[Odin.fils.de.bor]

and talking about german looks, i feel like between european countries, based on looks german men can win anytime.
No gay but i can show you some examples of good looking german dudes which you can also see on the streets:
http://intouch.wunderweib.de/assets/styl...k=5MKIshqM
http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bu...rt-514.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736...1f11a7.jpg

I think the german women are so mean because they have a big choice of good looking guys but it is not the case with men, that's why many times in the forum, it is said that some good looking german dudes are dating a 5 or a 6

[Henny]

Go to Poland, easier notches and nightlife more fun

[Naughty_Boy]

(02-24-2017 07:52 AM)Odin.fils.de.bor Wrote:  

Naughty boy, in which city do you live? i couldn't describe the situation here in germany better than you. only the part when you are saying that girls are getting fat after 20 years old. i don't find them fat just sometimes meaty. [...] I like Germany as a place to work , the countriy has so much beautiful places to visit, i met very nice people also, but to date it is probably not the best place. I am waiting to finish my diplom so that i can travel more.

In Hamburg. Fat is not the right word for chicks above 20 but their bodies get simply worse each year due to the lack of carring after themselves doing sports. I totally agree to all your points.

(02-27-2017 09:46 AM)Vinny Wrote:  

1. Take my free daygame coaching.
2. Take a short vacation or go to Poland or a few weekends in a row (Poland for you as you speak the Language and girls will not need a visa).
3. Daygame like a Mofo.
4. Get your leads, fly or train them out to Germany, get a girlfriend or a few.
5. Enjoy.

Honestly this is a desperate plan for a desperate man. But is is exactly what I would do if I were you.

I know but I dont have a different choice, which city would you recommend?

(02-27-2017 07:28 AM)balybary Wrote:  

Can you work in an other country with a in job the aviation industry (white collar job)?
Like going to Kiev and working in aircraft maintenance at the airport?

Unfortunately not. I am working in the field of business administration so Kiev offers no jobs for me if I am not fluent in Ukrainian or Russian (at least when I did my internet research). Furthermore the payment would be probably terrible

As a german local let me break it down for you about German woman:
1# There are millions of migrated or 2nd/3rd generation turks/arabs in the Germany. As they come from a countries with even worse women / none availability of sexually open women at all, they are willing to lay a every woman without even thinking about it. Some of these guys are in fact not that bad. Even when they are often uneducated some are really alpha, hit the gym on roids and are good looking (full hair, beard, stylish clothes)
2# Women do not need man as a provider like in eastern europe, in fact they dont even have to work as they can live quite okay on social welfare (men as well)
3# Lookwise German women are simply bigger boned than their east european counterparts and take less care of themeselves. Men in general almost always date downwards
4# Less ONS culture than in the anglosphere but better than in the east europe
5# Many German women are quite tall (at least in the north) and they would never ever date a smaller guy. Small is considered below 185cm
6# Almost none sports culture in Germany for Women. A slim or athletic 7 is treated like a goddess
7# Many german girls are really boring or iceblocks as you described

All in all as a man you either have too look very good or be very tall and on roids. The chicks dont care about your social intelligence or education.
I have a friend who never scored a german woman altough he is 29, he went to Poland for a weekend and scored immediately.

As for Poland, which city you recommend if you had to choose between:
Gdansk, Krakow, Wroclaw or Warsaw?

[brat]

no turkish man is geting laid in germany , in fact a lots of german men are starting to date 3rd or even 4 generation turkish chiks.German girls openly dislike turks.

I will choose zielona gora if can speak polish or opole(they even speak a bit of german there).It is also just 1 hour by car from frankfurt der oder in the german border.

[The Breeze]

(02-28-2017 09:56 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

2# Women do not need man as a provider like in eastern europe, in fact they dont even have to work as they can live quite okay on social welfare (men as well)

Social welfare fucking things up? You don't say.

Where have I heard that before?


Naughty Boy, you have received some good advice already on this thread.
I do not think the WHERE matters nearly as much as the JUST DO IT aspect.

Get out there man.

[kirdiesel]

There is ALOT of pressure as a man to be tall and look good/work out. I def feel it. German girls are tall as hell.... if you are a short guy... stay the hell outta here.

I am 5,10 and feel short sometimes. I wear boots sometimes now (not all the time) to add that extra inch or so and its preferable when I am going out. Don't NEED but its nice to have.

German girls do take less care of themselves but as i always say there is quality to be had.

Like you naughty I am looking heavily at a trip to Poland to see how I fare.

[Adrenaline]

Small below 185cm? Would never date a man below that? Those are some strong words. I'm only around 180cm but if I were in Germany would take you on any day with that statement.

[Naughty_Boy]

(02-28-2017 11:50 AM)brat Wrote:  

no turkish man is geting laid in germany , in fact a lots of german men are starting to date 3rd or even 4 generation turkish chiks.German girls openly dislike turks.

I will choose zielona gora if can speak polish or opole(they even speak a bit of german there).It is also just 1 hour by car from frankfurt der oder in the german border.

No offense but you have no clue. Turkish and arabic man do get laid but as I said before the majority (maybe about 80%) of those guys just fuck everthing that has a pulse. Therefore a German 5 tends to think she is a 7 and raises her expectations.
But about 20% of these turkish/arabic dudes lay girls above the german average (lookwise) as they are playing some kind of hustler game. I talk about those guys that hit the gym on roids, permanently do Kick-/Thaiboxing, have tattoos, drive a brand new Mercedes or BMW. Many of these guys are bouncers, pimps or in other half legal activites. I terms of male dominance, looks and alpha behaviour they beat many germans. Of course the girls these hustlers get are not intelligent, but lookwise take more care of themselves than the german average woman (they are intro tanning, make up, gym, silicone implants).

Here some exampels of what I mean what kind of chicks they often score at:
http://www.bravo.de/assets/styles/image_...k=n7lRGVog
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFo3k7-WgAEOq1_.jpg

And those guys can look like this:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=...=3&theater

But thats not really the topic...

(02-28-2017 01:55 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

There is ALOT of pressure as a man to be tall and look good/work out. I def feel it. German girls are tall as hell.... if you are a short guy... stay the hell outta here.
I am 5,10 and feel short sometimes. I wear boots sometimes now (not all the time) to add that extra inch or so and its preferable when I am going out. Don't NEED but its nice to have.

Word!
There is some talent but you really need to search a lot and the competition is tough

(02-28-2017 05:16 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

Small below 185cm? Would never date a man below that? Those are some strong words. I'm only around 180cm but if I were in Germany would take you on any day with that statement.

I meant they would very often not consider fucking a smaller guy than themselves. 180cm is considered as being small and the minimum of a mans height for the majority of northern german girls

[kirdiesel]

Naughty boy you KILLED it on the accuracy of the Turks/Arabs and the German girls who date them.. I am over here laughing.

I totally forgot to touch on that point in my datasheet but I didn't see it as too relevant as I don't talk to or target those types of girls anyway. I have only messed with ONE girl the entire time here who was similar to the above mentioned and you have to be ALPHA as fuck to control her.

Don't find you need to search much (at least in Cologne) for talent but the competition is steep out here. The gym is full of guys most times I go.

I have been slowly carving out a niche for myself and really am starting to see what I can get. I know who to talk to and who not to talk to. Just like in the US i am finally developing a "feel" for girls and I can head to certain nightclubs and pick out who I think will be into me. Like I said before... German girls are all about "a look" and if you got it you got it and if you don't well then..... bye!

German girls are VERY PARTICULAR about height... this I did mention in my sheet. You will see height mentioned as a requirement on both Lovoo and Tinder.

Generally its 1,80 or 5,10 AT MINIMUM. Of course there are tiny girls out here but in general as previously stated German girls are tall.

My sister came out here from the US and even noticed this.

[brat]

Well the two girls above are not german.The first one is persian/lithuanian and the second is turkish.I was talking about 100 % german chicks whitout a foreigner background.

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

the kind of girls you mentionned naughty are the bichiest one and for me they're also the least interesting. it is easy to reconize them just with the fake thick eyebrows. That kind of girls are the ones who atleast fucked 20 guys in bars and nightclubs.
I can't understand how you guys say that you must be alpha to fuck them, they're always have clown faces with the 2 pounds mascara, they're just 5s and 6s pretending to be a 9. ????

even the small girls here are looking for very tall guys ...

[Naughty_Boy]

You are right, they often have foreign background. Mixed black, persian and the here often praised east european (russian or polish). And who uses also lots of makeup? Yes, polish and ukrainian...
and all of them seldomly use it to the point looking like a clown (exceptions to that can also be found in poland, just google: faszyn from raszyn)

I totally agree that their personalities are often, boring, uneducated and can be bitchy, but I still prefer these mixed races lookwise than the typical 100% german girl.
Most of these bitchy girls bodies are more petite, they let their grow long, are often into fashion, gym and tanning. Beside that they are total freaks in the bed.

Most of the typical german girls are bigger boned and taller, use almost no make up, do no sports at all (what annoys me the most), cut their hair whatever and dress functional.

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

a hot german woman look like this and i really like this kind of look:
http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.288...MA%3D%3D.2
http://ais.rtl.de/vl09/509516_2_16x9/940...n-satt.jpg

[YoungArt]

Hey OP would you mind sharing where you live in Germany? I also live in northern Germany with very bad night life.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

Have you not thought about daygame in a first- or second-tier German city? Yes, German women put on a very tough external front, I've also noticed that, as well as being quite cliquish. But my solution is as follows: You really need to go in with a total DGAF mindset to get some women to be receptive to you, since some of the brush offs can be pretty cutting, as has been noted in this thread. I know, since I'm actively daygaming here in Leipzig, but I wouldn't rule German women out altogether. In my experience, given the misandric feminist narrative that nearly every educated girl here is seemingly subject to from an early age, you need to double down on a strong, masculine frame, however uncomfortable that will feel when you approach them. Believe me, once you do this, the results will follow, even though your rational mind will tell you it won't possibly fly with them. I'm currently on a very steep learning curve here, in both a positive and a negative sense, but I do understand your sense of exasperation with German girls.

[kirdiesel]

(03-02-2017 01:14 PM)Odin.fils.de.bor Wrote:  

a hot german woman look like this and i really like this kind of look:
http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.288...MA%3D%3D.2
http://ais.rtl.de/vl09/509516_2_16x9/940...n-satt.jpg

Those are nice but tough to get.

[Pointer]

(02-22-2017 07:50 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

Try Poznan?

There's a direct train Poznan Glowny <> Berlin Hbf, and it takes 3h10min. Then you can easily umsteigen in Berlin to ICE nach Hamburg or wherever you live...

Poznan has many universities, thus many students (foreign too, especially studying medicine) and is cheap. You can get inexpensive, good quality hotel room just next to the Old Town. I think speaking Polish shouldn't be underestimated. With your money, job, and living in a big German city, if you roll wearing smart causal, you should have very good time.

While I agree that Poznan is a good choice, his job in Germany means nothing to a Polish girl. In fact, my advice is to not even mention that you live in Germany. Instead say that you just moved back to Poland and are looking to meet people.

Polish girls don't give a shit about your money and unless you live in Spain or some other warm, exotic place, it's not even worth mentioning. Germany is at the bottom of the list in terms of sex appeal.

I see Tinder having more and more of an impact on the RooshV community. People are starting to make assumptions based on the response rates, that's seriously messed up. Outside of Tinder, I find that Ukraine is a much more difficult place to meet people in general if you don't speak the language.

[Giacomo Casanova]

(03-06-2017 04:10 AM)Pointer Wrote:  

While I agree that Poznan is a good choice, his job in Germany means nothing to a Polish girl. In fact, my advice is to not even mention that you live in Germany. Instead say that you just moved back to Poland and are looking to meet people.

Polish girls don't give a shit about your money and unless you live in Spain or some other warm, exotic place, it's not even worth mentioning. Germany is at the bottom of the list in terms of sex appeal.

I see Tinder having more and more of an impact on the RooshV community. People are starting to make assumptions based on the response rates, that's seriously messed up. Outside of Tinder, I find that Ukraine is a much more difficult place to meet people in general if you don't speak the language.

I agree with Pointer. Poznan should be still ok compared to Krakow and Wroclaw that are nowadays hopeless for the weekend-tourist. In Poland many girls haven't the "ability" to think with a long-term mentality when choosing a man, hence personal success and money unfortunately don't matter a lot for them, or they can even have a negative impact if the girl is shy/with old style mentality.
Germany might be regarded well, it depends. Some girls can observe the migrant crisis and boring lifestyle, other can appreciate the "stability" of German men, at least compared to the Mediterrean guys who are generally not regarded well for relationships. Overall I would follow the advise of Pointer.

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

but if you are very handsome, they wouldn't give a shit whether you are from Germany, Spain or even Russia.

[Naughty_Boy]

(03-02-2017 02:29 PM)YoungArt Wrote:  

Hey OP would you mind sharing where you live in Germany? I also live in northern Germany with very bad night life.

I live in Hamburg, the nightlife are huge but the results mediocre + I am bored of German girls and the same nightlife

(03-06-2017 07:07 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 04:10 AM)Pointer Wrote:  

While I agree that Poznan is a good choice, his job in Germany means nothing to a Polish girl. In fact, my advice is to not even mention that you live in Germany. Instead say that you just moved back to Poland and are looking to meet people.

Polish girls don't give a shit about your money and unless you live in Spain or some other warm, exotic place, it's not even worth mentioning. Germany is at the bottom of the list in terms of sex appeal.

I agree with Pointer. Poznan should be still ok compared to Krakow and Wroclaw that are nowadays hopeless for the weekend-tourist. In Poland many girls haven't the "ability" to think with a long-term mentality when choosing a man, hence personal success and money unfortunately don't matter a lot for them, or they can even have a negative impact if the girl is shy/with old style mentality.
Germany might be regarded well, it depends. Some girls can observe the migrant crisis and boring lifestyle, other can appreciate the "stability" of German men, at least compared to the Mediterrean guys who are generally not regarded well for relationships. Overall I would follow the advise of Pointer.

Thanks for the info about Poznan.
@Pointer
I totally get your point, it makes more sense to lie about where you from and where you live in order to raise your chances in order to get laid. By other means, If you are from an unattractive country just start lying instead of developing strong good game. In the next thread you will probably advise an asian web developer going to Poland to pretend that he is a doctor from Spain

A Woman giving shit about money? Sounds like total a fairy tale to me, no matter in which country you go, money, looks or social value always play a certain role.

As I am looking for some high quality girls for a long term relationship, I am not going to start making things up that I moved back to Poland permanently. As I am limited to my 30 vacation days per year it wouldnt even be possible to lie.

There are many polish girls that want to leave their country just for the sake of better choices and a higher living standard somewhere else. Why do think so many polish people immigrated to the UK and Germany? Probably not because of the warm climate

[YoungArt]

I live 1 hour away from Hamburg. I reside in Schleswig-Holstein. Tomorrow I'm going to be in Kiev / Ukraine for 3 weeks. Not sure what to expect. I'm looking forward to gaming there. I wonder if UA girls are really that different from German chicks. Will report back.

[Giacomo Casanova]

(03-06-2017 09:25 AM)Odin.fils.de.bor Wrote:  

but if you are very handsome, they wouldn't give a shit whether you are from Germany, Spain or even Russia.

In that case if you are model looking, you generally don't need to go to Poland since you can find attractive girls in your own country.

[Lika]

(03-06-2017 04:10 AM)Pointer Wrote:  

Ukraine is a much more difficult place to meet people in general if you don't speak the language.

Yes, and the night life is a disaster, especially in Kyiv.

I find it amusing when people say: make sure to learn a little Russian before going there...

It's more like: make sure to study Russian 40 hours a week for five years before you can have a basic conversation...

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

naughty boy and youngart, we didn't get any news from you. How is it going in Ukraine or Poland ?

[scrambled]

Quote:

study Russian 40 hours a week for five years

It is brutal at first. But with a (man as a) private tutor, it is six months of work for conversational proficiency.

Reading novels, maybe years.