets also in the forum, so here we go:

I have been to Bangkok in July 2011.


Clubs – Overview

Tourists: Khao San road.

Non-pros: Before 2am Funky Villa, afterwards Scratchdog. I did not see any prostitutes there, and few foreigners/tourists, but it is not that easy to meet girls there.

Mixed non-pros and hookers (hookers are not obvious, but are the most receptive, which makes it hard to know what you get): Before 2am Q-Bar, Bed Supper Club, RCA, after 2am Narcissus (I guess it belongs in this category from what I have heard).


Clubs – More Detailed

Khao San road: backpackers from around the world, some hookers, some thai girls that look for white guys. To make sure that you don’t end up with a hooker you can go for the tourists: they are not as easy as the Thai girls, but still on holiday, but it felt strange for me to be in Thailand and try to pick up Germans or Australians. It is an every night backpacker party.

Sukuhumvit Soi 11: Q-Bar, Bed Supper Club, Climax (and some small bars). Q and Supper are high-end and expensive. Real girls go here (got rejected in both Q-Bar and Bed Supper Club), but also lots of prostitutes, so the ones that are receptive could be very well prostitutes. Climax, people go there after 2 am, many hookers. Insomnia is also close and very popular after 2am, but also expect lots of prostitutes.

Sukuhumvit Soi Cowboy (Soi 21-23), Nana Plaza, Patpong: dedicated hooker territory, I didn’t go there

Sukuhumvit Soi 4: high school kids, Zaleng Club (from what i have heard / read)

Sukuhumvit Soi 5: Volk bar (someone from Roosh wrote that he met student girls there, I didn’t go there)

Narcissus: high end club like Q-Bar and Bed-Supper Club, but in Sukuhumvit Soi 23 (I didn’t go there)

RCA = Royal City Avenue (in particular Route66 and also Flex/Slim): Looks like a nice place (no obvious hookers and real people are partying), I thought I met real girls there (got also rejected), but in the end at least one girl turned out be a hooker, even though she didn’t take money and it was a fun, normal evening. (According to internet: used to be rich girls, car owning, easy to meet; now hookers and many foreigners.)

Funky Villa (in Thong Lor Soi 10, also Muse and Demo are there, not far away from Sukuhumvit). That’s were the rich Thai go now to party, very few white guys, but hard to hook up.


Skybars: Sirocco. Vertigo. Red Sky. I was in the highest one, also “the hangover” was there, the view was spectacular, the drinks were expensive.


After 2am:

Thais: Scratchdog (Windsor Hotel, Soi 20)

Mixed Thais/Pros: Narcissus (I was told that it belongs in this category)

Pros: Mixx, Climax, Spicy, Shock 39, Insomnia, after hour opposite of Spicy. Some of this places actually look nice. I have been to Mixx, Climax, Insomnia.


Most of these places are open and full every night! RCA is more people in the weekends.


My Experience

Short version: In ten days I slept with 3 girls and could have slept with at least 2 more. I didn’t pay any of them for sex, but at least of one girl I figured out afterwards that she was working as a hooker, and I probably was going out with a ladyboy.


Friday, Soi 11: „Q“ and „Bed Supper Club“ and “Climax”

Q and Bed have a high entrance fee, 800 Baht and 700 Baht, including 2 drinks each.

I got rejected in my first 2 sets in the “Bed” and the first in the “Q” (which I take as a good thing, it shows that real people go there).

Girl 1: Hot, in the bed supper club, I started touching early and she didn’t object. But she actually left, after my friend left and her friend was alone. I got her phone number on her way out. When I called her the next day, she was very focused on meeting me. We arranged a meeting, and then she sends me a message “my friend her like u. u want see her again on tomorrow?” I got suspicious and cancelled the meeting.

Girl 2: Amazingly hot, when I asked her what her job was, she replied “a bad one” and smiled. I left.

Afterwards I went to the climax. The club is ugly and feels ugly. Girls approached me, even though I didn’t even try to look interesting or interested, I left.


Saturday: RCA, i.e. “Route 66”

(First “Bangkok beat”, which is full of freelancers, I easily got a number there, but I never called.)

RCA: I liked the club, people seemed to genuinely enjoy in there. I got rejected a couple of times.

Girl 3: She danced in a circle (there are many groups like this), I open with “hey, who is the birthday girl!?” It didn’t matter that none of them had birthday. But the music was too loud to keep up a conversation, I got her phone number after a couple of minutes (“You should show me around in Bangkok!”) and I left.

Girl 4: She also partied with her friends, but in the outside more quite area. We partied together, they gave me a drink from their bottle, we went to another club “insomnia” with her friends when the route 66 closed (I paid the taxi and the entrance for her, but she didn’t ask for it, and she paid another drink for me), we went to my place and had sex without hesitation, she paid the taxi home for herself. I thought I had sex with a genuine girl.


Sunday:

I call girl 3, we meet, have dinner, go to the cinema (I hold her hand but she doesn’t wanna kiss me), we go to a bar have a drink, I cannot take her to my hotel (I was staying at a hostel with a single room, and they had complained about girl 4 in the afternoon), we go to the worst hotel ever, it’s dirty, we have sex anyway, and then we separate (after her resisting, cause she didn’t want to separate and wouldn’t understand why she cannot sleep at my hotel). I meet her again on Monday, she doesn’t enjoy the sightseeing with me, only wants to go the hotel with me to have sex, which puts me off, we split up, she sends me a message at 11pm “What are you doing? I’m bored :p”, her being so sexual starts to frighten me, she calls me like 10 times the next days, and sends like 15 messages, and wants to meet me. If I didn’t make sure she was a girl (I checked her id), I would have thought she must a lady-boy, how else can you be so only interested in sex?


Monday: Khaosan road

After having got rid of girl 3, I meet with 3 male tourist couchsurfers and a female thai couchsurfer.

We have some drinks together and talk about the girls. She finds it funny that me and the other guys are afraid of ladyboys and hookers. I try a couple of approaches, but I was quite tired and didn’t enjoy Khaoson road.

Girl 5: I meet another couchsurfing girl, she is already with other guys, but they are just drunken and don’t care for her, but I am also too tired for her and go home.

Girl 6: I realized that the first couchsurfing girl liked me (she ignored the other guys in favor of me), but she was not really my type, and after having slept with 2 beautiful girls the last nights, I had preferred to try with the girls in kaosan road, and as she had seen all this, I thought I would not be interesting for her anymore. But when I am already at the hotel, she sends me a message that she misses me! I ask her to have a drink at the area close to my hotel, she refuses, but wants to go to the full moon party with me. (I even considered it for some time, but I read on the forum here that it is a cockfest, and this fits to my experiences with overhyped party locations, so I don’t go).


Tuesday:

Girl 7: I meet a couchsurfer, she shows me around in the afternoon, she is a cool girl, I like her (even though optically she is below girl 3 and girl 4), in the evening I go out with her and her sister, I pay the dinner for them in a quite cheap restaurant but they pay me a drink later and give me a card that gets me free entrance in the bed and q club. In the course of the evening I also got to see their place (one had forgotten her id), their room is as big as my hotel room, and overall not nice. We go to the “Funky Villa”, I am the only white there. After the club closes, I take my girl to the hotel with me (I had moved to a different one, which doesn’t make problems with girls), she is the first girl to give me some resistance, I like her, and I let her stay over night. She sends me some nice messages the next days, I think of meeting her again, but I am just too busy.


Wednesday:

Couchsurfing meeting, mainly foreigners, but an ugly American girl and a nice thai girl seem interested in me, but I don’t go for it. Instead we go to the RCA, Route 66 again.

Girl 8: I meet a nice girl, we touch and dance, I rub my dick on her, as an experiment, to see what’s possible in this country. It didn’t go well, she pushes me away but we keep dancing, but after 1 hour she goes home, because she has to work the next day. I get her phone number, but she doesn’t reply on my messages the next day. [She called again on Sunday, wanted to meet in the RCA, I suggested to join us at the Funky Villa, she rejected, and when I texted to come to Skratch Dog, she said she already went to bed.] Afterwards I go with the other male couchsurfers again to the insomnia, where I was already with girl 4 on Saturday. Only now I realize that the place is full of hookers. One random girl just kisses me, I run to the bathroom, wash my mouth and leave the club.


Thursday:

Girl 9: RCA again, she is super hot and parties with friends, after the club closes we all go together to the “Mixx”. I get a free taxi ride and free entrance cause of them (they have some card). She asks me whether I want to share a bottle with them, I say ok, we are in five, it costs 2000 baht, I give 1000 and expect to get change, but no. Then we run out of mixers, she says she will give me back the money, I pay 500, but she only gives me 100 after I complain. I tell her not to use me, which she doesn’t like, she doesn’t come to the hotel with me, but wants to see me again, but I don’t, also because she had no good answer for what her job is.


Friday:

I meet girl 4 again for dinner, because she picks an expensive restaurant, I let her pay on her own, afterwards we go straight to my room to have sex, we talk for a long time, I ask some questions and I start getting convinced that she works as a hooker (i.e. she has no job, doesn’t study, her parents don’t pay for her, and she doesn’t want to tell me what she does), which disappoints me.

Girl 10: I meet a couchsurfer, at 2 a.m., she comes with a nice car, she gets me free entrance in the insomnia (it already makes me suspect that we go that club, due to my experience on Wednesday). She is not drunk but wants me to drink and is overtly sexual (especially considering that she is from CS!), speaks about ping pong shows and says that the table dancer is sexy. Somehow I suspect she is a man, her hands are just slightly smaller than mine, I ask in a non overtly manner for her id. She says she doesn’t have it with her, but gets out a bunch of cards, literally 50, I think I spot her id, but she pulls my hand away, and gives me instead a shitty card where everything is written in Thai. No way, I don’t want to take any chances, I go home. But I have to say, if she was indeed a man – be aware of the ladyboys, they can be the hottest looking girl in the club!


Saturday:

I meet girl 5 for lunch, I want to speak with a Thai girl about some of my experiences from the last days, she says I think too much and that girls here just like sex. She doesn’t understand why I didn’t meet girl 1. She openly says she goes out to meet white guys, cause she doesn’t like Thai. She also has a Swiss boyfriend, but she says he doesn’t pay for her.

I think, let’s try whether you can also get this one, even after our conversation, I suggest to go swimming at my hotel, we pick up her swimming cloth at her place (again a small room that she shares with a friend, I believe her that she is a student), at my hotel I start kissing her, she says she is confused (probably due to our heavy conversation at the beginning), but then she doesn’t resist anymore and gets comfortable in my bed. I see that I could have her, but I am tired and say that I want to sleep, also girl 9 wants to meet me, but that evening I really stay alone in my hotel, just sleeping after so many days of party.


Sunday – daygame and Funky Villa:

It was raining, so unfortunately I couldn’t try the park (my favorite daytime venue at home). I went to different shopping malls (Paragon (posh) at Siam, and a down to earth one close to the Lumphini park [which is huge and according to the Internet the best one; there is also the small Santichaiprakarn park close to Khao San road]. In both malls I couldn’t really find hotties that were in easy to approach situations. In the supermarket the clerks didn’t look so hot, the shopping girls were not so hot, the shops were small and all the few cute female shop clerks that I saw also had a male shop clerk with them. Finally I got two daytime phone numbers, in the skytrain. Asking girls for info where to go out. The first one, I got the phone number from her not so hot friend, as the hottie didn’t speak English. Second one was a business woman (very neatly dressed), my friend with experience in Bangkok said it would be impossible to get her number, challenge, I had a low-key conversation as explained before, asked her to show me around one day, she gave me the number without hesitation. Moreover, she gave her bags to hold to some guy that I realized only at this point. Sadly, I couldn’t follow up on this numbers as I left Thailand the next day and ran out of phone credit, so I don’t actually know whether I could have gotten a date.

In the evening we went to the Funky Villa. My friend with Bangkok experience, another expat, his local girlfriend, and 4 english girls. One of the English girls tried with me, she was not hot, and vomited in the end cause she was so drunk. The local girls gave a shit about us, 6 approaches of mine failed miserably (I tried in the quiet outside areas, girls were without guys there). Also the social proof of the English girls didn’t help. In the end I kissed a Korean girl. She looked at me, I didn’t realize it, but my friend told me (that happened already before in other clubs, I have to pay more attention!). She was hot, already with guys (they didn’t like me), she didn’t want to go home with me, and her fucking phone didn’t work, so I only got her email address. Anyway, I left the next day.


Conclusion

Girls are hot, the parties are good fun, the city is safe and nice. I had good success here, but the problem is that I got the feeling that one can never be sure about the girls’ real motives. The girl you meet can be easily a part-time hooker (even if you don’t go to the obvious places), or maybe she just looks for long-term benefits. This matters to some guys (including me), but many guys (especially many of the guys I met in Bangkok) couldn’t care less. The other interesting fact is that for many part-time hooker men fall into three different categories: some guys get it for free, some guys have to pay, some guys get rejected.

I did not try enough daygame to have an opinion about that ...

I just posted in the forum my experiences in most of the cities I have been to!
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#68

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As mentioned in another thread I'll be going to BKK in a couple of months. Any pointers on what the best addresses in the city are at if you're not staying in a hotel?
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So, just to confirm euro lover...You may or may not have had sex with a ladyboy, you're not sure. Is that correct?

I have been up and down sukhumvit but one place I went that maybe the average visitor may not be aware of is a little plaza of bars that are pretty much all thai. I remember it being right around the Rachathewi station on the east side of the road. Nice collection of 7 or so venues with 99% thai people. Nice destination if you like being the only farang (Thai for gringo) around. Little off the beaten path of usual tourist spots and not highend nightclub scene. Good place to start the night and make some friends.

If you are able to go beyond learning the basic thai words Hello, Thank You etc... it will be a world of difference. If you can use 20 or so words/phrases it will help you out a lot its worth it.
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My German friend (ginger) went to Bangkok for 5 days. He got laid with at least one girl per night (and they are not hookers). He told me during his five-day stay there, he banged 6 girls.
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@ LowerCaseG

To be sure whether she is really female, you need to see the id. I would ask them for their family name, would then pretend not to understand, and ask for their id. All except for one showed me happily their ids. They cannot leagaly change their gender, so the id always speaks the truth.

And you remember a name of these clubs you mentioned?

@ Raoul

Prostitutes in Bangkok work differently than in Germany. Many are just freelancers. You meet them in normal clubs, and if you are cool guy they will not ask you for money. As long as you don't ask them about their job, you will never know. But, if you are not around and they need money, they might very well suck several other guys cock and fuck them (without condoms) the next day.

@ Vicious

I was staying in the hotels in Sukhumvit Soi 11, they were cheap and good. The area is a bit seedy, but well, it's Bangkok. A guy I met in Bangkok rented an appartment for 1 month for cheap money in the same street and was happy with it.

I just posted in the forum my experiences in most of the cities I have been to!
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Wicked thread everyone, thanks VP and others.

Just a quick query, how is BKK nightlife during the week, sun-weds?

I'm here now and about to go explore so I'm sure I'll find out the answer soon, and Im guessing it's still busy mid-week in parts?

Would be nice to find a couple of easy venues (Climax, Khao san?) for weekdays.


Oh btw GLOW is a sick club for anyone who likes good electronic music. Reminded me of some of the better small places in London. Hardly any thais, but the ones that were there were good fun and trendy, and the rest were an interesting mix of study-abroad students, expats and tourists, a few cute girls mixed in.
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Be careful, Iranian psychos are on the loose.

Glad the bastard lost both of his legs and survived!

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/27...gkok-bombs
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Yeah Scary. I was in Ekamai about half an hour before that! Not close though thankfully. Idiot threw his bomb but it hit a tree, bounced back and blew his leg off. And dont they understand that this is all just providing justification and fuel for the US / Israel war machine, and going to give them ALOT MORE of exactly what they are upset about.
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Apartments in Bangkok

Been intensively apartment hunting in BKK here. It's all pretty confusing at first but I've figure it out now...Here's the resources I've found really useful:

Finding Serviced Apartments

As someone mentioned, the SoiDB site (http://www.soidb.com) is perfect for finding serviced apartments - e.g. apartments for stays of a few months, usually with some level of cleaning included, rented through a property management business that means you are fairly sure of getting your deposit back.

Unserviced apartments and Condos are better value, but have some disadvantages:

-All seem to need at least a 6-month lease. This can be negotiated, some will do shorter rentals.

-You will be dealing with the landlord, or going through a real estate agent. From what I've heard both options are notoriously dodgy for getting your deposit back. Landlords can pull all kinds of stuff and it may take a visit to the police with original documents to get your money back. Which may be impossible if you're flying out after.

Agencies are not much better - plenty of people still have trouble despite the "protection" the agency offers, which is really nothing. One person told me that some take a chunk of the deposit as comission from the landlord behind your back, then fob you off after you've left the country.

The Answer: Serviced apartments. They are leased directly by the company that owns the building, who are much less likely to cheat you and tarnish their reputation, as opposed to agencies who can pass the blame to the landlord. So, use agencies to find serviced apartments, and sign directly with the serviced apt.

Great site for finding them:
http://www.soidb.com


How it all works, renting in Thailand (this company's site is falling apart, but their FAQ is golden):
http://www.bangkokapartmentsforrent.com/Faq.html

And here's another nice breakdown of serviced apartments in BKK, with a note of a couple of dodgy ones.
http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_gu...gkok_.html

Here's an awesome map of EVERY apartment and condo in BKK. This Kobayashi agency serve mainly Japanese, but are on top of their game. They also rate every place. Click on any to get a summary and you can translate the description in Google Translate.
http://www.kobayashi.co.th/Thaigo/sukhum...humvit.htm


Using an agency to find serviced apartments: They charge the serviced apartments a fee to list. You tell the agency your budget, they give you a list of available places to visit for free. They make their money from a listing fee. You sign the contract with the serviced apartment directly.


What I'm doing is finding places on SoiDB and using agencies to suggest places for my budget. For each place I find on SoiDB I google "(name of place) kobayashi" to find a rating and description from that japanese agency. Then I'm contacting/visiting the apartments and when I settle on one I'll sign with the apartment.


Making sure you get your deposit back:
http://www.apartmentbangkok.net/viewarticle.asp?id=112

I emailed the guy who write that and he said most of the problems in that article dont come up with serviced apartments. He added the following:

"Just make sure that you get letter head receipts for everything and you'll be fine. If you notice any obvious defects or damages in the unit when you move in, you should get these noted also to avoid any risk of having to take responsibility for these when you move out."


Hope that clarifies things for anyone looking for a pad in this awesome but confusing city [Image: wink.gif]
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