Reading this forum makes me look at day to day things from a different perspective sometimes and I recently realized that something I've done in the past, from a professional standpoint can be better organized to make very strong game. This is long, but it should be worthwhile.
Guys are often saying that it's difficult to get HB8+ girls or girls with high social value. That's probably true because as soon as girls leave home and enter the real world, as the weaker sex, most of them want security. They also want to limit the amount of risk in their life. There are some who don't, but everybody can probably remember a 26+ yo who tells her about her wild days of the past and how they are over now. Too many horror stories, close calls, bad experiences, friends saying "why you with him girl?". Now she wants to limit her risk too.
HB8+ or girls with high social value (e.g. a Paris Hilton, or a Chelsea Clinton) often have so many acceptable guys to choose from work, school, social circle, etc that they don't want or need to take any risk at all with an unknown quantity. They already have pretty good access to the kinds of guys they want to meet. If a random guy meets a high value girl in a club, it's more risky for her than the known quantities she already has lighting up her phone every week. Meet her in day game? Risky. Maybe you can get the number (like that guy in the book 'The Game' got Paris Hilton's number) but will she follow up? Difficult at best. So the high value girls want to limit their risk and going for guys who are a known quantity is part of this. A girl who's a 5 or 6 doesn't have so many acceptable options, and even if she does, she's not sure the guy she wants will choose her, so she's got to take more risk and is open to meeting unknown quantities.
So for guys, the challenge is to limit the perceived risk and make yourself a higher value man. Everybody has a different potential for this. Not everybody will be able to roll with Ivanka Trump, but everybody can increase their value and make their social risk essentially zero for a certain group of girls. For older guys who want to roll with young HBs this is probably the best method and all of the elements are in your favor.
To do this, you just need to have, or create a business that allows you to hire, or to work with the kind of girls you would like to meet. The position should require a face to face meeting. Run some ads, select your candidates and meet them. This will work best if you propose a business partnership or your position is a freelance job or a one time shot (entertainment or creative field) that way the candidates are not deciding whether to take your job vs another and they regularly need new gigs anyway. To be successful, you won't be able to fake it, you'll have to know what you're talking about. Girls are sharp, and when they go to a casting (for models or actresses) or an interview, their bullshit meter is on high alert and they are looking out for sexual harassment or charlatans.
One example for guys here could be: Make a series of YouTube pick-up videos. You are the pickup artist and you need some actresses to be your target(s). You place an ad in any place where actresses are looking for jobs or at the local university drama school, they reply to you, you make a short list, you do a casting and then you're set. You need to be credible, so look the part. You'll quickly see that even for the same job, the candidates fall into certain groups. Actresses and models can be rich girls, artistes, wannabees or real professionals. A lot know each other, so don't make any moves on them. If everything looks 100% serious, they will let you know they are available. If they don't, improve your presentation, rinse and repeat. If you are not a naturally confidence inspiring guy, you'll need an assistant or a "middle man". This is a girl who is the first point of contact for your candidates. If she stands out in some way, this will reinforce your character and girls will be more likely to try to learn more about you and maybe more likely to want to stay in contact.
Where you advertise is also important. Craigslist is not going to get you the same kind of results or give you the same value as if you advertise in something like a Variety magazine. Once in a Tier 1 city I had to find an actress for a video and I wasn't getting a high enough caliber from this magazine that starlettes used to find jobs. So I ran an expensive ad in a newspaper that a lot of TV productions advertised in. A DJ on the top dance radio station picked up the paper and said looking for jobs? Here are a couple of interesting ones. Then he read my ad on the radio. So some girls decided this was a huge production and they told me about that radio thing when they arrived. Of course that creates much higher value.
How well does it work? In general, I've found that depending on the location, for a creative field of work, between 10% - 40% of the girls who see you as having expertise in their chosen field want to meet socially. Maybe they want to stay friends so you will consider them for another job, maybe they want to go out for drinks, maybe they want a relationship. All of these are useful, if you have a Tier I HB who obviously is only in for friends or professional reasons, just take her everywhere with you and she will attract the other Tier I HBs and maybe make you part of her circle, which is where you want to be.
It doesn't matter where you are, LA, New York, EE, etc. In every situation like this, I've had a surprising percentage of girls make it clear they want to meet again socially. The available girls will want to make sure you know they are interested in you by asking personal questions, or by using tricks girls use to tip you off that she is available. You'll also know that some have ZERO interest. Of the group who is open and available about 25% have proposed me something directly. One was a Swiss girl in the rich girl category, who had traveled two hours to get to the casting. She happened to be the last one. She said, how many more girls are you interviewing? I told her she was the last, and she said, "OK, do you want to go for a coffee"? I said OK. So we were talking and I said, I don't know who I will choose yet, blah blah blah. She said, I don't care if you hire me. Just come visit me! Then she insisted on paying. Another, I ran into on the street about a month after we met, she said, "I'm new here and I don't know anybody, do you want to go out with me"? Then working on a more PR oriented job for somebody who had an agent, after the meeting the agent gave me her personal number and said, "you should call her". So HBs can use a middle man too.
A lot of girls are getting into all of their relationships this way, and they know they won't get every job, but they will try to get any guy who is interesting to them. After you meet a couple of these, you'll find that most of them are never going anyplace that you would be likely to meet them. You'll also probably start to think of some cases where an average looking guy had an ultra hot babe and they just seemed right together and that this must be how a lot of these "mismatches" happen. In fact, they're not really mismatches. The couple has common interests and the girl is getting security with a guy she met with little risk while the successful, risk-taking guy gets a hotter girl than he could get otherwise. No guts, no glory.
Guys are often saying that it's difficult to get HB8+ girls or girls with high social value. That's probably true because as soon as girls leave home and enter the real world, as the weaker sex, most of them want security. They also want to limit the amount of risk in their life. There are some who don't, but everybody can probably remember a 26+ yo who tells her about her wild days of the past and how they are over now. Too many horror stories, close calls, bad experiences, friends saying "why you with him girl?". Now she wants to limit her risk too.
HB8+ or girls with high social value (e.g. a Paris Hilton, or a Chelsea Clinton) often have so many acceptable guys to choose from work, school, social circle, etc that they don't want or need to take any risk at all with an unknown quantity. They already have pretty good access to the kinds of guys they want to meet. If a random guy meets a high value girl in a club, it's more risky for her than the known quantities she already has lighting up her phone every week. Meet her in day game? Risky. Maybe you can get the number (like that guy in the book 'The Game' got Paris Hilton's number) but will she follow up? Difficult at best. So the high value girls want to limit their risk and going for guys who are a known quantity is part of this. A girl who's a 5 or 6 doesn't have so many acceptable options, and even if she does, she's not sure the guy she wants will choose her, so she's got to take more risk and is open to meeting unknown quantities.
So for guys, the challenge is to limit the perceived risk and make yourself a higher value man. Everybody has a different potential for this. Not everybody will be able to roll with Ivanka Trump, but everybody can increase their value and make their social risk essentially zero for a certain group of girls. For older guys who want to roll with young HBs this is probably the best method and all of the elements are in your favor.
To do this, you just need to have, or create a business that allows you to hire, or to work with the kind of girls you would like to meet. The position should require a face to face meeting. Run some ads, select your candidates and meet them. This will work best if you propose a business partnership or your position is a freelance job or a one time shot (entertainment or creative field) that way the candidates are not deciding whether to take your job vs another and they regularly need new gigs anyway. To be successful, you won't be able to fake it, you'll have to know what you're talking about. Girls are sharp, and when they go to a casting (for models or actresses) or an interview, their bullshit meter is on high alert and they are looking out for sexual harassment or charlatans.
One example for guys here could be: Make a series of YouTube pick-up videos. You are the pickup artist and you need some actresses to be your target(s). You place an ad in any place where actresses are looking for jobs or at the local university drama school, they reply to you, you make a short list, you do a casting and then you're set. You need to be credible, so look the part. You'll quickly see that even for the same job, the candidates fall into certain groups. Actresses and models can be rich girls, artistes, wannabees or real professionals. A lot know each other, so don't make any moves on them. If everything looks 100% serious, they will let you know they are available. If they don't, improve your presentation, rinse and repeat. If you are not a naturally confidence inspiring guy, you'll need an assistant or a "middle man". This is a girl who is the first point of contact for your candidates. If she stands out in some way, this will reinforce your character and girls will be more likely to try to learn more about you and maybe more likely to want to stay in contact.
Where you advertise is also important. Craigslist is not going to get you the same kind of results or give you the same value as if you advertise in something like a Variety magazine. Once in a Tier 1 city I had to find an actress for a video and I wasn't getting a high enough caliber from this magazine that starlettes used to find jobs. So I ran an expensive ad in a newspaper that a lot of TV productions advertised in. A DJ on the top dance radio station picked up the paper and said looking for jobs? Here are a couple of interesting ones. Then he read my ad on the radio. So some girls decided this was a huge production and they told me about that radio thing when they arrived. Of course that creates much higher value.
How well does it work? In general, I've found that depending on the location, for a creative field of work, between 10% - 40% of the girls who see you as having expertise in their chosen field want to meet socially. Maybe they want to stay friends so you will consider them for another job, maybe they want to go out for drinks, maybe they want a relationship. All of these are useful, if you have a Tier I HB who obviously is only in for friends or professional reasons, just take her everywhere with you and she will attract the other Tier I HBs and maybe make you part of her circle, which is where you want to be.
It doesn't matter where you are, LA, New York, EE, etc. In every situation like this, I've had a surprising percentage of girls make it clear they want to meet again socially. The available girls will want to make sure you know they are interested in you by asking personal questions, or by using tricks girls use to tip you off that she is available. You'll also know that some have ZERO interest. Of the group who is open and available about 25% have proposed me something directly. One was a Swiss girl in the rich girl category, who had traveled two hours to get to the casting. She happened to be the last one. She said, how many more girls are you interviewing? I told her she was the last, and she said, "OK, do you want to go for a coffee"? I said OK. So we were talking and I said, I don't know who I will choose yet, blah blah blah. She said, I don't care if you hire me. Just come visit me! Then she insisted on paying. Another, I ran into on the street about a month after we met, she said, "I'm new here and I don't know anybody, do you want to go out with me"? Then working on a more PR oriented job for somebody who had an agent, after the meeting the agent gave me her personal number and said, "you should call her". So HBs can use a middle man too.
A lot of girls are getting into all of their relationships this way, and they know they won't get every job, but they will try to get any guy who is interesting to them. After you meet a couple of these, you'll find that most of them are never going anyplace that you would be likely to meet them. You'll also probably start to think of some cases where an average looking guy had an ultra hot babe and they just seemed right together and that this must be how a lot of these "mismatches" happen. In fact, they're not really mismatches. The couple has common interests and the girl is getting security with a guy she met with little risk while the successful, risk-taking guy gets a hotter girl than he could get otherwise. No guts, no glory.
