[hydrogonian]

(12-23-2010 10:31 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Please don't hate on me for using women as sex objects of my desires.

Hey, Mixx is it? Welcome to the RooshV forum We won't hate on you for using women as sex objects of your desires here

(12-23-2010 10:31 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

** WARNING. You will piss a lot of women off once they like you, and want to be with you and realize they were just a fuck under the morning sun in Miami Beach. Be prepared to deal with many scenarios of psycho women, which is why I AVOID bringing women to my house to bang. Use hotels/motels/cars/alleys/bathrooms to get your bang.

If you are not ready to have alligator skin, DO NOT DO THIS!!! I don't want hate mail later on because women tried to set your car on fire like Waiting to Exhale for following my challenge.

Gold advice. Its an eventuality, not a probability that you will deal with some true psychos in time. But banging them only once (instead of 3-4 times) should cut down on the psycho behavior. Most women have a mechanism to deal with rejection, in that if you just banged them once they will justify it to themselves that it didn't count and they can forget you easier. If you bang them enough to where the sex becomes amazing and they begin to fall in love, then you can be fucked if you cut them loose and they know where you live.

Dealing with a true psycho is not fun or exciting. Its a high stress situation that can drag on for months.

[MiXX]

Yeah, I am always more afraid of a women telling me how many "did not count" as oppose to how many did - which will never happen. I just got asked this question last week:

Target (in bed post-bang): "Mixx, how many women have you slept with and done this with?"
Mixx: Looking at her, and ignoring her question...
Target: "C'mon, I feel like a total slut, I know I won't see you again - I just know."
Mixx:"Ok, I'll give you an honest answer: The number of men that * did not count * in your life, multiply that by 2"
Target: "OH, FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!, I'M OUTTA HERE!"

Traget storms to the bathroom and starts crying....then leaves. Jeesh! I guess it must of been a high number. She's now got one more that "did not count".

Mixx

[MiXX]

(12-23-2010 02:51 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Mixx: What happens on a day when it looks like you're not going to get 2, due to being a lame city, holiday, weather, etc.? Just wondering how you deal with bad days.

There will be times when you are in the middle of a lame city for whatever reason, or it's pouring rain, or its 10 below 0, or you have a cold, and a fever.


As far as getting sick goes, I would say fight it before it happens. I personally do not even remember the last time I caught so much as a common cold. I take a Multi One-a-Day (without fail), eat 3 whole fruit servings everyday, and voila - I never get sick. I was out in DC in the rain, and cold, and my head was exposed to all the cold rain, and the hotel staff rushed to my aid warning me that I am about to become very sick.....I did not.

For lame cities, use the internet and Yelp, Facebook and Google the shit out of it to find anything that has a remote chance of having a girl standing by waiting for an interesting guy to rescue her from total boredom - lame cities are actually the easiest to get SNL's because women are just bored, and NEVER get approached by men.

Now, if all else fails, and you have tried everything you possibly can, and have even stooped low to head to the nearest Starbucks to hit on the barista, and it closes at 4pm because the city is so lame (this happened to me in Winston-Salem, NC), then my friend, get your ass out of dodge! I drove through a snow storm to get the hell out of lame winston salem, and drove to Charlotte to get my 2 approaches. It's war trooper....

Mixx

[hydrogonian]

(12-23-2010 12:09 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Target (in bed post-bang): "Mixx, how many women have you slept with and done this with?"
Mixx: Looking at her, and ignoring her question...
Target: "C'mon, I feel like a total slut, I know I won't see you again - I just know."
Mixx:"Ok, I'll give you an honest answer: The number of men that * did not count * in your life, multiply that by 2"
Target: "OH, FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!, I'M OUTTA HERE!"

Traget storms to the bathroom and starts crying....then leaves. Jeesh! I guess it must of been a high number. She's now got one more that "did not count".

Mixx

haha! that's fantastic. i'm using that.... a line for easy slut tears. It cuts to the heart of reality very well.

[Moma]

Mixx, I have a question for you. With all your approaches on women and so on, as a true alpha male, you are in the drivers seat.

Now, what if you meet a woman you like (or you are cool with) and she pumps and dumps you?

Or what if you are 75 percent sure that she is ALSO fcuking a stud with equal or excessive sexual prowess to you?

Do you ever encounter that?

I notice a lot of men like to play the field but they don't like when it gets flipped on them.

For instance, this guy in DR was just telling me about all these women one could fcuk. He would tell me sometimes when he comes up on a little change, he goes and fcuks 2 women etc.

I asked him with all this ease of fcuking here, how do the men feel when their wives also choose to step out for different dick?
I saw a flash of panic and unease sweep his face and he did not expansiate on this notion.

Many men would like to fcuk their girlfriend's sister, wives, cousins etc.

But if they entertained the thought of their girlfriend, wifey blowing their best friend or brother, their minds fill with rage.

Have you ever been duped by a chick and if so, how did u feel?

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(12-22-2010 07:25 PM)wolf Wrote:  

The point i'm making is there are guys who have been doing this for a decade and they are playing on the low end of the numbers game. I think it goes without saying that most day gamers are dressed to the T and etc.

As for the 0%, there are guys out there that have done several hundred approaches and didn't get laid. I doubt they made a 1000+ approaches, most men will quit if they don't get laid when they enter triple digits. Day game is completely different animal.

They will give you the time of day, the whole point of this is to get the lays. We're not here to get a phone numbers then high five everyone in close proximity.

Wolf Wrote: "the whole point of this is to get the lays. We're not here to get a phone numbers then high five everyone in close proximity."

For me the whole point isn't just to get a bunch of lays. The whole point is to get a bunch of lays until I find the right girl who's pretty enough, loyal enough, employeed enough, and respectful enough to place on permenant status. In addition, I'd like to have another 2-3 girls nearly equaling her in the qualities I mentioned, in order to break up monotony as well as replacements if #1 gets too far out of line!

In order to achieve the above, you need inventory! The only way you're going to get enough choices is to go out and get them. No, I don't think getting a bunch of numbers is worth high fiving everyone around. However, it all starts with a phone call usually. Getting a number is definitely a start. Will many girls flake, of course. We already know that. Hence the reason for going after 3 a day! Were going to approach so many girls that even if most of them flake, you'll still end up with literally more women that you can realistically handle! Who says choices aren't a good thing! Lol.

Now, when I say approach 3 girls a day, that doesn't necessarily mean all day game. If you only feel comfortable approaching women in clubs, then do it there. The only problem with that is you'll be getting ready to go out and paying $15 to get in to the club everyday! Not very practical. This means you'll have to incorporate day gaming into your hunts.

[MiXX]

(12-23-2010 02:09 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Mixx, I have a question for you. With all your approaches on women and so on, as a true alpha male, you are in the drivers seat.

Now, what if you meet a woman you like (or you are cool with) and she pumps and dumps you?

Or what if you are 75 percent sure that she is ALSO fcuking a stud with equal or excessive sexual prowess to you?

Do you ever encounter that?

I notice a lot of men like to play the field but they don't like when it gets flipped on them.

For instance, this guy in DR was just telling me about all these women one could fcuk. He would tell me sometimes when he comes up on a little change, he goes and fcuks 2 women etc.

I asked him with all this ease of fcuking here, how do the men feel when their wives also choose to step out for different dick?
I saw a flash of panic and unease sweep his face and he did not expansiate on this notion.

Many men would like to fcuk their girlfriend's sister, wives, cousins etc.

But if they entertained the thought of their girlfriend, wifey blowing their best friend or brother, their minds fill with rage.

Have you ever been duped by a chick and if so, how did u feel?

I honestly never get attached to anything that I could not walk away from at the drop of a dime, and not just women, but jobs, cars, anything material...if I loose it all tomorrow...oh well, it was fun. I stick to this rule, and it has saved me a bunch of heartache for over a decade. The only thing I cannot ever loose is integrity with myself. That is the only thing you can truly control not losing - anything else, including your freedom, can be taken from you.

I've had women use me for sex, and then dump me, and one went on to fuck my little brother. Great for her, she played her cards right, and got to fuck 2 brothers without looking like a slut in our eyes - she was an alpha female for sure.

I am used to alpha females, every single woman in my family is Alpha, and they all call the shots at all times, not my uncles, and including my own mother is an Alpha female. She tells my step-dad what to do, and what direction the family is headed, not him. She's always been like that, and raised me to be the same. My mom even has the guts to put me in my place and threaten me with violence if I step out of line in her presence - lol!


Now, regrading the women in DR, I have to tell you, dig the archives on this forum. DR is notorious for pros, and part-time pros who can hustle men for money and a ticket to America by using their pussy power. DR is all about what $$$ benefits she can gain by giving up her pussy to you. I am not really impressed by any man pulling a "hat trick" in DR, it's like me bragging about stealing a candy bar from a 2 year old.

Mixx

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(12-23-2010 12:37 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 02:51 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Mixx: What happens on a day when it looks like you're not going to get 2, due to being a lame city, holiday, weather, etc.? Just wondering how you deal with bad days.

There will be times when you are in the middle of a lame city for whatever reason, or it's pouring rain, or its 10 below 0, or you have a cold, and a fever.


As far as getting sick goes, I would say fight it before it happens. I personally do not even remember the last time I caught so much as a common cold. I take a Multi One-a-Day (without fail), eat 3 whole fruit servings everyday, and voila - I never get sick. I was out in DC in the rain, and cold, and my head was exposed to all the cold rain, and the hotel staff rushed to my aid warning me that I am about to become very sick.....I did not.

For lame cities, use the internet and Yelp, Facebook and Google the shit out of it to find anything that has a remote chance of having a girl standing by waiting for an interesting guy to rescue her from total boredom - lame cities are actually the easiest to get SNL's because women are just bored, and NEVER get approached by men.

Now, if all else fails, and you have tried everything you possibly can, and have even stooped low to head to the nearest Starbucks to hit on the barista, and it closes at 4pm because the city is so lame (this happened to me in Winston-Salem, NC), then my friend, get your ass out of dodge! I drove through a snow storm to get the hell out of lame winston salem, and drove to Charlotte to get my 2 approaches. It's war trooper....

Mixx

I was thinking the same thing last night. This has to be looked at truly as a project, a job or even war! lol. In order to do this, you can't let "I just got off work, and I'm tired" stop you! I live in Marin County, which is more of a family oriented, suburban community. There are times when I don't actually see three 7's in a day, especially after getting off work, with ony a little bit of the day remaining. However, I live 15 miles away from San Francisco, so I still have no excuse!

By the way, I think it should be made clear that only girls 7 and better should be approached. There's no point in going after 1,095 mediocre girls! It throws off the whole experiment! We all know we can get 4's! We're trying to bulid a team of stars here! We want the Lakers, not the Clippers! By years end we each should have 3 or 4 girls that we can feel more than proud bringing to any work function/party, black and white party, etc.!

[Moma]

(12-23-2010 02:47 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Now, regrading the women in DR, I have to tell you, dig the archives on this forum. DR is notorious for pros, and part-time pros who can hustle men for money and a ticket to America by using their pussy power. DR is all about what $$$ benefits she can gain by giving up her pussy to you. I am not really impressed by any man pulling a "hat trick" in DR, it's like me bragging about stealing a candy bar from a 2 year old.

Mixx

I agree with the bolded items. My point about DR wasn't to highlight that the man was able to get punni (whether he paid for it or not) but to highlight the mindstate of men who can get a lot of punni but not feel resentful or mad when a lizard runs the same game on them.

Like some men will fcuk everything under the sun but start spitting and howling if their dyme steps out on them for a minute. I go in to bang with the mindstate that whatever goes around, comes around.

If a lizard is juggling me between another male, ideally I shouldn't give a shyt.

Once a man gives a shyt, then he's not much better than beta chode (IMO).

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(12-23-2010 03:26 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 02:47 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Now, regrading the women in DR, I have to tell you, dig the archives on this forum. DR is notorious for pros, and part-time pros who can hustle men for money and a ticket to America by using their pussy power. DR is all about what $$$ benefits she can gain by giving up her pussy to you. I am not really impressed by any man pulling a "hat trick" in DR, it's like me bragging about stealing a candy bar from a 2 year old.

Mixx

I agree with the bolded items. My point about DR wasn't to highlight that the man was able to get punni (whether he paid for it or not) but to highlight the mindstate of men who can get a lot of punni but not feel resentful or mad when a lizard runs the same game on them.

Like some men will fcuk everything under the sun but start spitting and howling if their dyme steps out on them for a minute. I go in to bang with the mindstate that whatever goes around, comes around.

If a lizard is juggling me between another male, ideally I shouldn't give a shyt.

Once a man gives a shyt, then he's not much better than beta chode (IMO).

Ummm... Yes and no. I mean, obviously if the girl is just a one night stand or someone you truly don't give a damn about, other than she's hot, then who cares who else she's seeing? On the other hand, and this might sound misogynictic, but I don't believe that the women I actually date should necessarily have all the same privileges I have, though it took me a long time to get to that point. No one ever said the dynamics of dating were going to be 100% fair! For instance, while there are quite a few players on this board who don't trick on women, the majority of men do most of the buying of dinners, paying of drinks, paying of movies, paying of hotel rooms, paying of taxis', etc. Is that fair? The women is enjoying these events as much as we are, yet she gets freebie after freebie. So, if I'm going to be primarliy responsible for funding these excursions, she needs to be just a bit more cooperative and a bit more loyal than I! Aside from the fact that just being the man entitles me to certain things, as her being the woman entitles her! Unless there are clearly outlined open relationship privileges going on, (of which even that situation should mostly benefit the man) the woman is expected to be faithful, period. That is her duty. Our duty is to fight bears and chase away wild indians! So, as long as she hasn't been attacked by a grizzly or wild Comanches we've done our job! lol.

[wolf]

(12-23-2010 12:09 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Yeah, I am always more afraid of a women telling me how many "did not count" as oppose to how many did - which will never happen. I just got asked this question last week:

Target (in bed post-bang): "Mixx, how many women have you slept with and done this with?"
Mixx: Looking at her, and ignoring her question...
Target: "C'mon, I feel like a total slut, I know I won't see you again - I just know."
Mixx:"Ok, I'll give you an honest answer: The number of men that * did not count * in your life, multiply that by 2"
Target: "OH, FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!, I'M OUTTA HERE!"

Traget storms to the bathroom and starts crying....then leaves. Jeesh! I guess it must of been a high number. She's now got one more that "did not count".

Mixx

It's like those women that come out on a date and bring only $5. No ID, no nothing else. That should be a red flag right there. Pump and dump them.

[wolf]

(12-23-2010 02:40 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(12-22-2010 07:25 PM)wolf Wrote:  

The point i'm making is there are guys who have been doing this for a decade and they are playing on the low end of the numbers game. I think it goes without saying that most day gamers are dressed to the T and etc.

As for the 0%, there are guys out there that have done several hundred approaches and didn't get laid. I doubt they made a 1000+ approaches, most men will quit if they don't get laid when they enter triple digits. Day game is completely different animal.

They will give you the time of day, the whole point of this is to get the lays. We're not here to get a phone numbers then high five everyone in close proximity.

Wolf Wrote: "the whole point of this is to get the lays. We're not here to get a phone numbers then high five everyone in close proximity."

For me the whole point isn't just to get a bunch of lays. The whole point is to get a bunch of lays until I find the right girl who's pretty enough, loyal enough, employeed enough, and respectful enough to place on permenant status. In addition, I'd like to have another 2-3 girls nearly equaling her in the qualities I mentioned, in order to break up monotony as well as replacements if #1 gets too far out of line!

In order to achieve the above, you need inventory! The only way you're going to get enough choices is to go out and get them. No, I don't think getting a bunch of numbers is worth high fiving everyone around. However, it all starts with a phone call usually. Getting a number is definitely a start. Will many girls flake, of course. We already know that. Hence the reason for going after 3 a day! Were going to approach so many girls that even if most of them flake, you'll still end up with literally more women that you can realistically handle! Who says choices aren't a good thing! Lol.

Now, when I say approach 3 girls a day, that doesn't necessarily mean all day game. If you only feel comfortable approaching women in clubs, then do it there. The only problem with that is you'll be getting ready to go out and paying $15 to get in to the club everyday! Not very practical. This means you'll have to incorporate day gaming into your hunts.

Make sure you don't spend a lot of money doing this.

[Moma]

(12-23-2010 04:02 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 03:26 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 02:47 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Now, regrading the women in DR, I have to tell you, dig the archives on this forum. DR is notorious for pros, and part-time pros who can hustle men for money and a ticket to America by using their pussy power. DR is all about what $$$ benefits she can gain by giving up her pussy to you. I am not really impressed by any man pulling a "hat trick" in DR, it's like me bragging about stealing a candy bar from a 2 year old.

Mixx

I agree with the bolded items. My point about DR wasn't to highlight that the man was able to get punni (whether he paid for it or not) but to highlight the mindstate of men who can get a lot of punni but not feel resentful or mad when a lizard runs the same game on them.

Like some men will fcuk everything under the sun but start spitting and howling if their dyme steps out on them for a minute. I go in to bang with the mindstate that whatever goes around, comes around.

If a lizard is juggling me between another male, ideally I shouldn't give a shyt.

Once a man gives a shyt, then he's not much better than beta chode (IMO).

Ummm... Yes and no. I mean, obviously if the girl is just a one night stand or someone you truly don't give a damn about, other than she's hot, then who cares who else she's seeing? On the other hand, and this might sound misogynictic, but I don't believe that the women I actually date should necessarily have all the same privileges I have, though it took me a long time to get to that point. No one ever said the dynamics of dating were going to be 100% fair! For instance, while there are quite a few players on this board who don't trick on women, the majority of men do most of the buying of dinners, paying of drinks, paying of movies, paying of hotel rooms, paying of taxis', etc. Is that fair? The women is enjoying these events as much as we are, yet she gets freebie after freebie. So, if I'm going to be primarliy responsible for funding these excursions, she needs to be just a bit more cooperative and a bit more loyal than I! Aside from the fact that just being the man entitles me to certain things, as her being the woman entitles her! Unless there are clearly outlined open relationship privileges going on, (of which even that situation should mostly benefit the man) the woman is expected to be faithful, period. That is her duty. Our duty is to fight bears and chase away wild indians! So, as long as she hasn't been attacked by a grizzly or wild Comanches we've done our job! lol.

This is a very good point. For any relationship to go forth, a woman should bring equal value. A lot of beta males go forth thinking (due to programming from deluded females) that men are supposed to do all these catering services. We live in a society where women get equal pay to men (by and large). It is illegal to openly discriminate on pay for a job based on gender. Even with these principles in place, women continue to expect certain services from men, in essence having their cake and eat it.

In fact, this idea of Mixx 3 opens a day is an excellent idea. The only problem is, women from this city tend to run in the same circles. Many times I have gone out on a date and seen a chick I tried to run game on. I got burnt a few years ago when I tried to open up on one chick and then another and it ends up that they were both friends. I tried to style it out but that one was a lost cause.
You dig?

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(12-23-2010 04:28 PM)wolf Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 02:40 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(12-22-2010 07:25 PM)wolf Wrote:  

The point i'm making is there are guys who have been doing this for a decade and they are playing on the low end of the numbers game. I think it goes without saying that most day gamers are dressed to the T and etc.

As for the 0%, there are guys out there that have done several hundred approaches and didn't get laid. I doubt they made a 1000+ approaches, most men will quit if they don't get laid when they enter triple digits. Day game is completely different animal.

They will give you the time of day, the whole point of this is to get the lays. We're not here to get a phone numbers then high five everyone in close proximity.

Wolf Wrote: "the whole point of this is to get the lays. We're not here to get a phone numbers then high five everyone in close proximity."

For me the whole point isn't just to get a bunch of lays. The whole point is to get a bunch of lays until I find the right girl who's pretty enough, loyal enough, employeed enough, and respectful enough to place on permenant status. In addition, I'd like to have another 2-3 girls nearly equaling her in the qualities I mentioned, in order to break up monotony as well as replacements if #1 gets too far out of line!

In order to achieve the above, you need inventory! The only way you're going to get enough choices is to go out and get them. No, I don't think getting a bunch of numbers is worth high fiving everyone around. However, it all starts with a phone call usually. Getting a number is definitely a start. Will many girls flake, of course. We already know that. Hence the reason for going after 3 a day! Were going to approach so many girls that even if most of them flake, you'll still end up with literally more women that you can realistically handle! Who says choices aren't a good thing! Lol.

Now, when I say approach 3 girls a day, that doesn't necessarily mean all day game. If you only feel comfortable approaching women in clubs, then do it there. The only problem with that is you'll be getting ready to go out and paying $15 to get in to the club everyday! Not very practical. This means you'll have to incorporate day gaming into your hunts.

Make sure you don't spend a lot of money doing this.

Don't spend a lot of money? Well, I can't pretend that some money won't be spent but for the most part, day game is free! Also, as far as I'm concerned, spending the money to buy some clothes for myself to look good, or the entrance fee into a night club isn't that bad, if it can lead to building your team. I mean, presumably since you're on this board you're prepared to fly off to another country to find women, and you're worried about spending too much money??

[Urban Renaissance Man]

In fact, this idea of Mixx 3 opens a day is an excellent idea. The only problem is, women from this city tend to run in the same circles. Many times I have gone out on a date and seen a chick I tried to run game on. I got burnt a few years ago when I tried to open up on one chick and then another and it ends up that they were both friends. I tried to style it out but that one was a lost cause.
You dig?
[/quote]

Yes, I understand that. You will probably bump into a girls here and there that are friends. yes, that can be a bit embarrassing, but overall, so what?? You'll have a little egg on your face. On the other hand, and I have had this in my life, there will be those instances when you're able to kick it with both of them, sometimes at the same time! Yes, rare I know, but there have been a couple of times where I wrote two different girls on My Space who ended up being friends! They both wrote me and called me out on it! Yes, they had attitude, but I just told them that I thought they were both beautiful and would've been equally happy with either one. I ended up kickin' it with both of them, granted, at different time periods, but still, I had both of them during the same 4 month period.

What I'm saying is, don't worry about things like that. I mean, minimize it if and when you can, but ultimately you're out to meet women, and honestly and woman who's truly realistic will understand that as a single man you're going to talk to many women! Also, like Mixx said, go outside of your inmmediate area if possible to meet women!

The bottom line is that there's no way to truly prevent being embarrassed over rejection, disses, approaching two women that happen to be friends, etc. The only cure for embarrassment is to become a person that doesn't allow things like that to embarrass them! Along with meeting lots of women, this excercise should help with that as well! We will have a year of mental toughening!

[oldnemesis]

(12-23-2010 02:09 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I notice a lot of men like to play the field but they don't like when it gets flipped on them.

This is insecurity.

Quote:

Many men would like to fcuk their girlfriend's sister, wives, cousins etc.

But if they entertained the thought of their girlfriend, wifey blowing their best friend or brother, their minds fill with rage.

Exactly. Jealousy is based on insecurity and low self-esteem. It is based on the assumption that your quality is so low that pretty much every dick out there is better than you are. This causes the behavior you described, which ends up being the fear of losing her. There may be other concerns as well, which you should eliminate by providing an example where everything happens very discreetly.

The thing is, for a successful long-term relationship one of the partners must be at least a little insecure. If both people are confident they're the best and even if dumped they'd easily find a replacement, they won't be in a relationship for long except being just fuck buddies. In Russia where I grew up it is mostly females who're scared to be dumped and replaced by a better or younger girl (and it happens quite often). What I find amusing is that in US those happen to be mostly males who're afraid to lose their relationship. This is one of the reasons why Asian and Eastern European girls consider American guys being weak.

Personally I have no issues with my wife having sex with other guys considering reasonable restrictions (like condom use). Since I do it, I consider it fair she can do it too.

[oldnemesis]

(12-23-2010 04:02 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

On the other hand, and this might sound misogynictic, but I don't believe that the women I actually date should necessarily have all the same privileges I have, though it took me a long time to get to that point.

This is fair game as long as you make it clear to her what the terms are, and she accepted it. Otherwise you'll just end up cheating behind each other backs, which not only gets ugly very fast, but also questions whether you really have a relationship.

Note, however, that for her to accept such inequality you will have to compensate it with something else. A girl whose value is equal to yours (and note we're talking about real value, not displayed one) just won't accept those terms, why would she? She might do it temporary, but she'll reconsider it every day, and sooner or later she will get out of this relationship, making it temporary at best. The only way such inequality can work well is when you compensate it with another inequality - for example, you're a celebrity, rich or have any other kind of advantage.

Quote:

No one ever said the dynamics of dating were going to be 100% fair! For instance, while there are quite a few players on this board who don't trick on women, the majority of men do most of the buying of dinners, paying of drinks, paying of movies, paying of hotel rooms, paying of taxis', etc. Is that fair?

If you think it is not, why are you paying? Comparing things money-wise, a US whore costs $150-$300 an hour, so if all you're looking is a fuck and you spend more than that, you might want to reconsider your game.

Quote:

So, if I'm going to be primarliy responsible for funding these excursions, she needs to be just a bit more cooperative and a bit more loyal than I! Aside from the fact that just being the man entitles me to certain things, as her being the woman entitles her! Unless there are clearly outlined open relationship privileges going on, (of which even that situation should mostly benefit the man) the woman is expected to be faithful, period. That is her duty.

You may expect whatever you want, but it is a good thing to do a reality check and ensure your expectations are realistic. Otherwise you're in danger of joining a swamp of middle-aged sorrow depressing men going through the midlife crisis.

[wolf]

(12-23-2010 06:31 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 04:28 PM)wolf Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 02:40 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(12-22-2010 07:25 PM)wolf Wrote:  

The point i'm making is there are guys who have been doing this for a decade and they are playing on the low end of the numbers game. I think it goes without saying that most day gamers are dressed to the T and etc.

As for the 0%, there are guys out there that have done several hundred approaches and didn't get laid. I doubt they made a 1000+ approaches, most men will quit if they don't get laid when they enter triple digits. Day game is completely different animal.

They will give you the time of day, the whole point of this is to get the lays. We're not here to get a phone numbers then high five everyone in close proximity.

Wolf Wrote: "the whole point of this is to get the lays. We're not here to get a phone numbers then high five everyone in close proximity."

For me the whole point isn't just to get a bunch of lays. The whole point is to get a bunch of lays until I find the right girl who's pretty enough, loyal enough, employeed enough, and respectful enough to place on permenant status. In addition, I'd like to have another 2-3 girls nearly equaling her in the qualities I mentioned, in order to break up monotony as well as replacements if #1 gets too far out of line!

In order to achieve the above, you need inventory! The only way you're going to get enough choices is to go out and get them. No, I don't think getting a bunch of numbers is worth high fiving everyone around. However, it all starts with a phone call usually. Getting a number is definitely a start. Will many girls flake, of course. We already know that. Hence the reason for going after 3 a day! Were going to approach so many girls that even if most of them flake, you'll still end up with literally more women that you can realistically handle! Who says choices aren't a good thing! Lol.

Now, when I say approach 3 girls a day, that doesn't necessarily mean all day game. If you only feel comfortable approaching women in clubs, then do it there. The only problem with that is you'll be getting ready to go out and paying $15 to get in to the club everyday! Not very practical. This means you'll have to incorporate day gaming into your hunts.

Make sure you don't spend a lot of money doing this.

Don't spend a lot of money? Well, I can't pretend that some money won't be spent but for the most part, day game is free! Also, as far as I'm concerned, spending the money to buy some clothes for myself to look good, or the entrance fee into a night club isn't that bad, if it can lead to building your team. I mean, presumably since you're on this board you're prepared to fly off to another country to find women, and you're worried about spending too much money??

Day game is free, but your game is not up to par where you just tell them to come over to your place and then you get to fucking. You have to take them out on dates. Which means money. If you do get a lot of dates that means a lot of money.

The reason I'm on this board is to sleep with women with using a minimum amount of resources. If I'm going to be flying to another country it's to be in a relationship with one to several women or to look for a wife to bring back. Day game is great but if I'm treating a woman like a pump and dump I want to be spending exactly how much she is worth to me. Which is almost nothing.

[MiXX]

Anyone who thinks of bedding women for less than $20 bucks in modern day, is in for a very rude awakening. I am not a number cruncher, and I don't keep track of every penny I am about spend when I go out. That's way too much stress for me and it impacts my inner game to be thinking about going over budget when I am hunting for prey on the streets. It is what it is, it's a hobby, and somedays I'll spend $10USD and somedays I'll spend $500USD - it's the game. If you canot afford the $$$ it takes, then maybe you should be focusing on a lucrative career instead of hunting women, or just be happy with 2 lucky sympathy bangs per year....I'm just saying

I am not going to penny pinch every cup of coffee, movie ticket, glass of water, pizza or gas prices to x's house every time I go out (unless I'm gaming a Jewish girl - she'll be impressed by my cheapness)

Comparing women you game to a whore and justifying it is kind of silly to me, no disrespect intended when I say that. A whore charges you $300hour on a good day, this is true, but a whore will be packing her shit, and asking "are you done yet? or Hurry up!" every five minutes and the minute you bust a nut, she's getting dressed like a robot and out the door regardless if you have 30 minutes or more left on the clock!...seriously, you cannot compare a woman excited and happy about fucking you vs. a woman being paid to fuck you and move on to the next john for more $$$. If that's the kind of sex you are having with non-pros, you really need to consider the non-pros you are banging.


A ho is a ho, wether it be a craigslist whore or a club ho, but you cannot possibly compare fucking a $300 whore, to fucking the VP of Finance of a major bank like I did (and she was friggin hot),or a NYPD lady cop, and then say you get the same satisfaction....I have to throw the bullshit flag out on that one.

Mixx

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(12-24-2010 11:47 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Anyone who thinks of bedding women for less than $20 bucks in modern day, is in for a very rude awakening. I am not a number cruncher, and I don't keep track of every penny I am about spend when I go out. That's way too much stress for me and it impacts my inner game to be thinking about going over budget when I am hunting for prey on the streets. It is what it is, it's a hobby, and somedays I'll spend $10USD and somedays I'll spend $500USD - it's the game. If you canot afford the $$$ it takes, then maybe you should be focusing on a lucrative career instead of hunting women, or just be happy with 2 lucky sympathy bangs per year....I'm just saying

I am not going to penny pinch every cup of coffee, movie ticket, glass of water, pizza or gas prices to x's house every time I go out (unless I'm gaming a Jewish girl - she'll be impressed by my cheapness)

Comparing women you game to a whore and justifying it is kind of silly to me, no disrespect intended when I say that. A whore charges you $300hour on a good day, this is true, but a whore will be packing her shit, and asking "are you done yet? or Hurry up!" every five minutes and the minute you bust a nut, she's getting dressed like a robot and out the door regardless if you have 30 minutes or more left on the clock!...seriously, you cannot compare a woman excited and happy about fucking you vs. a woman being paid to fuck you and move on to the next john for more $$$. If that's the kind of sex you are having with non-pros, you really need to consider the non-pros you are banging.


A ho is a ho, wether it be a craigslist whore or a club ho, but you cannot possibly compare fucking a $300 whore, to fucking the VP of Finance of a major bank like I did (and she was friggin hot),or a NYPD lady cop, and then say you get the same satisfaction....I have to throw the bullshit flag out on that one.

Mixx

Well put Mixx! The way you described the pro experience is dead on anywhere in the States! And even overseas, I'm sure it takes most guys a while before they find a girl, 7 or above, who's giving them girlfriend experience. Don't get me wrong, I certainly look forward to traveling to places like the Philippines and having a room full of beautiful women to choose from! I think every man should have that experience. However, it definitely isn't the same as having someone who really likes you or even just someone who truly lusts after you! Yes, I might spend $95 on meals and $20 on gas, but when that girl ends up back at your place for the entire night, until breakfast the next morning, you've more than gotten your moneys worth, if you're comparing it to a pro experience! Pllus, when you're dealing with women that actually like you, there will be times, though perhaps rare, when they pay! To be honest, when you're dealing with a girl who's truly into you, and if your game is just somewhat tight, you can make her do almost anything!

I hate to admit this but you're right again about something Mixx... The amount of women a guy can feasibly talk to each and every day! I did a sample test last night at my local mall. Even at a crowded mall, during the height of shopping season, it truly was a challenge finding 3 non-married/hooked up girls, that I would rate 7 or above, to talk to! There really isn't enough time in a normal work day to do so. I now see why you came up with the 2 a day minimum! It is more realistic. I ran the numbers and I figured that even with that a guy should still end up with 22 choice women to deal with during that year! It actually makes for a more manageable amount of girl to deal with.

I do have one disagreement, and that's the no 'make up days' rule. For instance, I for one work overtime quite a bit. 3am till 7pm on those days! I'm literally at work all day. The only way to get my 2 in would be to chat up girls at work, which I feel is almost a definite no no for reasons obvious to anyone who's carried on a work relationship before! Therefore, make up days are sort of needed at times. I know others have mentioned foul weather or being sick, etc. There is certainly a thin line between making excuses and actually having a situation where you truly can't get out to meet girls! However, anyone lying about the situation is only hampering their own efforts!

[baberuth]

Speaking of trooping, MIXX and I wen't trooping last night on foot for 4 hours on SoBe!!

It was awesome, South Beach was in the 50's and it was very chill because everyone was doing the family thing for the holidays. So we went hunting on foot all night in search of the hidden gems and the night was a great success.

Our first interaction of the night was hilarious, Mixx went into a hotel lobby up to a smookin hot blondie with her chump boyfriend. I loved seeing this because of Mixx's Alpha nature...The boyfriend was almost to timid to speak, I thought he was about to piss his pants haha.

Mixx did some badass shit last night that I got to learn from. One big one was Demonstrating Higher Value! Our best set of the night was at Segafreddo. Mixx picked up a gorgeous blondie from Cordoba. I looked over at them and I almost thought she was in a trance because whatever game he was throwing at hers, she just about melted. To top it off she gave him her number in the checkbook holder because she was the hostess and the boss couldnt see. I was just chillen played wing, but actually in the process hit it off with her hot server friend at the joint.

Also, Mixx gave me some great ebooks to read. The one i'm reading now is called "what everyone is saying" by Joe Navarro, and ex FBI. It is a great tool for non verbal cominication. Some of those books you showed me would definitely be great reads for many guys on the forum.

What are some suggested reads?

My legs are damn sore from the hunt last night and typing on this iphone is a pain so i'm finishing this post haha. But god damn I had alot of fun last night Mixx, you're the fucking man.

[wolf]

I would like to very much hear what material Mixx found useful for day game, besides the obvious Paul Janka stuff.

[oldnemesis]

(12-24-2010 11:47 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Comparing women you game to a whore and justifying it is kind of silly to me, no disrespect intended when I say that. A whore charges you $300hour on a good day, this is true, but a whore will be packing her shit, and asking "are you done yet? or Hurry up!" every five minutes and the minute you bust a nut, she's getting dressed like a robot and out the door regardless if you have 30 minutes or more left on the clock!...

Wow. Is it so bad in Miami?
Not being an expert, but I do have some experience in that field, and never in my life the service was ever as bad as you described. Never paid $300 either

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A ho is a ho, wether it be a craigslist whore or a club ho, but you cannot possibly compare fucking a $300 whore, to fucking the VP of Finance of a major bank like I did (and she was friggin hot),or a NYPD lady cop, and then say you get the same satisfaction....

You're comparing apples with oranges. What is a chance for average dude to bang a VP of Finance of a major bank (even though they have like thousands of those VPs)? Probably quite low. Now a chance of the same dude being able to come up with $300?

Another thing to consider, you're comparing based on status. Which is important for some people (for example for ego boost, which is a good thing) - but personally to me it is quite unimportant. The drawbacks here far outweigh the benefits - her status makes it harder to get her, while at the same time it doesn't make the fuck any better.

Your success is quite outstanding and it is well-deserved, because you're putting in a lot of efforts in it (learning a language as difficult as Russian to band women? that IS kind of major effort!). However my guess is that vast majority of people are not going to put even a quarter of your effort into banging women. So this comparison ends up being similar as Bill Gates saying "anyone could make 50B in States, I did it". Sure, he did. So did you. This doesn't mean anyone else can do it, or considers it worthy achievement.

[Sirob]

All this talk is getting me super motivated to get my ass out there in 2011 and start approaching 2 women per day (I did this for around 3 months, aug sep and oct, until hard winter set in).

Count me in as the overseas trooper in switzerland (the red neck land of europa). All systems set for launch on Jan 9, when I return.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(12-25-2010 07:27 AM)Sirob Wrote:  

All this talk is getting me super motivated to get my ass out there in 2011 and start approaching 2 women per day (I did this for around 3 months, aug sep and oct, until hard winter set in).

Count me in as the overseas trooper in switzerland (the red neck land of europa). All systems set for launch on Jan 9, when I return.

Well, that's what this is all about! o motivate guys into action!

If the players on this board don't mind, I'm give to give a weekly report on my progress in a new thread in January. I will try to be as descriptive as possible while still protecting the innocent. lol. Hopefully others will join with their experiences.

Keep in mind that this is also a learning process. Learning what to say and to not say, how to open properly, how to handle rejection, best place to go to meet girls, etc. We should all be better Macks and more successful in June than we are in January!