[Savonarola]

(03-08-2019 02:54 PM)womanapproacher2 Wrote:  

I recently got arrested running day game.

So yes, I do think it is the worst way to meet women.

bruh.
bruh.
smh
details please.

[womanapproacher2]

I posted a thread but Roosh deleted it and banned my original account accusing me of spamming.

Ironically, the image I posted of the arrest details were to prove I was not trolling. It was the free image hosting website that I had to use because of the crappy forum attachment file size limit that had an advertising link attached to the hot linked image.

Roosh, in his seemingly unlimited stupidity thought I had posted the marketing link.

Edit: I was wrong about the thread, he had not deleted the thread, simply locked it.

Here's the full story

thread-72442...43478.html

I always used to joke about getting arrested for running day game, but I never thought it would actually happen.

[Savonarola]

(03-08-2019 03:47 PM)womanapproacher2 Wrote:  

I posted a thread but Roosh deleted it and banned my original account accusing me of spamming.

Ironically, the image I posted of the arrest details were to prove I was not trolling. It was the free image hosting website that I had to use because of the crappy forum attachment file size limit that had an advertising link attached to the hot linked image.

Roosh, in his seemingly unlimited stupidity thought I had posted the marketing link.

Edit: I was wrong about the thread, he had not deleted the thread, simply locked it.

Here's the full story

thread-72442...43478.html

I always used to joke about getting arrested for running day game, but I never thought it would actually happen.

Oh, you're THAT guy.
Roosh might've banned/locked you because you were hitting on minors. That crap could ruin the forum, legally speaking.
Stick with 18 and up. If you're unsure of the age, don't approach.
Does this really need explaining?

[kaotic]

(03-08-2019 03:47 PM)womanapproacher2 Wrote:  

I posted a thread but Roosh deleted it and banned my original account accusing me of spamming.

Ironically, the image I posted of the arrest details were to prove I was not trolling. It was the free image hosting website that I had to use because of the crappy forum attachment file size limit that had an advertising link attached to the hot linked image.

Roosh, in his seemingly unlimited stupidity thought I had posted the marketing link.

Edit: I was wrong about the thread, he had not deleted the thread, simply locked it.

Here's the full story

thread-72442...43478.html

I always used to joke about getting arrested for running day game, but I never thought it would actually happen.

So you call the owner of the forum stupid, got it.

It wasn't just spam, you were talking about underage girls (under 18) dummy.

And since you were banned, you came back, which means you're gonna get banned again.

[bigbadpua]

I usually go with the incidental daygame approach. But once a while I go out to a daygame session. What has not been talked about is, that walking around for two hours is a good exercise. I always liked to walk, so after I learned to approach during the day, even better.

[Kentemo]

What's the best advice to learn how to day game? (besides just doing it).

[whatusername]

(03-08-2019 06:23 PM)Kentemo Wrote:  

What's the best advice to learn how to day game? (besides just doing it).

doing it consistently on a daily basis. making a few daygame sets part of your daily routine.

when rejected take a few minutes later in the day and think how you could have done it differently if you did something wrong.

todd valentine has some home exercises in his "daygame," but I think only irl field experience will improve you.

[Macomber]

(10-29-2018 10:13 AM)corsega Wrote:  

I audio and video record every set with a hidden wearable camera. "Laser eye contact" with every approach. I have an intimidating look and am often so forceful that I get blown out.

Hi Corsega, can you share what video equipment you use?

I want to buy some equipment to video record my approaches. Would be really helpful to know which tech is already field tested by a fellow daygamer.

Thanks!

[moonlight_sonata]

Here are my 2 cents on day game.

It was very difficult to start. I had panic attacks trying to approach a girl on the street. And this is after years of night game where I am an approach machine. I can approach all girls in a night venue if I decide to. With time and approaches I got super comfortable to approach during the day (in comparison to the beginning). I still have approach anxiety every once in a while, especially in tricky situations, but that's O.K. Day game gives me access to girls that I can't get during the night. I'm living in a small hill-billy sort of place with pretty bad night scene - limited places to go out, everyone knows everyone, I don't fit in as a foreigner etc. So day game was the right way to change direction to.

After doing it for half a year I can say it is getting much easier to approach. In the beginning I dedicated 1 hour a day to approach 1 girl. That was my target number of approaches. If I did more great. It was hard though. I had to visit multiple places in order to hit my target number. Sometimes I had to go around for 1 hour to meet 1 girl. Big waste of time. But I had to do it because what's the alternative? Approach anxiety stopped me from approaching a lot of the targets even once I found them. I had to travel around to find good spots to approach. I made a list with locations that I can rotate on a weekly basis so I don't frequent the same places too often. That all takes time and dedication. I understand how difficult it is to get that all figured out.

Here is a general idea of how I've done it:
Monday: visit 2-3 supermarkets close to work. Try to approach 1 girl.
Tuesday: visit 2-3 supermarkets close to home. Try to approach 1 girl.
Wednesday: go to the mall. Try to approach 1 girl.
Thursday: visit 2-3 retail shops (Marshalls, Target, TJ Max?). Try to approach 1 girl.
Friday: go to the other mall. Try to approach 1 girl.
Saturday: go to a different supermarket close to home and try to approach 1 girl.
Sunday: go to the main street. Try to do some street game or coffee shop game.

Now that is dedication. After doing this for a month or two you'll find what places give you the best ROI on your time. The one thing I hated was the long walking in and out of stores that resulted with me meeting no girls. I think my biggest lesson that I got from all this was that now I can go to any place in the world and find the good places to day game/night game with relative ease. I know what I am looking and I have a baseline to compare to.

Since I started in a place that is generally small I had to optimize a lot. An opportunity to approach can appear out of nowhere and I have to be ready to do it right there and then because who knows how long I have to wait for another approach opportunity. So that made me take quick action because of the scarcity of girls.

Now that I am traveling to big cities that scarcity mindset has made me hyperaware of targets during the day. I see a girl coming on the other side of the street - I cross and open her. I see a girl going into a supermarket - I enter and find a good way to approach her. When in a coffee shop I chose a place next to a good looking girl so I can open her when she leaves. I look around at the line in a coffee shop and go there to get another cup of tea if there is a cute girl standing there. Same with throwing my trash - if there is a girl there I go do it. This is why I always keep napkins on my coffee shop table so that I can go throw them out. In a big city you have to waste much less time doing approaches and trying to optimize your game. It sucks in the small cities. The sheer numbers in a big city helps a lot.

After I started to be comfortable approaching I can do consistently 7 girls in a day for spending 1 hour or during my daily activity. Even in my hill-billy place where I am living I can hit 7 girls a day (if I'm lucky). Most result in nothing - good chat and that's it. The numbers I get go nowhere. I think for the past 6 months I've got only a couple of dates from day game that have gone nowhere.

May be things will get easier. May be I'll get lucky. But the more I do it the more my results will approach the normal averages of any player - 2-3% success rate.

I wonder if social circle game would be the better choice going forward. But having good day game skills is a valuable addition to a man's overall skillset. Night game is always another avenue of exploration. The thing is that more men are adept at night game so competition there is higher. When the girls to guys ratio is bad you probably have better chances during the day. I'm still learning but at this point I can just incorporate game into my lifestyle which is fantastic achievement in my opinion.

[SW15]

I don't know if it is the worst, but it has some not so great elements. I find that the mall and the grocery store require hours of time to get in a small number of approaches, which is annoying. However, there is no substitute for the in-person experience. Since Tinder and Bumble are even worse options, being in a mall for 2 hours on a Saturday afternoon looking to start conversations is really a better choice, though it can feel bad to walk away from a 2 hour mall session with nothing.

[Elmore]

The whole generic stopping girls in the street thing is incongruous for a high status male IMHO. If you can make it organic in cafes, on trains or in supermarkets, then fine, but that is a hard art to master, and the level of failure seems to outweigh the time spent. These guys that market this stuff seem shady more often than not. It's an alluring notion that they're selling. I think most people would be better off spending the time needed to invest to get good, at physical training, hobbies that increase social circle, and working on their business and general life.

[moonlight_sonata]

I live in a smaller city in the U.S. and generally there are teenage girls, girls in relationship and married girls. The single ones are very few and mostly date in their social circle. Night game seems to be mostly concerned with the girls dating inside their circle of friends and occasionally you might find a local slut to sleep with but forget about getting inside one of those social circles without some serious work. Instead of complaining I should try to integrate, I know.

On the other spectrum you have the older women, divorced with kids, that are more approachable but that's not what my ideal target is. And then we have the colleges with 18 - 22 years old girls that are also mostly social circle driven and way too young in my opinion. The small city has no single working professionals that are the ideal range - 24-27. That's my observation.

The mall is the worse place for me personally to try to day game. The area is large, the density of approachable girls is small and you might not even get a chance to approach a single girl in a 1 hour walking session. Very disappointing. Another problem is finding a target but she's in a tricky situation - in the girls lingerie department for example. How do you open that? Or she passes you really quickly and by the time you're thinking to approach her now you have to chase her down the mall which starts to feel creepy.

But day game improves a ton of your character. I think this is the most important aspect of it. You try to look good most of the time, you work on your social skills, you become a great conversationalist (if you're doing indirect game), you get more balls to put yourself in socially risky situations and get the best out of them. Overall these traits will be valued and appreciated by your future girlfriend for sure. So regardless of the outcome I think men should work on their day game in order to improve themselves personally. There are no magic pills that will solve your relationship issues. Just hard work. And day game is the hardest to master with the biggest life-long return in my opinion.

[Iconoclast007]

I live in Estonia now but originally grew up in TX, USA.

Daygame is my preffered way to meet women in eastern europe. I focus on the smaller towns that are ignored by the masses of men traveling for bangs and sex. Its less expensive (no door fees, drinks etc) . More productive and produces higher quality (less slutty) women.

[Rang off the Pipe]

I don't know if daygame is the "worst" way to meet women, but it can certainly feel like it doesn't provide a large amount of volume. And some places simply don't have the foot traffic or the culture conducive to talking to women in broad daylight. That being said, I enjoy my interactions with women much more during the day because I feel like I can be myself and not have to behave like a clown. It's also much easier to gauge the interest of a girl during the day and I'll often know within the first minute if the interaction is going to go anywhere.

Daygame isn't a monolith, though. Daygame can be anything from simply talking to a woman who happens to be sitting next to you on a bus to actually prowling the streets or malls and chatting up women who are going somewhere. The one common theme about daygame is obstensibly the fact that there is no alcohol, drugs, or festive atmosphere. Therefore, people are not wearing the masks that they often do at bars, clubs, festivals, or other parallel environments.

My daygame style is rather passive. As an example, I was out and about in Philadelphia yesterday for a good 5 hours with time to myself. I spent that time relaxing in a park, reading in a cafe, and eating brunch in a restaurant (all while using public transportation to go around the city). I interacted with 8 different women that I happened to come across in every one of those environments. And in every instance, I opened each girl with a comment or question about the environment or something that she was wearing or using. For someone like me who doesn't roam the streets or malls, it's very important that I place myself in situations and places where I'm most likely to be around women going about their day. If I lived in a smaller city, my routine may not work as effectively simply due to a lack of volume.

[Thrill Jackson]

In this #MeToo era I don't see why dudes still go to bars to get laid. Your setting yourself for a rape charge every time you get a ONS.

Day game it's much more safe in comparison.

[SW15]

(04-26-2019 06:50 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

In this #MeToo era I don't see why dudes still go to bars to get laid. Your setting yourself for a rape charge every time you get a ONS.

Day game it's much more safe in comparison.

In an ideal world, this is true. I prefer day game to night game. My game model gives preferences to day than night, but it's very difficult to run a game model without supplementing day approaches with night ones.

Night game has a more targeted audience. With the mall and grocery store, I might need to do 2-4 hours on a weekend day to be able to do as many approaches as I could do in 30 minutes at a bar. Day game, while it can be effective, is horribly inefficient. Then again, Tinder/Bumble are even less inefficient than day game with the immense amount of swiping and texting involved.

I like day game better because I like to go to sleep around 10-10:30 PM. I also prefer sustainability to one night stands.

[AntoniusofEfa]

I started daygame when I was 20. I am 27 now. I can safely say that like everything else game related, it became worse. Seven years ago I was less attractive, and I had less game. However, it is much harder now to get a phone number ( which I do not go for anymore since it means nothing) or an instant date.

The women are all just staring at their cell phones. It is impossible to get a smile out of a passing stranger, since their attention is 100% focused on their phone. Day game still works, and it is a very valuable skill to be able to chat up a stranger, but the golden era is done, at least for me and my location (Düsseldorf, Germany).

I also do not see it getting any better. Women are not going to take up responsibility and stop using online apps to hook up, since it is not in their nature. The best thing men in the west can do, is just wait until the current 20 to 30 age range of women will die out (not enough alpha dudes for everyone), and hope that the next generation is going to behave differently.

[Rang off the Pipe]

I wom't deny that more younger girls simply don't know how to hold a conversation with a stranger or are too socially inept to do so. However, that shouldn't stop you from trying new things, because you never really know who will be responsive unless you actually initiate a conversation to begin with.

[WannaBang]

(04-27-2019 01:33 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

I started daygame when I was 20. I am 27 now. I can safely say that like everything else game related, it became worse. Seven years ago I was less attractive, and I had less game. However, it is much harder now to get a phone number ( which I do not go for anymore since it means nothing) or an instant date.

The women are all just staring at their cell phones. It is impossible to get a smile out of a passing stranger, since their attention is 100% focused on their phone. Day game still works, and it is a very valuable skill to be able to chat up a stranger, but the golden era is done, at least for me and my location (Düsseldorf, Germany).

Agreed 100%. I look much better today than 4-5 years ago and I think my game is better also. Yet my number close rate and number of dates and lays from day game has tanked so badly its unreal. Good to know I am not the only one who feels this.

I think the best thing a man can do is only approach 'winning targets.' This doesn't necessarily mean girls who give you IOIs (which in my case rarely happens anyway). Just ask yourself:
- Is she walking slowly?
- Does she have her headphones in?
- Is she glued to her smartphone screen?
- Does she have a cunt-face?

The more favourable these are the more of a winning target she will be and probably the better the interaction should go, at least in theory.

[AntoniusofEfa]

I know that under 30 year olds are very likely to be uninterested and awkward and just not worth the effort. Germany is an OK place to work, with it's biggest advantage is being close to other, more man friendly countries, and far away from the most vile women on earth (US).

Sidenote: the German women are catching up with their US sisters, both in terms of BMI and attitude towards men.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

Just after getting out of my last LTR, towards the end of 2013, I made all of the mistakes in the Game handbook and yet I was still able to pull decent-looking women - some of them much younger than me - compared to today. I noticed, however, from around the middle of 2015, that the number of women I was able to even meet at social events in the UK started to decline significantly, let alone date. Furthermore, as time progressed and when I did approach a girl, the receptivity rate was getting lower and lower. This in spite of my undertaking increasing improvements in myself in terms of eliminating neediness and other off-putting traits in my own personality, as well as working out and dressing well, amongst other things. All in all, I have the constant feeling these days that however much of an improvement I'm able to wring out of myself or the situation for Game purposes, the market decline has already offset that gain, such that I'm always worse off than where I was when I was putting in less effort and when I was - in absolute terms - of lower SMV. It's seems paradoxical, but it's nothing but a reflection of the shifting sands of the sexual market place skewing in favour of women generally and an ever-narrowing percentage of sexually successful men. For me, the adjective dystopic seems oddly lacking in potency to describe this new reality, such is the extreme situation I now find myself in.

[travolta]

(04-27-2019 01:33 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

The women are all just staring at their cell phones. It is impossible to get a smile out of a passing stranger, since their attention is 100% focused on their phone. Day game still works, and it is a very valuable skill to be able to chat up a stranger, but the golden era is done, at least for me and my location (Düsseldorf, Germany).

Blaming external circumstances instead of taking responsibility. What does this even mean, "the golden era is done"? Are you suggesting that approaching women in the street does not work because they're all glued to their cell phone? This is a totally ridiculous assumption. Your approach is just not good.

[jasond]

The golden era of daygame was probably between 2005-2015. It relied on the novelty of the approach, and a relatively empty penis pipeline for women. Daygame (and all game) simply doesn't work as well as today, due to the abundance of guys running game (making it less novel), and a full penis pipeline for most women (due to tinder/instagram).

[Ouroboros]

(04-27-2019 05:03 PM)jasond Wrote:  

The golden era of daygame was probably between 2005-2015. It relied on the novelty of the approach, and a relatively empty penis pipeline for women. Daygame (and all game) simply doesn't work as well as today, due to the abundance of guys running game (making it less novel), and a full penis pipeline for most women (due to tinder/instagram).

Do you really think that there are more guys (as a proportion of the population) running cold approach game now than in 2005-2015?

I don't frequent any other game forums so I can't say this with absolute certainty, but my impression has been that fewer men are interested in game nowadays than before - the focus seems to be more on maximising SMV and getting good photos for online dating apps and Instagram. There has also been a surge in guys interested in completing abandoning women and embracing MGTOW.

The vast majority of guys I know in everyday life would almost never go to a nightclub or bar to approach women they have never met before, and they would certainly never approach a woman during the day.

Maybe certain Eastern European cities where they run PUA boot camps have deteriorated due to spam approachers (I can't comment because I haven't been to any of these cities) but it seems unlikely that this is the case in most places.

[jasond]

The amount of guys running live in-person cold approach game in 2019 is probably not higher than 5-10 years ago.

The big difference is that 10x as many guys are running internet cold-approach game compared to 5-10 years ago. Which means that the vast
majority of single guys are now game-aware, compared to only a small minority 10 years ago. Any guy using Tinder is running game to some extent. And with the vast majority of single women now available to be approached online, they are getting hit on and gamed 10x more. So your daygame or nightgame approach will have much less of an impact than it did 10 years ago.

There is a limited amount of female sexual activity that is distributed to the male population every year. Statistics say a girl averages 7 partners/lifetime. If anything, surveys having been showing less and less sexual activity over the past 5-10 years among women. Now think about all the girls hooking up via online dating. It's a zero sum game, so for every girl that hooks up via tinder, 1 less girl is available to be gamed day or night. That girl you approached on the street that would have banged you in 2010, has already been swooped by some internet fella in 2019.