Indian female journalist trolls Indian actress
12-04-2013, 11:55 AM
Thanks Quintus, appreciate the feedback! I'll definitely check out Clay Sanskrit Library. Since it seems forum members are a bit curious about how Indian people work (rape/princess issue, etc.), I'll try give my input in several posts. Skip whatever you like.
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The entire rape thing/India being sexist vs. princess complex: what augen sehen said is relatively true. Understand I might be wrong, as I've said India is complex and I'm still trying to fully appreciate exactly what's going on:
It's getting hard to make a clear distinction, but from what I can tell:
yes, the well-educated/rich will treat their daughters like royalty. It is effectively the well-educated or hard-working or rich (or combination) Indians you see in the Western world: these people have the opportunities to get to the US and the UK. Even if they're IRTs. Something pretty funny I noticed: the vast majority of Hindus in the US are Brahmin (highest caste, priest caste --> educated). Makes sense. You know, I'm still not 100% sure why the dads pamper the daughters so fucking much. I believe it does have to do with the fact that there is a significant amount of respect of women (especially mothers) in Indian society. This may sound weird considering all the rape, but for example Raksha Bandhan/Rakhi is a very popular Indian holiday where:
the sister ties a piece of string around the brother's wrist and in return the brother promises to protect the sister and gives her money/chocolates. An Indian girl's biggest white knight will always be her brother...he will fucking hate you just for staring at her. I've seen guys become the biggest bitches trying to defend their sisters, even if they know their sisters did something fucked up. Moms - India is known as Bharath matha (mother India), cows are sometimes referred to as moms as well (as they provide milk), dudes in Bollywood movies always say: 'If I don't beat your ass today, I didn't drink my mom's milk.' A lot of popular Bollywood movies have their main heroes revenge their moms' death.
Anyway, on the other end, you have people that live in worse conditions than the Middle-Ages. Extremely poor, can't read, really no future. Only thing they have to hold on is their community. Hence why even with poorer Indians, status matters. This is also why caste system is so notoriously hard to get rid of. Your caste is effectively your community and safety net. Very entrenched in their thinking. And I can't blame them that much, shit they can't read. How are they really suppose to get enlighten? Go online and get on RVF? Not happening. Anyway, with these people, daughters get married off, while sons take over what dad does and takes care of the parents. Having a son is a status symbol (like serious, what else of value are they going to have?). So key thing here: even these extremely poor Indians care about women, BUT only for their moms or wives. As moms/wives can provide sons. Think about it, you're super poor, can barely feed yourself and you're suppose to take care of a daughter for 14-18 years so you can give her to some other family. On top of that, in a lot of places dowry still exists: i.e. you have to pay a family to take your daughter (supposedly to financially support her). Is it a surprise Haryana has about 750 girls for every 1000 boys (what the Bollywood actress in the clip Roosh posted was talking about - foeticide)?
So looking at that type of society: what happens when a girl gets raped? Say she doesn't tell anyone...rapist gets away. Say she does tell, then:
1. her reputation is ruined so no dude is going to marry her...dad's never going to get rid of her and will have to pay for her living cost for the rest of his life --- very high incentive to never tell anyone you got raped. The cruel irony here is that by telling you got raped you ruin your life.
2. the question then arises: why were you raped? What did you do to get raped? In India, police officers will literally tell you its your fault, even if you're a 13 year old girl. Unlike in the West, rape brings stigma to the victim, not the supposed perpetrator. The perpetrator is a guy, which means he needs to carry his family lineage and work, so a lot of pressure on women to prove rape actually happened as a family is not going to let perhaps their sole breadwinner take a fall because some bimbo regretting her actions.
It's funny. In the West, if a woman accused a guy of rape, he is ostracized and she is hailed as a courageous person coming forth under tremendous mental agony. In India, it's the other way around. That's why I feel disgust for women in the US who falsely accuse men of rape, they have no idea how their lives would get crushed in India if they did that.
Now I don't know if rape rates have increased recently in India or if it's more media attention, but nevertheless I hope members here can appreciate why a real rape culture (unlike the supposed one feminists proclaim exist in the West) can persist.
That said, I have another theory that could explain the sudden explosion in rapes in India (and it's not mutually exclusive with the above one):
Indian society is changing faster than people can grasp. The middle-class is growing and becoming more affluent. Although social mobility is still hard, it is not impossible anymore. Society at large is becoming more liberal...as a poster mentioned in this thread, women in Mumbai are actually trying to look pretty, bar scene is exploding.
Bollywood...is the epitome of it in my opinion. As Bojangles stated, two decades ago that video with the 'raunchy' dancing in the rain caused an outrage. Now: there's literally tons and tons of movies coming out with sex themes. One of the most popular ones, called Murder, had nudity (no boobs, but bare shoulders, exposed skins, almost nudity sex scenes,...). I think we're pretty close to finally seeing a Bollywood movies with tits. My money is on Sherlyn Chopra, I think she outdoes Mallika Sherawat as a whore.
At the same, a lot of the really poor are moving into the cities as the Indian economy is booming...in the cities (not the rural areas). People go where work is, similar to Industrial Revolution in Europe. But these really poor people are still stuck in their ways. And what do these people see in movies (even Hollywood movies that are dubbed): women acting very promiscuously.
So these guys are living in the city and nowadays there's tons more girls dressing up in more revealing clothes and lower cuts, etc. What are these guys going to think? 'Damn, these girls are clearly promiscuous.' (most of them probably are, but with people of their own caste/class, they wouldn't be caught banging an illiterate dude from the village --- remember, image is everything here).
Guys get a bit drunk or smoke a bit (if there's one thing impoverished people seem to love, it's alcohol, no matter where they are). Now you have the combination of the following:
- A bit of a buzz
- Some oldskool ideas about women (mom/wive/sister awesome --- every other girl potential whore)
- Some serious thirst from watching bollywood and hollywood softcore porn
So...honestly, is rape really that surprising now? As a last though on this particular post: the New Delhi bus gang rape:
- main perpetrators were two brothers who lived in the slums (google Indian slums if you need convincing of what this implies)
- both were drinking and smoking
- girl wasn't a princess (she actually did come from lower/lower-middle class), but she was getting educated at the college level and that particular night she was out with a guy friend to watch a movie --- what would the main perpetrators think of an a guy and girl hanging out while not being related?You guessed it: "she's a fucking slut and loves the dick (confirming their whore hypothesis)."