[AnonymousBosch]

As psychologically-predicted, if you disagree with Social Justice / Reform Judaism, then Dan Harmon hates you:

Quote:

"I was familiar going into the third season, having talked to Felicia Day, that any high-profile women get doxxed, they get harassed, they get threatened, they get slandered. And part of it is a testosterone-based subculture patting themselves on the back for trolling these women. Because to the extent that you get can get a girl to shriek about a frog you’ve proven girls are girly and there’s no crime in assaulting her with a frog because it’s all in the name of proving something. I think it’s all disgusting."

He then went on to discuss how much it frustrates him to know that people like this watch his show:

"These knobs, that want to protect the content they think they own—and somehow combine that with their need to be proud of something they have, which is often only their race or gender. It’s offensive to me as someone who was born male and white, and still works way harder than them, that there’s some white male [fan out there] trying to further some creepy agenda by ‘protecting’ my work. I’ve made no bones about the fact that I loathe these people. It fucking sucks. And the only thing I can say is if you’re lucky enough to make a show that is really good that people like, that means some bad people are going to like it too. You can’t just insist that everybody who watches your show get their head on straight … And I’m speaking for myself—I don’t want the show to have a political stance. But at the same time, individually, these [harassers] aren’t politicians and don’t represent politics. They represent some shit that I probably believed when I was 15."

Similarly, the worldview of 'Rick and Morty' - le 'edgy' nihilism; violence for violence's sake; all relationships are dysfunctional; I'm far more intelligent than everyone else; all heroes are flawed; believing constantly-referencing the pop culture garbage I'd consumed was knowledge to be admired; anyone who disagrees with me is contemptible; and that people just can't handle my realtalk, maaaan - is something I believed when I was 12, and got the fuck over on my way to being a functional adult.

My girlfriend got it, after we tried a few episodes. "This is mean, isn't it? It makes me feel sad." This mirrors what my nephew said about why he stopped watching 'Adventure Time'. Progressive Creators thrive on spreading the emotional void within them outwards, like a creeping mist of sourness that chokes your lungs if you breath it in, and, well, I've seen forty-six years of this shit that used to be confined to the fringes, but is now the toxic, dominant culture, and I'm weary of it.

I think I can survive without watching an obese Gamma's cutting edge references to 'Stand By Me' and 'Mad Max'.

[CynicalContrarian]

(09-21-2017 05:13 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

...I think I can survive without watching an obese Gamma's cutting edge references to 'Stand By Me' and 'Mad Max'.

AB, do you stand by your analysis?

You're probably correct overall, yet if there's any one reason why what you saw on the fringes as now being more mainstream.
I'd put that down to humanities flawed nature.

Every empire that rises; falls.
Egyptian's, Roman's, Ottoman's, Brits etc.

Once a "golden age" is over, then it's a slide into ruin.
The U.S. led Western "empire" is on it's last legs.
When tearing down statues is more important than properly funding hospitals & forcing gender confusion on kids is the latest trend.
I don't hold out much hope for this highly secular, hedonistic society.

One could almost liken Rick & Morty (& similar shows) to a mirror on the current state of affairs.

[Delta]

(09-21-2017 05:13 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Quote:

"I was familiar going into the third season, having talked to Felicia Day, that any high-profile women get doxxed, they get harassed, they get threatened, they get slandered. And part of it is a testosterone-based subculture patting themselves on the back for trolling these women. Because to the extent that you get can get a girl to shriek about a frog you’ve proven girls are girly and there’s no crime in assaulting her with a frog because it’s all in the name of proving something. I think it’s all disgusting."

He then went on to discuss how much it frustrates him to know that people like this watch his show:

"These knobs, that want to protect the content they think they own—and somehow combine that with their need to be proud of something they have, which is often only their race or gender. It’s offensive to me as someone who was born male and white, and still works way harder than them, that there’s some white male [fan out there] trying to further some creepy agenda by ‘protecting’ my work. I’ve made no bones about the fact that I loathe these people. It fucking sucks. And the only thing I can say is if you’re lucky enough to make a show that is really good that people like, that means some bad people are going to like it too. You can’t just insist that everybody who watches your show get their head on straight … And I’m speaking for myself—I don’t want the show to have a political stance. But at the same time, individually, these [harassers] aren’t politicians and don’t represent politics. They represent some shit that I probably believed when I was 15."

What is all this in reference to?

[Easy_C]

(09-21-2017 05:13 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

As psychologically-predicted, if you disagree with Social Justice / Reform Judaism, then Dan Harmon hates you:

Quote:

"I was familiar going into the third season, having talked to Felicia Day, that any high-profile women get doxxed, they get harassed, they get threatened, they get slandered. And part of it is a testosterone-based subculture patting themselves on the back for trolling these women. Because to the extent that you get can get a girl to shriek about a frog you’ve proven girls are girly and there’s no crime in assaulting her with a frog because it’s all in the name of proving something. I think it’s all disgusting."

He then went on to discuss how much it frustrates him to know that people like this watch his show:

"These knobs, that want to protect the content they think they own—and somehow combine that with their need to be proud of something they have, which is often only their race or gender.

Similarly, the worldview of 'Rick and Morty' - le 'edgy' nihilism; violence for violence's sake; all relationships are dysfunctional; I'm far more intelligent than everyone else; all heroes are flawed; believing constantly-referencing the pop culture garbage I'd consumed was knowledge to be admired; anyone who disagrees with me is contemptible; and that people just can't handle my realtalk, maaaan - is something I believed when I was 12, and got the fuck over on my way to being a functional adult.

You know what else irks me?

These people have absolutely no clue what masculinity actually is and it's laughable that he calls it a "testosterone driven subculture".

Fuck no. Unlike him (and most internet people) I've actually spent some time around extremely high testosterone people. Awhile back I used to ride a Harley and had some acquaintances where were part of a group that you all would probably recognize the name of.

Let's just say that in a truly masculine culture, NOBODY engages in juvenile shit talking internet style. Everyone in that kind of environment has nothing to prove and is too well acquainted with violence to want to trigger it.....and the idiots who are tend to be shown the door (sometimes while airborne). The ribbing that does is exist is between friends and is generally a good thing because it means they feel comfortable enough with you to share humor. What he is talking about is the behavior of slimy, nasty, RATS and not in any way how most high testosterone males actually act.

Not that I would expect a fat, feminine, "creative" type whose contact with any kind of real masculinity ended the last time he got shoved into a locker.

I'm not entirely unsympathetic to his dislike for the internet "fandom" community ( because let's face it, most are fucking goobers)......but what he will never have the courage to think about is that he's much closer to that kind of person than he is toanyone who has a pair of fully functional balls.

[Matt Forney]

After yesterday's episode, I think we can officially declare that Rick and Morty has been converged by social justice.

Season 3 has been unrelentingly hostile to Jerry, from him getting divorced from Beth in the first episode to the wolf randomly eating his unemployment check in the second episode while "Loser!" hisses in the background, but the most recent episode is beyond mean-spirited.

The episode is focused on attacking him for daring to date someone else now that it's clear he and Beth are not going to reconcile, and both his children have been turned against him by her, to the point where Summer tells him that she and Morty favor Beth. He's depicted even worse than Beth, who literally goes on a murder spree in a pocket dimension and ends up killing the person she was going there to rescue.

In fact, after Jerry's girlfriend drags them on too many hunts, Summer forces him to admit that he's a "racist" and "beta male sexist" if he wants her's and Morty's help in getting rid of her, only for her to abandon him anyway. I guarantee you that Dan Harmon put that line in himself: it smacks of how gamma males co-opt manosphere terminology in an femme, bitchy way to bash it (see: Thunderf00t calling Aurini's editing "gamma-level" or the countless leftoids/alt-right homos who will claim that me, Roosh etc. "aren't really alpha" even though we've never called ourselves "alpha").

The constant savaging of Jerry---contrasted with how he was depicted as a dim but good-natured family man in the first two seasons---is completely in line with how feminists whine about "nice guys" and other male archetypes that exist entirely in their imaginations. Watch: we'll soon be seeing headlines like "Rick and Morty is the Most Feminist Animated Show on TV" and "How Rick and Morty Creator Dan Harmon Became a Feminist Hero and Told His Dudebro Fans to Fuck Off."

It's not just Jerry's characterization that's terrible. You've got Rick increasingly depicted as a Secret King who is always right and saves the day but can never catch a break, such as in the first episode, where it's revealed that his touching sacrifice at the end of the previous season was... all a ruse! He didn't grow a conscience and turn himself in to protect his family, he had this super-secret plot to wipe out the Federation AND the Council of Ricks all at once! Why won't you recognize his genius, guise???!!1

At the end of the episode, he also reveals that he orchestrated Jerry and Beth's divorce, ensuring that Morty and Summer will grow up in a broken home, and yet we're STILL supposed to feel bad for Rick and the fact that no one appreciates how brilliant he is. Blow me. Hilariously, Harmon keeps undermining his own characterization of Rick by increasingly depicting him as a callous, petty jerk, whether he's torturing and killing an entire superhero team or erasing memories from Morty's mind whenever Morty shows him up or embarrasses him.

The writers on this season are also just plain bad outside of politics. Season three increasingly relies on deus ex machinas to get the characters out of impossible situations. In the most recent episode, after Beth kills Tommy (who she was trying to save), she has Rick conveniently make a clone of him. In the "Morty's Mind Blowers" episode, one of the flashbacks is about Rick and Morty fleeing their dimension after arousing the wrath of the squirrels, which completely cheapens the first time they did it in "Rick Potion #9" back in the first season.

It calls to mind the last seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation (or the entirety of Voyager), where the writers would pull some random Treknobabble out of their asses after painting the characters into an impossible situation. It's lazy, shitty writing and cheapens any emotional impact the show might otherwise have. "Tales from the Citadel" was really the only good episode this season because it broke from the formula of "Rick always good, Jerry always bad, and here's some random plot device to unfuck the Gordian knot we wrote ourselves into."

The show is also not funny. I laughed hysterically through most of the first two seasons (outside the Interdimensional Cable episodes; getting rid of that was the only smart decision the writers made this season). The only time I got a good laugh this season was during the alien torture scene in "Morty's Mind Blowers."

At this current rate, I wouldn't be surprised if the show gets cancelled after its current season, though given the increasing praise it gets from the social justice set, maybe that will save it from the chopping block. The market can stay irrational longer than your predictions of doom for the NFL, SJW mass media, and socialist-run Twitter can stay solvent.

I only got turned on to Rick and Morty recently: I binge watched the first two seasons while I was sick with a fever. I've had to deal with a bunch of alcoholics in my life in recent years (including a girl I banged), and Rick's characterization nailed the alcoholic mentality perfectly: unrelentingly selfish, short-sighted, zero attention span, self-immolating, and self-pitying. But the show also balanced it out with positive qualities for each of the characters. A truly daring season three would have had an episode where Rick tries to quit drinking, but Dan Harmon didn't want to go there as it would screw up his depiction of Rick as an idealized version of himself, the Secret King who don't get no respect.

I doubt I'll be watching the next season of Rick and Morty. Dan Harmon made it clear he doesn't want me as a fan, so why fight it?

[cascadecombo]

tlr
Still gonna keep watching.

I stopped when you went on trying to get upset about his family getting upset at him. Kids will almost always have the desire for their parents to reunite.

What's really amusing is how a cartoon trigger you into writing an article about it.

[CynicalContrarian]

There's only one more episode to season 3.

Then if it takes 14-18 months for season 4 to emerge.
The political / social climate will have changed some what.
If the show creators are clever, they'll continue on their "story circle" structure & the show will advance on it's own merits rather than attempt a forced narrative to fit into whatever social climate may exist.

[The Beast1]

(09-25-2017 08:17 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

[great post by Matt]

Matt this has been an excellent summary of my own feelings for season 3. I'll disagree however, with interdimensional cable. That was hilarious.

Regardless, the show is losing what made seasons 1 and 2 good which was a sort of irreverent adventure between a Doc Brown and Marty McFly like group of characters. I was disgusted when I heard Beth call Jerry an angry racist beta male. I hate hearing "alpha/beta" crap on this forum and it infuriated me to hear it on a TV show.

This season has left me feeling pity for Jerry and increasingly disliking of Beth and Summer.

All in all, I get the impression that the writing staff along with Harmon himself are trying way too hard to drive some sort of plot. I think they hired some trashy ivy league educated writing staff who has been bolstering Harmon's own bad habits.

Which is a shame because if you watch some of the improv'd episodes on youtube they do it's the same magic that made season 1 and 2 hilarious.

Overall, great summary on Season 3. We won't see another season of Rick and Morty until 2019.

[BortimusPrime]

I think the biggest Gamma tell of this last episode was after Beth ends up going on a killing spree and then asks Ricks "Am I evil?", to which Rick replies "No, you're just smart." He then goes on the usual shtick about in infinite universe everyone else is just too boring and common for special people like themselves. This combined with Harmon's rant about dudebros watching his show really cements his status as a sperg who never grew out of his 14 year old "Everyone is stupid but me because I read a Richard Dawkins book and wear black eyeliner and respect women for their minds" phase.

[CynicalContrarian]

(09-25-2017 09:20 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

...Overall, great summary on Season 3. We won't see another season of Rick and Morty until 2019.

Hopefully Hellywood's "Trump derangement syndrome" will have died off by then... Maybe...

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Well - I get it. I know that the creators hate us, but those morons hate anything that is not cultural marxism central.

The show still has some good points in it for those who are into it.

The creeping of manosphere terms into their world is interesting - Beta Male is an apt description of Jerry. Of course the racist misogynist part is the usual propaganda.

At least Jerry got laid in an apt description of female dating patterns of wanting to trigger her real muscular target ex-boyfriend.

The cannibal all-fairy land was dark, but also fun.

Of course the makers will destroy it ever more, but compare it with most other bullshit out there that is so seeped into social justice madness, that it is utterly unwatchable. At least you have men acting here. Think of the Vikings show and how there feminist strong empowered women are better than men even in combat or the proud Vikings convert to Islam, because it is such a wonderful religion.

At least the creators here have a little bit more freedom.

The chick-magnet for example is one such idea:


Great to see them landing in fuck positions.

[Leonard D Neubache]

So the idiot thinks he can write this scene...

...and then seamlessly reintegrate into SJW territory?

Idiot.

Anyway, I got bored with this series by the second episode of season 2. Like a certain thread, I sensed it was going in a direction I didn't want.

[Easy_C]

Yep. The thing that makes Adult Swim shows (and a lot of other adult cartoon shows) is when they don't take themselves seriously and are relatively free to be silly...especially when they take something that's "academic" and use the more ridiculous aspects of it for laughs. A few of the first season episodes, Aqua Teen, and South Park have done this very well in the past.

But you now...same way with Harmon and his new team...and most of the SJW's that now infest media. They have major character deficits that make very literally impossible to not preach at their audience in a sanctimonious, condescending manner.

And it's entirely preventable too in a manner that's inconsistent even inside the same show. The "Pickle Rick" encounter with the therapist is hilarious because both Rick and the therapist are completely right in their own way: our own therapy-like focus on "inner calm" and such is antithetical to reaching a state where you have power over your own reality, and Rick actually does use his own intelligence to justify his own asshole behavior. Most important, it is not political. It's a character play because the idea of Rick's character trying to interact with a therapist is funny.

[Atlanta Man]

I think Harmon is just watching his ass with these statements in public, he does not want to end up like Million Dollar Extreme. MDE was funny as hell and had a big audience, but did not play the game of Hollywood well , and was axed. MDE (which was also on Adult Swim) made other creators take note , toe the line or get cut and blackballed. If I was Harmon I would do the same song and dance in the media he is- When I am at work you better believe I keep it PC as hell.

[Alpharius]

I still love this show. And Jerry is a dumb beta who is insecure enough that he's probably racist as fuck.

[King of Monkeys]

The sense of humor really sucked in this latest episode. I notice there's a couple episodes this season where the jokes and delivery is on point, but I'm finding too many episodes where the rhythm and dialogue come off as awkward and tryhard as hell.

I think the episodes that suck the most are mainly written by the women they added on (hence the episodes with more focus on Beth and Summer). Case in point: the Mad Max parody where suddenly Summer is magically "badass", but they show plays it off seriously instead of riffing on it. Or the episode where that guy gets cronenberged for liking big tits.

This season feels less like "Rick and Morty" and more like "Beth and Summer plus that weird kid and the old guy with hair and by the way Jerry's a loser. Did we mention we think Jerry's a pathetic loser? Now let's repeat this same joke for 11 episodes."

[Killer Joe]

God damn, they really did jump the shark on the "secret king" omega/gamma shit on last episode.

[cascadecombo]

I enjoyed how Jerry's robe says weak on the back.

[rapaz12]

I'm late to the party on a lot of the episodes this season. I just saw episode seven and it was just mind blowing. I loved it when the cop Morty was like, "oh you know how it is..just Mortys killin Mortys"

[King of Monkeys]

(10-02-2017 09:02 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

I enjoyed how Jerry's robe says weak on the back.

That's why you don't skip back day at the gym.

[HermeticAlly]

Really underwhelmed by the finale. Rick's invincibility and absolute superiority over everyone in existence smacks of gamma wish-fulfillment, and it's a dumb choice from a writing perspective because an invincible protagonist is boring. Also bugged by how this season didn't resolve things the show previously set up (Robo-Birdperson, Evil Morty, etc.) A few individual episodes were really good, but they seem to be writing themselves into a corner. And Summer and Beth are pretty boring, the amount of time spent on them feels like it's wasted.

[The Beast1]

And now we have to wait another two f*cking years for the show to come back.

Honestly, this is what happens when creatives don't have the gauntlet over their head. There's absolutely no reason for this to take so long to do.

I'll be in my late 40s by the time this show wraps up because these two can't keep their creative process intact.

[Emancipator]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewers head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenevs Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. ?

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid ?

[Transsimian]

(10-02-2017 10:32 PM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  

Really underwhelmed by the finale. Rick's invincibility and absolute superiority over everyone in existence smacks of gamma wish-fulfillment, and it's a dumb choice from a writing perspective because an invincible protagonist is boring. Also bugged by how this season didn't resolve things the show previously set up (Robo-Birdperson, Evil Morty, etc.) A few individual episodes were really good, but they seem to be writing themselves into a corner. And Summer and Beth are pretty boring, the amount of time spent on them feels like it's wasted.

Rick is the smartest mammal in the universe, it still doesn't mean he doesn't drive his family away and become the most targeted man on the planet through his arrogance.

We aren't meant to sympathise with Rick when he kills the security serviceman because he won't let the selfie go. Rick is an entertaining monster, but a monster none-the-less.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(10-03-2017 01:27 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewers head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenevs Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. ?

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid ?

What are you blabbing about?

What merited the disfigurement of the ex of Summer? He deserved to be Kronenberged for having picked a girl with bigger boobs?

The show is well-made and has plenty of good moments.

But I would not call myself smart just because I like the bloody show. Many smart people for example also like Monty Python, but certainly not all.

Also your reference as to fucking only girls that come into 5 point vicinity is just dumb. By IQ 140 the women are just 30% of that group and it gets thinner the higher you go. After a certain level you are 99 blokes on 1 woman. No bitch is getting even to 10 points proximity to that IQ.

Whether someone is able to reference scores of TV shows and literature does not automatically make all points valid.

I personally like the show for a variety of reasons, but would not tattoo anything of someone's fleeting idea on my body.

Also - for ladies only: