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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 01:32 PM
Brilliant takedown by Jeffy, well worth watching.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 01:49 PM
45 minutes. TL;DW
These guys are weak and make themselves targets. Even fat feminist can smell it and go in for the kill. I highly doubt these articles would've been viral had they been written about Joe Rogan.
Jeffry has horrible body language and wreaks of insecurity. He doesn't project his voice, fidgets, crosses his legs like girl while standing, keeps folding his right arm over his belly, picks at beard. These guys are a beta in a room full of omegas. I guess there has to be stepping stones though. A fresh out of boot camp soldier doesn't just walk into Delta training. Much must be accomplished prior.
I'm guessing a heavy hitter like fisto or emech wouldn't be able to keep that crowds attention. Too much too soon. I have been wondering if there's a market for the more experienced target audience?
edit- I can't fucking stand poor speakers. If you're gonna get up in front of a class, at least have the professional courtesy to have your shit together. Jeffry stammers in the first 30 seconds. I would have got up and walked out, as I've done before.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 02:56 PM
45 min is way too long for a response. You need sound bites and catch phrases sadly.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 04:26 PM
I love how he tries to portray Tyler as a martyr to Neal Strauss. Tyler INVENTED aggressive AMOGing and did it to Neal, he can hardly complain that a skillful "Writer's AMOG" (writing you up in a negative light) carried more sting, when he is the one that STARTED the shit in the first place. Appropriate respect to Tyler and the great contributions of the RSD community, but you don't get to start a fight AND be a martyr about the results. If you've got a method that involves tooling people, you can't complain when a stronger, smarter adversary tools you back a hundred times as bad.
That's kind of why this "Karma" concept is such a revelation to this guy, his guru never stressed that actions have their consequences.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 04:53 PM
Watched the first 8 minutes. Guy is a mess. Meltdown?
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 05:35 PM
Guys pay to go to these talks?
"In America we don't worship government, we worship God." - President Donald J. Trump
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 05:39 PM
From the title it looks like a free one, but you can bet they upsell like crazy.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 05:52 PM
Guy's a loser. Don't care, won't watch.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 06:09 PM
Quote: (02-27-2014 05:52 PM)polymath Wrote:
Guy's a loser. Don't care, won't watch.
Always a turnaround. Think that way. I had the rare exception of working with US Army 'train the trainers'. Super Instructors. Best of the best. Krauser, Kenny, Jeffy, and these dudes deserve a chance. I can give it. Stop faking and learn for the big win.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 06:12 PM
Alright, TL;DR version...
The biggest effect mainstream hate had on Jeffy's life was freeing him from the need for social approval, and causing him to reflect on the karma he was putting out.
I realize it's a long video. At 22 in he talks about the show Girls, and the controversy between Jezebel and Lena Dunham.
I'm surprised you guys dislike his speaking style. It seems very natural to me.
Read my work on Return of Kings here.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-27-2014, 06:23 PM
I won't claim to be a better speaker than this man - but his constant imbolalia - "uh", "um", "and so", "so um", kept distracting me.
His audience seem receptive enough, so I'm surprised he didn't stop doing that sooner.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-28-2014, 12:12 AM
I thought he was a fine speaker; I do question why he'd take so much time it what was a I guess some kind of pickup workshop or class to discuss this.
More importantly, I did not think his own defense of his behavior made him seem like a very good person. Shooting women you've slept with with nerf guns, spraying them with a hose to chase them out of your house, going out of your way to attack them with various epithets either because there is a small chance it might lure them back or just to fuck with them--that shit ain't normal.
I know some guys that get successful with women later in life may go through a crazy/angry period. Fine, fuck them and don't call them back. But chasing them out of your house with a hose after sex? I don't sleep with people I don't at least sort of like.
That's some Tucker Max shit right there, except Tucker did that stuff as a raging drunk 24-year-old law student, not a grown man representing a company with a reputation in the field of man/woman relations. I'm not saying he is a terrible person, but in a video that was intended to be a response/rebuttal/defense, he didn't come across all that well.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-28-2014, 05:01 AM
His speech seemed well calibrated to his audience.
Many of those guys have never approached a girl and some of them are virgins.
By "stammering" and "making mistakes" you actually build rapport with the audience as they aren't as intimidated by you.
I watched about 25 minutes or so of the video. Overall his points were good. I remember when the Jezebel story dropped and it was interesting to hear how the story impacted his life.
Like most cases of really bad PR, it didn't have much of an effect at all. That's why when the shit storm hits you just weather it and move on.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-28-2014, 09:07 AM
Back when the forum was 'pure'. Now it's full of commercial spam. Seems everyone is selling a brand now, and has a 'say'. If so, then perhaps Mike I need to bail. Reminisce on the old days and move on. Goddamn, if PUA's are accepted here like Krauser, then I've been duped this whole time. My bad for being a fucking idiot. Was here to help men be better men.
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RSD's Jeffy Allen Responds to Jezebel "Rape Van Pickup Artist" Controversy
02-28-2014, 09:41 AM
What's with the krauser hate? You lumped him into the same category as Kenny (I'm assuming we are talking about the black possibly retarded dude) Have you actually read his blog?