[draguer]

I spent three weeks in Vietnam over the Christmas/New Years Eve. I was with my parents most days visiting tourist sites which meant I focussed my gaming on night game. I didn’t go out as much as I would have if I were on my own but I managed to see some of every place I went to. As I was with my parents I rolled solo every time. Vietnam is a great country to visit on its own right with some fascinating history and things to see but I will limit this to game information. This is my first attempt at a data sheet and is quite sparse. I have probably missed some things so if you have any questions feel free to ask.

Saigon –

I had a great time here. The city has a great energy and seems to have less Western influence than Bangkok. There are many petite, cute Vietnamese girls around who are very open to talking to foreigners. Viacom Mall would stand out as a great place to day game cute upper class local girls.


Lush

I had been told this was a great place to meet local girls and am glad I went. I walked in and heads turned as I was the only white guy in the club. Mostly upper class university age groups, there were some cute girls, usually in large groups with several effeminate men. Other more alpha looking masculine guys had bottle service tables who were getting some play. I had a make out with a university student but as I was sharing a room with my brother and the hotel had a strict no-local girl policy I didn’t aggressively escalate further. The club has a nice interior and I think a well-dressed Western guy with his shit together could kill it in here.

Apocalypse Now

Filled with hammered Western men falling over each other and tables of local prostitutes eyeing up targets. Beer was 4 X the price of other places. I didn’t stay here long.

Chill Skybar –



Attracts a well-heeled crowd and you’ll pay Western prices for drinks. A more relaxed vibe than other places and while not as good for gaming as other places I would recommend going for a drink here just for the amazing view. Would be a good place to bring a girl.

The area around Crazy Buffalo

This reminded me of Khao San Road in Bangkok, although the locals have a strong presence. Filled with deck chairs with a 50/50 split of foreigners and locals drinking looking out to the street. A few cute Vietnamese girls who were usually approachable and some sloppy Western backpacker types, who I avoided.

Hoi An


An old trading town which has become one of Vietnam’s most popular tourist spots, Hoi An does not have a busy night life scene. There are many quiet and relaxed bars which would be great to bring a girl to but I wasn’t motivated to do too much away from my parents, as I was aware of the nightlife options in the next places. The main tourist part is quite compact allowing for day game. I'd recommend you get some clothes made here, very cheap and of a high quality. I went to Yaly and had a blazer and some shirts made and was very happy.

Nha Trang


I arrived the morning of New Years Eve. At first I was very disappointed, the beach was occupied primarily by overweight middle-aged Russian women and their drunk husbands. Very few girls passed the boner test (it gets better though read). There is a heavy Russian influence in the town to the extent that the locals will approach you speaking Russian as will many Russians who often assume that if you’re white you are Russian.

Nha Trang Sailing Club




I spent New Years Eve here so obviously this might not be representative of how it is all the time. After my disappointment at discovering the influx of clammy babushkas earlier in the day, I was delighted when I walked in here around 9pm. The place was packed with a mix of well- dressed and presented Western people (a mix of expats from the cities and tourists) and upper class locals. Surprisingly few Russians considering what I had seen earlier that day however. I enjoyed that they kept all the tables stocked with free cigarettes. The Westerners and Russians all seemed friendly and were getting on well. The club also had a beach DJ area with maybe 1000 people. I pulled a 25 year old English girl from here and the girls were generally very open and easy to talk to. I went back other nights but it was much quieter and while the design of the bar is conducive to meeting and talking to lots of different people I didn’t get any strong leads.

Why Not Bar –

A more backpacker sort of bar with cheaper drinks which attracts a solid crowd but not the type that would appeal to most on here. I have since heard that it has a reputation for being dangerous and a rip off but I did not have any problems.

Mui Ne –

A place I hadn’t heard much about before I went but I had a fantastic experience and it was a highlight. As it has beautiful beaches and often strong winds it attracts a large kite surfing crowd, who are mostly guys but usually very cool chilled dudes . Despite this, at night time it was not at all a cock fest with many Russian girls travelling in small groups together. Russians have even more of a dominance here and I would say when I went out they were maybe 2/3 of the bar. It is a more adventorous and young crowd (read: attractive) than what you will find in Nha Trang

Dragon Garden Bar –

The first night I arrived was a Saturday and I went to the bars with the most online presence, Fun Key Bar and Joe’s Cafe. They were completely dead and thinking “Shit, is this really it?” I nearly got in a taxi to go home. However I remembered walking past this place but it has a large fence around the outside and really gives no impression of how busy it is. It was only 11 at this point so I thought “Fuck it”, turned around and went back there. I walked in and couldn’t believe it, maybe 200 people a great set up with booth areas, a huge square bar counter with five bartenders inside it, a dance club part inside which later became packed, and the South China Sea running along the side. On top of this there were a great ratio and many feminine Russian women. As I was solo I posted up at the bar and quickly got stuck with an IRT telling me about the girls he pulled in Europe, before I ejected and started approaching. The Russian girls were initially very receptive but often the conversation would fizz out due to language barriers.

However as the night went on and the liquor flowed, I embraced a cave man sort of game and became more quickly physical. This led to a make out with a Colombiana but I think I escalated too early by pulling her hair and scared the cat. She ‘went to the bathroom’ and I saw her later but the spark was gone. I was glad this happened however as at some point I came across a Russian 8-9 (no idea what your guys ratings are but she would be in the top 1% in NZ) who I hit it off with. She was sweet, feminine, and a lot fun. Anyhow we went back to her place and I got my first Russian notch. Having a knee-jerk reaction but being with a girl of that quality has given me a bit of a shift, I want to go to Russia and I am feeling even less tolerant than before of BS from entitled Western princesses who offer very little. She had to leave the next day and I think I got some oneitis. I went out the following nights but was not motivated to game aggressively. I met some red pill guys and had some good discussions about game, Western culture and gender relations. I went home a few days later and regret not pushing harder the last few days but it is what it is and I now have some good contacts around Europe.

Other points:

I could have made more effort trying to game local girls but didn’t for a number of reasons:

1.My logistics and accommodation arrangements with family weren’t ideal for it.
2.I don’t really have yellow fever.
3.At home my exposure to feminine Russian women is limited so they took my attention.

For Westerners there is a noticeable difference in the crowd to that found in Thailand. Generalising, Westerners are a bit older and more interested in the culture and history as opposed to many in Thailand who are there to party and relax. I noticed a large number of single 30-35 year old women from the Anglosphere who were bitter about their impending wall victimhood. I made out with a few who shit-tested me about age difference. I turned it back on one of them by agreeing and amplifying which turned got her worked up into a sort of resentful attraction. I hadn’t kissed her at this point but then accidentally burned her with my cigarette. I said sorry then grabbed her and escalated. I let her go later and could have probably pushed for the bang but was having too much fun with people I had met earlier in the trip so wasn’t bothered.

If I went back and had better logistics plus a wing man, and was more focussed I think I could have a great time here game-wise. This trip was very rich culturally however and I gained a lot from it. So 5 makeouts, 2 bangs and I went out 6 times over three weeks.

[Afarang]

few questions

Do they offer bottle service? if so how much for a bottle 1litre of Vodka/Whiskey.

What district did you stay in HCM? and which one did you prefer

[Kabal]

(01-20-2014 02:30 AM)Afarang Wrote:  

What district did you stay in HCM? and which one did you prefer

By his mentioning of Skybar, Lush, Apocalypse Now, and Viacom Mall (which is two malls, actually), I imagine he stayed in District I--which is where I stayed, as well, previously--and is where I would recommend.

Best combination of poshness, nightlife, restaurants, and day-gaming opportunities compared to other districts.

[draguer]

(01-20-2014 02:30 AM)Afarang Wrote:  

few questions

Do they offer bottle service? if so how much for a bottle 1litre of Vodka/Whiskey.

What district did you stay in HCM? and which one did you prefer

I remember they had it at the sailing club, it was like 100usd for 1L of vodka so not cheap but there are way cheaper options with more bang for your buck. It's more of a status thing. Some of the other places may have had it but I wasn't paying attention.

Correct I was in district one. All the places I've mentioned are within ten min by cab of each other (taxis are crazy cheap). District one is very comfortable, many of the main tourist sites are here as well as many eating and drinking options. Outside of district one it becomes much poorer and the level of English isn't as good. If you want a more 'authentic' experience it might be worth venturing out but as I only had four nights in Saigon (one of which after a long journey from nz) I had enough in district one to keep me occupied, apart from day trips out to see the war tunnels and floating market.

[Global_Cocksman]

Thanks for the sheet. Looks like Vietnam is slowly modernizing/rising up. I wonder what it'll be like in a few decades.

How were the girls in Saigon and some other big cities, generally. Like light skinned Chinese? Any stunners walking around, or were they mostly 5-6s? And did you get that conservative vibe, or did they seem DTF? Sounds like hotel cockblocking would be a big problem.

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[expectation]

Hotel cockblocking can be solved by hitting up a love hotel (small/medium size hotels that gives you an option of staying by hours or overnight) or by bribing. If a staff is making a quip, just slip him an extra 100/200k and he'll say OKAY! GO. Like most of Asia, they speak money-nese there.

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How were the girls in Saigon and some other big cities, generally. Like light skinned Chinese? Any stunners walking around, or were they mostly 5-6s? And did you get that conservative vibe, or did they seem DTF? Sounds like hotel cockblocking would be a big problem.

One district in Saigon (Dist 5. / Cho Lon) used to be a remote village for Chinese families that escaped whenever there was a dynasty change in China since the 1500s, so most Vietnamese in Saigon have some sort of Chinese gene within them. I'd describe them as Southern Chinese looking except with slightly more rounded eyes naturally. Lighter skin is the standard of beauty here though you'll find some that are just dark by nature.

Some talent: (disclaimer: 2nd photo is misleading - it's rare that you find a Vietnamese with an ass like that.)

[Innuendo]

Good report. I was in all these places + Hue & Hanoi last year.
I really liked Mui Ne, very cool spot though not necessarily for gaming

[Quintus Curtius]

Of all the Southeast Asians, Vietnamese girls seem to have the best faces and bodies. Just my preference. I want that flag, big time...the ones here in the States I've seen have left me with a very positive impression.

Great write-up, Draguer.

[M-Chill]

Good post and pretty spot on with the exception of Lush. Lots of Expats there on Tue (lady's night), & Fri/Sat. If the girl is over a 7.15 and open for a chat though - 50/50 chance shes a prostitute.

For experts, Vietnam is where its at:

[Enigma]

What are the prices for accommodations like in HCM? Higher or lower than other SEA cities?

[runcible]

Hey great write-up. I'm going to be in Ho Chi Minh for a week in early March and am looking to get my vietnamese flag (hopefully) during my time there. What would be the easiest way of doing so for an american born chinese? I'm 6'0, slight above average in the looks department. Thanks!

[Kabal]

(01-20-2014 01:58 PM)runcible Wrote:  

Hey great write-up. I'm going to be in Ho Chi Minh for a week in early March and am looking to get my vietnamese flag (hopefully) during my time there. What would be the easiest way of doing so for an american born chinese? I'm 6'0, slight above average in the looks department. Thanks!

A week should be enough.

Pipeline and/or day-game the girls that work in shops at the Viacoms--the latter will have better English skills. For pipeline dates, hopefully your body language is solid, because you will be grinding out some conversations, as discussed in my thread I linked above, which contains an overview of my experience last year.

Vietnam is relatively conservative and English levels are low, so it's harder to get traction at night game.

Vietnamese girls are relatively averse to foreigners compared to the rest of SEA, but you being ABC could cancel that out and/or even turn it into a plus.

[draguer]

Vietnamese girls are my favourite in SEA. As has been mentioned there is a heavy Chinese influence which means the girls in the city are on average lighter skinned compared to what you'll find in Thailand, Malaysia or Cambodia. They normally have a petite, slim frame and take care of themselves and dress well. They tend to be not very curvy (in the traditonal non-hijacked meaning of the word) though so if you like tits and ass it wouldn't be the best place.

Prices are similar to Bangkok if not a bit cheaper. 20USD (or cheaper if you looked hard enough) for a comfortable private room, 4USD for a good meal with meat and vegetables, 30-50c for a beer.

[expectation]

(01-20-2014 01:58 PM)runcible Wrote:  

Hey great write-up. I'm going to be in Ho Chi Minh for a week in early March and am looking to get my vietnamese flag (hopefully) during my time there. What would be the easiest way of doing so for an american born chinese? I'm 6'0, slight above average in the looks department. Thanks!

You should kill it over there as an ABC - even more so if you have a Viet Kieu rolling with you teaching you what's up. If you're going with a group, I recommend you getting a table over at Sin lounge around the Japanese quarters. That's where the Vietnamese celebs tend to chill at.

[TripleG]

Wow..."So 5 makeouts, 2 bangs and I went out 6 times "...so that equals 33% ONS ratio for every night you went out plus you claim to have banged a 9 all while traveling with your parents and not speaking the language! You are either bullshitting us or you got some mad alpha game and good looks. So if it is the game can you please enlighten us about it some more? What type of approach did you use to get that Russian 9 and thus distract all the other cock-blockers/tourists around?

[draguer]

(01-21-2014 08:48 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Wow..."So 5 makeouts, 2 bangs and I went out 6 times "...so that equals 33% ONS ratio for every night you went out plus you claim to have banged a 9 all while traveling with your parents and not speaking the language! You are either bullshitting us or you got some mad alpha game and good looks. So if it is the game can you please enlighten us about it some more? What type of approach did you use to get that Russian 9 and thus distract all the other cock-blockers/tourists around?

The Russian girl went down like this:

I had opened her friend earlier by accidentally nearly drinking her drink and got a good vibe going despite her limited English and my non-existant Russian. She later told me she had a boyfriend and became less fun. At about 2 am when she told me this, her friend (the 9) came to talk to her. I talked to her and quickly hit off a good vibe. We had only been talking for five minutes when the first girl told the 9 they were leaving "let's go". The 9 said "no its ok I'll stay with him" which I knew was a good sign. I was drunk and on a good state from having had fun with other people earlier, and found it easy to make her laugh and connect quickly (her English was much better than the first girl). I went to kiss her not long after her friends left, she turned away but I tried again not long after and she threw herself into it. After that I ran usual escalation for an hour before we went back to her hotel.

Approach (at the risk of souding arrogant):

I am 6'1, athletically built and was dressed better in custom fit clothes than 90% of the bar. I didn't really experience any cockblocking and alot of the tourists either had bad game or were too drunk. I would say I am handsome and have been asked numerous times if I am a model.
During the last three years of my university studies I have worked in a job where I might have 50 face to face conversations with different people each time I work- generally I am good at talking to people.
I have been going out a lot since I was 16 and have been learning game for several years. I have travelled independently internationally since I was 20 and have strong inner game.
Being from NZ may have given me an exotic factor and I got the impression that some of the Russian girls were happy to experience something different from Russian men, who can be boorish. When I said 'spaceba' (thank you) she told me not to.
As I said above I had been having a great time before I met her and was in a great state.

I'm at work so can't go into greater detail about my game right now but hopefully that gives some idea.

[WanderingSoul]

(01-21-2014 08:48 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Wow..."So 5 makeouts, 2 bangs and I went out 6 times "...so that equals 33% ONS ratio for every night you went out plus you claim to have banged a 9 all while traveling with your parents and not speaking the language! You are either bullshitting us or you got some mad alpha game and good looks. So if it is the game can you please enlighten us about it some more? What type of approach did you use to get that Russian 9 and thus distract all the other cock-blockers/tourists around?

Is a 33% snl rate really that unbelievable? The actual rating of a 9 is always debatable, but getting laid twice in 6 nights out isn't that hard to believe.

It sounds like you haven't gotten much pussy in your life, so you can't fathom the possibility that some people don't have to struggle for pussy.

[draguer]

Agreed. Bring some value before you burst in accusing me of "bullshitting" with numbers that many guys on here wouldn't blink at.

[HankRearden]

Haha, loving the above banter! Shame you didn't make it to Hanoi dude, the Hanoi Backpackers Bar Crawl is easy hunting ground. I was in Nha Trang for Halloween and did decently well at Why Not Bar, but it got pretty sketchy at times; that's definitely a good observation.

Hoi An is supposed to have a good night life but I found it to be mediocre. Smart call on skipping that as well.

[draguer]

Thanks brother. I might look to get to Hanoi at a similar time next year, maybe back to Hoi An for some more clothes too! Too many different places I wanna go to though so we'll see.