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12-24-2013, 04:52 AM
Here is the thing...a 40-50 year old woman who is attractive thanks to facebook and whatnot, has nearly just as many orbiters as a hot 24 year old (although she will have more older orbiters). A man of that age of similar looks does not get nearly as much attention from younger women unless he's very high-status as well. It's addressed in the "Myth of Male Power", which was written long before the facebook era.
The situation really is that bad in America with all the fat/unnattractive women, and the ratios are close to China when you factor in the fat women or ghetto women with multiple "baby daddy's".
If we are talking dating value the above is correct as it's all about supply and demand. An above average looking older woman still has high dating value compared to an above average older looking man who does not.
The ratios in the west are terrible, there are simply not enough attractive women to go around at all ages, this is just one of the many reasons causing massive woman inflation.
Men in my opinion age better in terms of looks generally and are usually more at ease with themselves as they get older.
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12-24-2013, 05:31 AM
Quote: (12-24-2013 05:13 AM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:
Have you considered TRT and HGH ? Why wouldn't you do botox and a little surgery?
I'm not ruling out TRT or HGH, I doubt I'll ever go under the knife or get injections of a paralyzing toxin. Right now it's more important to me to rely on natural things like exercise and diet.
I don't want to go down some Dorian Gray road of desperation. It's a style and old school ethical thing. At some point I'll cash in and go into a LTR with a suitably younger and adoring woman, with legal caveats and protections, of course.
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12-24-2013, 06:06 AM
Quote: (12-24-2013 04:48 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:
Quote: (12-24-2013 03:57 AM)la_mode Wrote:
from having basically specialized in the cougar market (writing a book on it)
Let us know when you're finished. If anything, I think it'd be an entertaining read. I don't mind rolling around with a cougar from time to time - scratchmarks and all.
Chapter 1 - they all like the twilight saga.
I don't mind it, but they're typically obsessed with it.
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12-24-2013, 09:38 AM
Quote: (12-24-2013 08:39 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Is this a game board or men's rights advocacy community?
Exactly. La Mode is right. You see plenty of MILFs running around, but relatively more guys lose their way as they age (they bald, get a gut, lose their vigor, etc). Plenty of MILFs in yoga studios and pilates rooms, but not as many men workout as they age from what I've seen. The ones that do are ahead of the game. I think I mentioned the time I was in New Orleans and LL Cool J came into my VIP section and took all the girls. That guy is not only murdering the game among his age group, but above ALL age groups. If you're in your 40s and have a good physique that's already top 1% in your age category, but with money and/or fame on top of that, nothing can stop you.
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12-24-2013, 09:42 AM
White guys don't have an expiration date.
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12-24-2013, 10:50 AM
roosh wrote an article relating this topic...does anyone remember it?(if so,please post the link
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12-24-2013, 11:00 AM
Men with solid game are wall proof but for men the real wall is....death.
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12-24-2013, 12:53 PM
Thank you Kingsley! Better than I could have said it.
Ian McKellen age dudes can still pull. Are 18 year olds lining up to suck Magneto's dick? No. But could he go to comic con and get it inside of some Rogue cosplayer? Mos def.
A non famous, non rich guy can use his knowledge of women's father complexes to play on her insecurity and then get up in some snatch.
Do you naysayers understand that women's fucking decisions are not hinged 100% on our physical attractiveness vis a vis youth?
And if you open the floodgates to include chicks outside of 18-23 bracket...
I love how you guys are admiring the craftsmanship of the steel bars that keep you trapped in your cage.
Buncha Godamn romantics pining for their blue pill days of old.
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12-24-2013, 02:07 PM
Quote: (12-24-2013 12:03 AM)Tytalus Wrote:
Ok. Lets be honest here guys. Men age like fine wine sure - but at some point they turn into a creepy old man. What is this point?
I don't mean this question as an attack on old men. Clearly to me, the wall is some point in the late 60s, 70s. Perhaps when too much frame is lost from health problems and the mind going. I was curious what other guys here think.
There is nothing "creepy" about an old man. Not even crazy grandpa who stars in the greatest Christmas Eve movie scene of all time:
same old shit, sixes and sevens Shaft...
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12-24-2013, 03:34 PM
@WIA- there is a natural wall. Sans drugs, surgery and extenuating circumstances you stop being seen as a man and more as "grandpa". Everybodys genetics are different, but it hits sometime. Whether its 60 or 75. Physical limitations exist as well. What if you can't smash....
WIA- For most of men, our time being masters of our own fate, kings in our own castles is short. Even those of us in the game will eventually succumb to ease of servitude rather than deal with the malaise of solitude
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12-24-2013, 04:09 PM
Here's the essential thing to understand about male and female SMV in regards to aging: men will always come out ahead at the high end (say the top 10%), while women can come out ahead just by being above average (say top 30%).
It's a myth that any guy can start slaying higher quality pussy in his 30s and 40s. It's only the guys who are the elite for that age bracket that have a higher relative SMV than an attractive woman in the same age range. Your random 40 year old schlub, herby, middle class, divorced father of two still has a lower SMV than a 40 year old MILF with a tight body and a nice pair of fake tits. The MILF can choose between getting banged out by horny 25 year olds or can get easily wifed up by a 60+ provider man. The 40 year old herb's only option is to settle for a low SMV chick looking for a beta provider.
Contrast that with a hypothetical 40 year old player who has worked to achieve a solid lifestyle. He's in great shape, well-traveled, financially solid, well-dressed, connected/high status in his cities of choice, and experienced with women. He will be appealing to a huge number of women aged 20-40 and can basically take his pick of women in their prime, either for flings or LTRs.
The 40 year old MILF still has options, but they aren't as good as the high-end 40 year old man. She will not be able to land the most desirable men like she could when she was 20-25. But she will still have an easier time than the 40 year old beta herb. And at the very bottom of the totem pole are the women who have hit the wall and let themselves go. They will be lucky to latch on to beta provider.
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12-24-2013, 04:13 PM
Men:
1st wall (middle age wall):40s
2nd wall (granpa wall):60s
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12-24-2013, 05:48 PM
A man can hit the metaphorical wall at any time. Think about it. There are "men"in there 20's out there that are fat, uneducated slobs and they don't mind one bit.
We can hit the wall at any point, it is up to YOU when YOU either hit the wall or are smart enough to delay it.
The only thing that will make me hit the wall is death.
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12-24-2013, 06:23 PM
Men hit the wall when they decide to.
Follow me for a minute...
If a man keeps himself in shape, juices, maybe adds some supplements to his diet etc, then he can age well. Ex: Sylvester Stallone, Hugh Hefner.
Now what do all of these old guys have in common, or any older man you know who looks good?
Money.
The older we get, the more important money gets, also because it's needed in order to live healthy.
When will I hit the wall?
When I decide. I'll be thirty years old next year and I can feel a shift from eating whatever I want etc, to focusing on health. Other than that though I feel as young as when I was 22yo.
Lastly, I've got friends who are older men 55+ who regularly pull hot sluts in there 20's. How do they do this?
By having money + game. These girls are not escorts, but the men show them a good time ex. $5,000 table at a hot club, trips with them to Aspen etc. These cats have game too, but make no mistake their money is definitely more of their game as they've aged.
If an old cat is 55yo and working as the WalMart greeter, is he really going to be pulling 22yo tight sluts on the regular?
Now what if an old cat is 55yo, suited up, and has his personal driver drop him and his date off at the hottest NYC Fashion Show Party, walk in and get seated on the front row?
Get my drift? Lifestyle becomes more important as we age and those who cannot provide it for the younger sluts will be left with 45yo OkShrimp women.
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12-24-2013, 06:30 PM
Men hit the wall when Mr Softee makes his appearance. When you start to need Viagra.
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12-24-2013, 07:34 PM
The average guy probably peaks in senior high/ college, guys who pull hot under 25 yo past 35 are uncommon. After all if youre 35, out of shape, stressed out and unsociable, you probably view being 21 and banging a few girls at parties as your heyday. When youre young (unless youre really fucked up) youll probay be in ok shape and not have to much to worry about. A lot of guys (this has happened to a few of my friends brothers) hit the wall as soon as they have to fend for themselves.
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12-24-2013, 08:35 PM
Unless you're some natural stud who gets pussy at age twelve, you're born on the other side of the wall that women hit. You spend the rest of your life climbing over it.
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12-24-2013, 09:43 PM