My first Russian city is Tomsk. Located in Siberia, it has a population of 500,000, though it feels much smaller than European cities of the same population size. Slubu wrote a data report at http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-26011-...pid509475.
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NIGHTLIFE:
Nightlife is pretty much a Friday/Saturday affair. Unlike slubu, I did not notice crowds during the week. Even Friday could be dead sometimes, though he came during the summer when school was out of session.
Teatro - The richest club in town. Girls are not as snobby as you would think, but they aren't exactly looking for a passionate affair with a traveling foreigner. Nonetheless, they'll hear you out, and if they like your story, you'll advance to the next level. Here you see a lot of iphones and girls perusing through their carefully maintained instagram accounts. Absolutely do not go here without wingmen or some type of social proof. The attached karoke bar is a good place to post up.
Studio 46 - This is Tomsk nightlife for all intents and purposes, a pleasant club/bar with great drinks. Face control is minimal---just don't look like a slob (they usually reject drunk guys and girls dressed sloppily). The quality is quite decent and both men and women are extremely friendly to foreigners, so if you go alone it shouldn't be hard to make insta-friends. I almost always have a good time here, but there's a huge problem: roughly the same 300 people go every weekend. Everyone knows everyone and soon you will run out of targets to approach simply because new girls know the old girls you already tried to mack on. This club is either good for a napalm weekend attack where you approach everything in sight or just as a social hour where you run into your friends and drink tasty white Russian cocktails. The best time is usually 1-4am. Upstairs is a different cafe/club that sometimes has a dense crowd.
Harat's Pub (two locations) - I like the layout but it can be really hit or miss. If there's a band playing, there could be a good crowd. Girls are not as pretty as the above clubs, but more receptive.
Pravda - The best way to describe this club is a big, loud, ugly room. I didn't like it all, even though I suspect girls are more receptive than at Studio. I probably should have come here more often, but I invested a lot of time into developing some connections at Studio.
Metro - They closed up during my stay here.
Time Public - Budget-friendly club that is focused mostly on tables. It's good to go with your friends and then try to meet other girls by inviting them to your table for a drink. I wouldn't come here alone.
This site has some information on clubs/bars/restaurants: http://geometria.tv/tomsk/places
The girls who go out at night are quite pretty, but connecting is tough because of the "big village" vibe that you will encounter if you stay more than a weekend. Here's a good example:
Night 1: I approached Girl A at Studio 46. We went on a date. Things progressed.
Night 2: I approached Girl B at the same place. Talked for a while. Nothing happened.
Night 3: Ran into Girl A at the club, found out she is good friends with Girl B. Things with Girl A mysteriously cooled.
Night 4: Went out on a date with new girl, Girl C. I met her through a guy and his girlfriend, Girl D.
Night 5: I ran into Girl D, and find out she is close friends with Girl B.
Anyone you talk to will be connected in some way to someone you talk to the next night. I have no evidence, but I'm pretty sure my club reputation is in the gutter, simply because I'm approaching and trying to get laid (I was received much better when I arrived than in my most recent nights out). There is usually 1 or 2 degrees of separation between people. If you're going to live here, your approaches should be targeted. Try to rely on mutual introductions instead to give you plausible deniability.
Overall, I did mediocre in Tomsk's night scene because of a combination of four reasons:
-Unconvincing backstory which did not convince girls of my permanence (I tried a few different ones, but no "businessman" or "writer" has to live in Tomsk)
-Average Russian ability
-Lack of deep social network or status
-Inability to find English groupies or sluts who just wanted to get laid
DAY GAME:
Tomsk is one of the few places where night game was actually better than day game. I was received well, and most girls went out of their way to go for insta-date walks, but most numbers didn't convert to dates. Girls were more eager to meet a foreigner than to know one. Also, I saw zero day game being done here. I get the vibe that in Tomsk girls don't think meeting a random guy on the street is preferred to meeting one through friends. In Tomsk, girls have deep social circles with lots of guys in them, and don't really need to meet random men. You don't encounter girls who are new in town and lost or lonely, in need of companionship.
There are really only three locations worth mentioning:
-The big park off Prospekt Lenina. If you see a girl alone here, either she's waiting for her boyfriend OR she won't mind a chat. I find that girls sitting on benches are not usually waiting for a guy, but girls standing up near the fountain are. Early in your approach you can just ask if she's waiting for anyone. There are always a lot of girls on Lenina, the city's main street, but it's quite loud. It felt like I was hitting on girls next to a highway, not my ideal scenario.
-Tomsk State University. One of the largest universities in Russia that is crawling with girls. Focus on girls walking alone on campus by asking them for help on finding the library, language faculty, or what have you. The library always has girls, but they are in quiet zones, so you can't really strike up a chat.
-Traveler's Coffee. A Russian coffee chain with one location in Tomsk. It's the closest you'll get to a European style cafe, even though the food, drinks, service, and internet speed is average in spite of high prices. Nonetheless, it's comfortable and I spent a couple hours a day here. Odds are you will encounter girls who are alone or in pairs. I approached a few girls here with success, and the staff didn't care. Not good for a hit-and-run type of game, however. It's also a good location for a first date with a girl who doesn't drink.
DEMOGRAPHICS:
Within university grounds, there is about 60-70% women, but once you get out of that, it becomes pretty equal. The farther you get from the university, the worse the ratio and quality gets. Even the park, which is near the university, rarely has good-looking girls that are alone. Sometimes it takes me quite a while of waiting and walking just to find a 7 who is alone to approach.
You would logically think that it would just be best to approach in the university, but younger Russian girls (18-21) have been significantly harder and slower for me. I don't think it's my age, as girls always say 34 is "perfect" for a man, so I think it's a cultural thing where Russian women take longer to find their more promiscuous nature, and actually become sluttier in their mid 20's than early 20's. Girls under 22 turned out to be a complete waste of time for me (weird how 22 is such a reliable cutoff). I started avoiding the university because it was getting torturous---tons of pretty girls but high difficulty.
Club ratios are usually 1.5 guys to 1 girl or worse, but sometimes god smiles down on you and you see stretches of 2-3 girls to 1 guy. I didn't find any ladies nights.
The biggest problem with Tomsk is age. You have a huge amount of young girls in the 18-22 range, and almost nothing from 22-26. Then you have some older girls who are usually married and with child. From my experience in Ukraine, a girl in the 22-26 range would be most open to me, but I couldn't find them in decent enough quantities here. They are rarely single, and if they are, they are a 6 or lower.
LANGUAGE:
Proficient English is rare. Absolutely do not come here without some Russian ability. Many girls could understand English, but only speak it a bit. I found a few mediocre girls who spoke it quite well, but I passed. At first I was excited to be practicing Russian all the time, but it got exhausting.
To summarize...
REASONS NOT TO COME HERE:
-Lop-sided demographics of girls who are too young
-No English
-Too small
-City is boring, with few nightlife, eating, and European cafe options
-Big village mentality (social circle is very important)
-Weather is terrible (June 1 and I was still wearing a coat) with near daily rains in May.
-Entertainment, food, and modern lodgings is limited and not that cheap
REASONS TO COME HERE:
-Practice your Russian on a receptive population
-Friendly males who will introduce you to girls (good for permanent residents)
-You will be the first foreigner many girls have met, so initial interest is easy to achieve
-No noticeable racism against blacks or men who look Middle Eastern
CONCLUSION:
When I was in Wroclaw, I got tired of all the Spanish guys and other foreigners who were there. I wanted to be the only foreigner in a city. Tomsk provided that---in my time here I heard of one other American living here, and I estimate that there are less than 100 foreign students. I'm more exotic here than any other city I've been to, but it didn't translate into sexual plenty within a short timeframe. Wroclaw was still easier for me in spite of the massive conquistador horde.
In Tomsk in 2014, being exotic, or the first American a Russian girl has met, is not enough to propel to fast bangs. Other structural requirements, like demographics, permanence, and Russian ability are more important than merely being unique. This experience has greatly affected my thoughts on living in cities without foreigners.
Tomsk girls are more relationship minded, but they want to get into that relationship with someone permanent. Even if a girl knows she will leave Tomsk upon school graduation, she still wants a permanent guy. Yet it will be very hard for you to construct a permanent back story, because why would anyone on Earth live in this place compared to Moscow or St Pete? I came for some adventure, to be the foreign rock star, but it didn't pay off. I've had too much success with women in pleasant cities (Zagreb, Odessa, Poznan, Wroclaw) that I can't live in a place like this just for girls, even to grind it out and eventually land a great girl rated as an 8, which I believe would happen in Tomsk if I planned on 3 month time frame. I think I can compete well in harder big-city environments to get sex faster and easier, so I have to put aside the notion of 3rd tier Russian cities.
Tomsk was a great warm up to the Russian mentality and my Russian language ability advanced greatly to where I can meet and date girls in entirely Russian, but it's time to hit a bigger city and see what that has to offer.
For general Russia questions, refer to the master Russian thread. We can discuss Tomsk specific questions here.
NIGHTLIFE:
Nightlife is pretty much a Friday/Saturday affair. Unlike slubu, I did not notice crowds during the week. Even Friday could be dead sometimes, though he came during the summer when school was out of session.
Teatro - The richest club in town. Girls are not as snobby as you would think, but they aren't exactly looking for a passionate affair with a traveling foreigner. Nonetheless, they'll hear you out, and if they like your story, you'll advance to the next level. Here you see a lot of iphones and girls perusing through their carefully maintained instagram accounts. Absolutely do not go here without wingmen or some type of social proof. The attached karoke bar is a good place to post up.
Studio 46 - This is Tomsk nightlife for all intents and purposes, a pleasant club/bar with great drinks. Face control is minimal---just don't look like a slob (they usually reject drunk guys and girls dressed sloppily). The quality is quite decent and both men and women are extremely friendly to foreigners, so if you go alone it shouldn't be hard to make insta-friends. I almost always have a good time here, but there's a huge problem: roughly the same 300 people go every weekend. Everyone knows everyone and soon you will run out of targets to approach simply because new girls know the old girls you already tried to mack on. This club is either good for a napalm weekend attack where you approach everything in sight or just as a social hour where you run into your friends and drink tasty white Russian cocktails. The best time is usually 1-4am. Upstairs is a different cafe/club that sometimes has a dense crowd.
Harat's Pub (two locations) - I like the layout but it can be really hit or miss. If there's a band playing, there could be a good crowd. Girls are not as pretty as the above clubs, but more receptive.
Pravda - The best way to describe this club is a big, loud, ugly room. I didn't like it all, even though I suspect girls are more receptive than at Studio. I probably should have come here more often, but I invested a lot of time into developing some connections at Studio.
Metro - They closed up during my stay here.
Time Public - Budget-friendly club that is focused mostly on tables. It's good to go with your friends and then try to meet other girls by inviting them to your table for a drink. I wouldn't come here alone.
This site has some information on clubs/bars/restaurants: http://geometria.tv/tomsk/places
The girls who go out at night are quite pretty, but connecting is tough because of the "big village" vibe that you will encounter if you stay more than a weekend. Here's a good example:
Night 1: I approached Girl A at Studio 46. We went on a date. Things progressed.
Night 2: I approached Girl B at the same place. Talked for a while. Nothing happened.
Night 3: Ran into Girl A at the club, found out she is good friends with Girl B. Things with Girl A mysteriously cooled.
Night 4: Went out on a date with new girl, Girl C. I met her through a guy and his girlfriend, Girl D.
Night 5: I ran into Girl D, and find out she is close friends with Girl B.
Anyone you talk to will be connected in some way to someone you talk to the next night. I have no evidence, but I'm pretty sure my club reputation is in the gutter, simply because I'm approaching and trying to get laid (I was received much better when I arrived than in my most recent nights out). There is usually 1 or 2 degrees of separation between people. If you're going to live here, your approaches should be targeted. Try to rely on mutual introductions instead to give you plausible deniability.
Overall, I did mediocre in Tomsk's night scene because of a combination of four reasons:
-Unconvincing backstory which did not convince girls of my permanence (I tried a few different ones, but no "businessman" or "writer" has to live in Tomsk)
-Average Russian ability
-Lack of deep social network or status
-Inability to find English groupies or sluts who just wanted to get laid
DAY GAME:
Tomsk is one of the few places where night game was actually better than day game. I was received well, and most girls went out of their way to go for insta-date walks, but most numbers didn't convert to dates. Girls were more eager to meet a foreigner than to know one. Also, I saw zero day game being done here. I get the vibe that in Tomsk girls don't think meeting a random guy on the street is preferred to meeting one through friends. In Tomsk, girls have deep social circles with lots of guys in them, and don't really need to meet random men. You don't encounter girls who are new in town and lost or lonely, in need of companionship.
There are really only three locations worth mentioning:
-The big park off Prospekt Lenina. If you see a girl alone here, either she's waiting for her boyfriend OR she won't mind a chat. I find that girls sitting on benches are not usually waiting for a guy, but girls standing up near the fountain are. Early in your approach you can just ask if she's waiting for anyone. There are always a lot of girls on Lenina, the city's main street, but it's quite loud. It felt like I was hitting on girls next to a highway, not my ideal scenario.
-Tomsk State University. One of the largest universities in Russia that is crawling with girls. Focus on girls walking alone on campus by asking them for help on finding the library, language faculty, or what have you. The library always has girls, but they are in quiet zones, so you can't really strike up a chat.
-Traveler's Coffee. A Russian coffee chain with one location in Tomsk. It's the closest you'll get to a European style cafe, even though the food, drinks, service, and internet speed is average in spite of high prices. Nonetheless, it's comfortable and I spent a couple hours a day here. Odds are you will encounter girls who are alone or in pairs. I approached a few girls here with success, and the staff didn't care. Not good for a hit-and-run type of game, however. It's also a good location for a first date with a girl who doesn't drink.
DEMOGRAPHICS:
Within university grounds, there is about 60-70% women, but once you get out of that, it becomes pretty equal. The farther you get from the university, the worse the ratio and quality gets. Even the park, which is near the university, rarely has good-looking girls that are alone. Sometimes it takes me quite a while of waiting and walking just to find a 7 who is alone to approach.
You would logically think that it would just be best to approach in the university, but younger Russian girls (18-21) have been significantly harder and slower for me. I don't think it's my age, as girls always say 34 is "perfect" for a man, so I think it's a cultural thing where Russian women take longer to find their more promiscuous nature, and actually become sluttier in their mid 20's than early 20's. Girls under 22 turned out to be a complete waste of time for me (weird how 22 is such a reliable cutoff). I started avoiding the university because it was getting torturous---tons of pretty girls but high difficulty.
Club ratios are usually 1.5 guys to 1 girl or worse, but sometimes god smiles down on you and you see stretches of 2-3 girls to 1 guy. I didn't find any ladies nights.
The biggest problem with Tomsk is age. You have a huge amount of young girls in the 18-22 range, and almost nothing from 22-26. Then you have some older girls who are usually married and with child. From my experience in Ukraine, a girl in the 22-26 range would be most open to me, but I couldn't find them in decent enough quantities here. They are rarely single, and if they are, they are a 6 or lower.
LANGUAGE:
Proficient English is rare. Absolutely do not come here without some Russian ability. Many girls could understand English, but only speak it a bit. I found a few mediocre girls who spoke it quite well, but I passed. At first I was excited to be practicing Russian all the time, but it got exhausting.
To summarize...
REASONS NOT TO COME HERE:
-Lop-sided demographics of girls who are too young
-No English
-Too small
-City is boring, with few nightlife, eating, and European cafe options
-Big village mentality (social circle is very important)
-Weather is terrible (June 1 and I was still wearing a coat) with near daily rains in May.
-Entertainment, food, and modern lodgings is limited and not that cheap
REASONS TO COME HERE:
-Practice your Russian on a receptive population
-Friendly males who will introduce you to girls (good for permanent residents)
-You will be the first foreigner many girls have met, so initial interest is easy to achieve
-No noticeable racism against blacks or men who look Middle Eastern
CONCLUSION:
When I was in Wroclaw, I got tired of all the Spanish guys and other foreigners who were there. I wanted to be the only foreigner in a city. Tomsk provided that---in my time here I heard of one other American living here, and I estimate that there are less than 100 foreign students. I'm more exotic here than any other city I've been to, but it didn't translate into sexual plenty within a short timeframe. Wroclaw was still easier for me in spite of the massive conquistador horde.
In Tomsk in 2014, being exotic, or the first American a Russian girl has met, is not enough to propel to fast bangs. Other structural requirements, like demographics, permanence, and Russian ability are more important than merely being unique. This experience has greatly affected my thoughts on living in cities without foreigners.
Tomsk girls are more relationship minded, but they want to get into that relationship with someone permanent. Even if a girl knows she will leave Tomsk upon school graduation, she still wants a permanent guy. Yet it will be very hard for you to construct a permanent back story, because why would anyone on Earth live in this place compared to Moscow or St Pete? I came for some adventure, to be the foreign rock star, but it didn't pay off. I've had too much success with women in pleasant cities (Zagreb, Odessa, Poznan, Wroclaw) that I can't live in a place like this just for girls, even to grind it out and eventually land a great girl rated as an 8, which I believe would happen in Tomsk if I planned on 3 month time frame. I think I can compete well in harder big-city environments to get sex faster and easier, so I have to put aside the notion of 3rd tier Russian cities.
Tomsk was a great warm up to the Russian mentality and my Russian language ability advanced greatly to where I can meet and date girls in entirely Russian, but it's time to hit a bigger city and see what that has to offer.
For general Russia questions, refer to the master Russian thread. We can discuss Tomsk specific questions here.
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