[Giovonny]

(12-15-2014 02:03 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Gio, how are the reactions from the girls when they find out your real age

Some say I'm too old, some don't.

It's just that simple.

I may lose some girls that I would have gotten if I lied, but, I will also gain some girls who respect my honesty and prefer an older man.

I was just sick of lying. Lying comes from weakness and fear. I have evolved past that.

[Cheetah]

Where in Europe do teenage girls generally care less about age gaps?

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

(12-18-2014 05:32 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

Where in Europe do teenage girls generally care less about age gaps?

Generally speaking, the further east you go the less it matters.

Central Europe (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia) are good if you're in the 25-35 range. Once you're in the 36+ range you'll probably need to go to the non-Baltic FSU (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.)

Of course, YMMV. There are always going to be those girls in any place that want the mature, established gentlemen.

HSLD

[Cheetah]

(12-18-2014 05:49 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 05:32 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

Where in Europe do teenage girls generally care less about age gaps?

Generally speaking, the further east you go the less it matters.

Central Europe (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia) are good if you're in the 25-35 range. Once you're in the 36+ range you'll probably need to go to the non-Baltic FSU (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.)

Of course, YMMV. There are always going to be those girls in any place that want the mature, established gentlemen.

HSLD

How is Romania and Bulgaria?

Where in Eastern Europe can you find clubs filled with 16-20 year olds? That way it's much easier to find an abundance of 18 year olds. Many clubs unfortunately just have maybe 18-23 year olds or so with only a select few of the 18 year olds.

[CJ_W]

(11-12-2014 03:36 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Not sure what country some of you dudes are in but here in the states I feel like trying to game teenagers when in your 30's or 40's is tough business. Shit I'm in my late 20's and some girls get scared off because of an 8-9 year gap. The "creepy" factor must be a tough wall to break through I imagine.

Its funny that this happens, because if you were high on the hypergamic ladder, that wouldn't matter!

Also, there are super young women like that who like older men anyway I know a guy in his 40's who only goes after 18-22 year olds. . .with being completely honest.

Thing is, he's in shape doesn't lie about his age, and lets women know that he's not going to be a boyfriends and dates other women.

Sure he loses out on bangs but he can still build a team of regular women to call on whenever he wants.

Just gotta put in a little more work, or rather just make it part of your lifestyle.

[Cheetah]

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Thing is, he's in shape doesn't lie about his age, and lets women know that he's not going to be a boyfriends and dates other women.

Do you know if telling her that she only will be a side girl help or hurt his game?

[Cheetah]

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I may lose some girls that I would have gotten if I lied, but, I will also gain some girls who respect my honesty and prefer an older man.

In the end, does the new strategy of going honest make a net gain or loss? Any change in quality by using the new approach?

[Clint Barton]

I've used 28 as my age on tinder but am in my mid 30s. I always tell my real age within 30 minutes of meeting. No girl has ever balked and I've closed on some of those first dates.

Outasde of using tinder I just give my real age after a bit of playful back and forth about or ages, if they ask.

Kaizen and I went on a double date a few weeks ago. Me with my 19yo girl and him with a 22yo. Pretty awesome that we were a combined 30+ years older than these PYTs.

Btw I look years younger than my age.

[Cheetah]

^^^^

What do you answer if they ask why you lied on Tinder?

[Clint Barton]

Yeah I tell em straight up that we might have not matched if I initially put my real age. Women are OK and sometimes even prefer older men. They just don't wantto admit it or put the age range in tinder.

[OregonToSoCal]

(12-18-2014 11:30 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I've used 28 as my age on tinder but am in my mid 30s. I always tell my real age within 30 minutes of meeting. No girl has ever balked and I've closed on some of those first dates.

Outasde of using tinder I just give my real age after a bit of playful back and forth about or ages, if they ask.

Kaizen and I went on a double date a few weeks ago. Me with my 19yo girl and him with a 22yo. Pretty awesome that we were a combined 30+ years older than these PYTs.

Btw I look years younger than my age.

Have you experimented with listing your real age right in the tinder profile? I've lied about my age in the past with mixed results ranging from barely a big deal to a woman cutting off all contact with me. It would seem setting your profile to a younger age and then listing your real age gives you the best of both worlds. You show up in their searches, they see your photos and how youthful you look but they don't feel deceived and auto reject you.

[Clint Barton]

Yup. My results sucked when I put my real age on tinder. For some men this will work as they use it to screen young girls who are OK with older men.

For me putting down a fake age works better. I'm confident that once I get a young girl out that I can make things happen, since my experience and results tell me so. Average age of tinder +1s = 20.57. Max =24. Median = 20. Min=18. Mode =18. N=7.

Numbers don't lie... But women do.

(12-18-2014 12:20 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:30 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I've used 28 as my age on tinder but am in my mid 30s. I always tell my real age within 30 minutes of meeting. No girl has ever balked and I've closed on some of those first dates.

Outasde of using tinder I just give my real age after a bit of playful back and forth about or ages, if they ask.

Kaizen and I went on a double date a few weeks ago. Me with my 19yo girl and him with a 22yo. Pretty awesome that we were a combined 30+ years older than these PYTs.

Btw I look years younger than my age.

Have you experimented with listing your real age right in the tinder profile? I've lied about my age in the past with mixed results ranging from barely a big deal to a woman cutting off all contact with me. It would seem setting your profile to a younger age and then listing your real age gives you the best of both worlds. You show up in their searches, they see your photos and how youthful you look but they don't feel deceived and auto reject you.

[OregonToSoCal]

(12-18-2014 01:19 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Yup. My results sucked when I put my real age on tinder. For some men this will work as they use it to screen young girls who are OK with older men.

For me putting down a fake age works better. I'm confident that once I get a young girl out that I can make things happen, since my experience and results tell me so. Average age of tinder +1s = 20.57. Max =24. Median = 20. Min=18. Mode =18. N=7.

Numbers don't lie... But women do.

(12-18-2014 12:20 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:30 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I've used 28 as my age on tinder but am in my mid 30s. I always tell my real age within 30 minutes of meeting. No girl has ever balked and I've closed on some of those first dates.

Outasde of using tinder I just give my real age after a bit of playful back and forth about or ages, if they ask.

Kaizen and I went on a double date a few weeks ago. Me with my 19yo girl and him with a 22yo. Pretty awesome that we were a combined 30+ years older than these PYTs.

Btw I look years younger than my age.

Have you experimented with listing your real age right in the tinder profile? I've lied about my age in the past with mixed results ranging from barely a big deal to a woman cutting off all contact with me. It would seem setting your profile to a younger age and then listing your real age gives you the best of both worlds. You show up in their searches, they see your photos and how youthful you look but they don't feel deceived and auto reject you.

I may not have been clear in my original post but what I meant is having your FB set to show your age as 28 (or whatever you want to appear as) which will show on Tinder and then in the profile section you put "I'm really 35" or whatever fake and real ages you wish to show.

[Clint Barton]

I can't see how listing my real age in the "about me" would help. My goal is to meet these girls so I can hook up. I'll do everything that helps my case. Do you know how much women lie and decieve?

How much info do I need to give to a girl I've never even met to meetup? I'm just playing the age game so I can increase my chances of meeting 18-22s in the real world.

(12-18-2014 03:36 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:19 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Yup. My results sucked when I put my real age on tinder. For some men this will work as they use it to screen young girls who are OK with older men.

For me putting down a fake age works better. I'm confident that once I get a young girl out that I can make things happen, since my experience and results tell me so. Average age of tinder +1s = 20.57. Max =24. Median = 20. Min=18. Mode =18. N=7.

Numbers don't lie... But women do.

(12-18-2014 12:20 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:30 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I've used 28 as my age on tinder but am in my mid 30s. I always tell my real age within 30 minutes of meeting. No girl has ever balked and I've closed on some of those first dates.

Outasde of using tinder I just give my real age after a bit of playful back and forth about or ages, if they ask.

Kaizen and I went on a double date a few weeks ago. Me with my 19yo girl and him with a 22yo. Pretty awesome that we were a combined 30+ years older than these PYTs.

Btw I look years younger than my age.

Have you experimented with listing your real age right in the tinder profile? I've lied about my age in the past with mixed results ranging from barely a big deal to a woman cutting off all contact with me. It would seem setting your profile to a younger age and then listing your real age gives you the best of both worlds. You show up in their searches, they see your photos and how youthful you look but they don't feel deceived and auto reject you.

I may not have been clear in my original post but what I meant is having your FB set to show your age as 28 (or whatever you want to appear as) which will show on Tinder and then in the profile section you put "I'm really 35" or whatever fake and real ages you wish to show.

[Sonoma]

Come to think of it, I've fingered a ton of random girls at a place called EPR in SF. I'm not sure if all major cities have similar venues but check it out. Only downside is the poor lighting can get you girls you wouldn't normally get... From 3-9s, I'm not always certain til they turn the lights on

[Cheetah]

If you ask for the number and she says something along the lines of 'aren't you a little too old for me?', should that be treated as a shit test or just a way of stating why she isn't interested?

[Giovonny]

(12-18-2014 11:05 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 01:55 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I may lose some girls that I would have gotten if I lied, but, I will also gain some girls who respect my honesty and prefer an older man.

In the end, does the new strategy of going honest make a net gain or loss? Any change in quality by using the new approach?

I have seen a huge net gain in my own confidence, peace of mind and inner happiness.

As far as quantity of girls and quality of girls, I don't have enough data yet to be able to answer your question.

Honestly, the psycho-emotional gains I have received from being authentic outweigh any sexual gains that I may receive.

My overall emotional health is more important than my sexual health.

I think that being more authentic will bring me even more girls, in the long run.

(12-22-2014 08:59 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

'"aren't you a little too old for me?"

should that be treated as a shit test or just a way of stating why she isn't interested?

Neither.

This should be treated as flirtation.

Flirt back.

[Cheetah]

(12-22-2014 08:59 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

'"aren't you a little too old for me?"

should that be treated as a shit test or just a way of stating why she isn't interested?

Neither.

This should be treated as flirtation.

Flirt back.
[/quote]

I can't believe that I walked away from that sweet teenage girl unnecessarily.

What could be a good flirtatious reply to such a comment or should you just ignore the comment and start/continue flirting?

Also, if you go up and charm a teenage girl and she looks at you with starry eyes eager to meet up but her friend goes in full jealous (?) mode claiming that her friend is too young. Any good suggestion to this situation?

[ChiTown]

Hey fellas. I'd definitely appreciate anyone's input because this is the first time I'm going after an 18 year old. I'm 28 and usually go after chicks a bit younger or a bit older than me, so this is completely new game territory for me for a number of reasons that I'll outline below.

I'm currently visiting family in South Florida for the holidays, so logistics are the biggest factor going against me. Nevertheless, I bumped into this super tight 18 year old (Italian origin) whom I'd seen on the beach earlier today. We were both in a common area of the condo building where wifi is available. She immediately starts acting "stupid" in the IOI sense as soon as she sees me, so I approached right away. After a few minutes of banter, she tells me that she's meeting friends to play pool (also in the same building) and invites me to come along. I decline telling her that I had too much experience and didn't want to embarrass her. She laughed, and I went for the number, handing her my phone. I told her we'd hang out sometime.

I went upstairs to get a book and texted her to come back to the common area when she's bored playing pool. She texts back "lol kk" (can't figure out why the younger girls use the multiple letters for flirting). She eventually comes back but all these guys around her age whom she knows are also there.

Here's the kicker: she goes on facetime with her bf back home all the while she's talking to her friends at the same time. The whole convo seemed beta from what I could overhear. Anyways, I finish enjoying my book and go to leave a few minutes later, bumping into her once again in the hallway. She gives me a "hey there", and I tell her that I'm heading back upstairs, but we should hang out soon.

How would you guys recommend isolating her? Keep in mind that she's visiting family here, and it seems like some of these guys her age might also be acquaintances from back home but not actual friends. I'm definitely getting the vibe that she would be down but is mostly concerned with any of the information getting back to the bf. I have a vehicle, so that's not any issue either. She also asked at one point when I'm in town until, so I'm wondering if that might play a role in there being a better opportunity.

Thanks for your input, guys. I never thought gaming this age range would be such fun.

[hardman]

I would focus on building enough rapport and comfort that you can suggest a reason to go somewhere together for an afternoon. Use the fact that you have a vehicle to your advantage. Since you are visiting, maybe ask her if she can show you around town? The excuse doesn't have to be good -- if she is comfortable and interested, she'll pick up the hint when you lead. Act differently than guys her age can or would -- that's your path to taking off her panties.

[ChiTown]

(12-25-2014 01:55 AM)hardman Wrote:  

I would focus on building enough rapport and comfort that you can suggest a reason to go somewhere together for an afternoon. Use the fact that you have a vehicle to your advantage. Since you are visiting, maybe ask her if she can show you around town? The excuse doesn't have to be good -- if she is comfortable and interested, she'll pick up the hint when you lead. Act differently than guys her age can or would -- that's your path to taking off her panties.

Solid advice. The only thing is that she's also from out of town. In that sense, I should be the one taking the lead to show her around since I'm older. Because she's 18, though, my venue options are more limited.

Acting differently than guys her age is something I've definitely already capitalized on. Just from our flirting, I could tell she wasn't used to that kind of straight forward approach.

[0210]

(12-16-2014 12:29 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Some say I'm too old, some don't.

Do you notice any patterns as to which kinds of girls care about your age and which don't?

For example, do any of these factors tend to matter?
* Cultural background
* Socioeconomic background
* Where they're from
* Intelligence
* Personality type
* Major

And is the age difference a bigger deal for 18-19 year olds than for 20-22 year olds?

[Giovonny]

'"aren't you a little too old for me?"

(12-24-2014 04:36 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

What could be a good flirtatious reply to such a comment

"no" (said with a sly smirk, grin, smile, or deadpan)

"Hmmm.. I don't know" (said with a sly smirk, grin, smile, or deadpan)

"Hmmm.. I can't tell yet" (said with a smile, smirk, grin. or deadpan)

"I think its too early to tell"

"I don't know yet"

"I'm not sure, what do you think?"


What other good answers can you guys think of???

(12-24-2014 04:36 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

Also, if you go up and charm a 18+ teenage girl and she looks at you with starry eyes eager to meet up but her friend goes in full jealous mode.

Engage the friend. Chat with her, charm her.

Boldly, ask your target for her contact information. Don't be scared away by the bitchy or jealous friend. Stand tall and go for it.

[Giovonny]

(12-25-2014 12:33 AM)ChiTown Wrote:  

How would you guys recommend isolating her?

Invite her over. Take her to your room.

(12-27-2014 03:45 AM)0210 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 12:29 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Some say I'm too old, some don't.

Do you notice any patterns as to which kinds of girls care about your age and which don't?

Yes, the "Sexual Marketplace" is often reflected..

What is my value? What is her value?

Culture, socio-economics, location, looks, $$$, etc. matter. It all matters. Everything matters.

If my value is significantly higher than hers, she is less likely to care about my age.

If her value is significantly higher than mine, she is more likely to care about my age.

Generally speaking.

Game helps to me improve my value and to "appear" of higher value.

---

As far as personality type and college major..

I don't have enough data to say that any particular major likes older guys anymore than any other major.

Obviously, I do better with girls who have a personality similar to mine and who study topics of interest to me. I specifically go after these types.

(12-27-2014 03:45 AM)0210 Wrote:  

And is the age difference a bigger deal for 18-19 year olds than for 20-22 year olds?

It just depends on the girl.

Some girls have an "older man" phase.

This could happen at 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, etc.

She might be experimental at 18 and more prudish in her 20's.

We never know.

Just go for it. That is the best way to learn.

[reco2100]

(12-28-2014 05:56 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

'"aren't you a little too old for me?"

(12-24-2014 04:36 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

What could be a good flirtatious reply to such a comment

"no" (said with a sly smirk, grin, smile, or deadpan)

"Hmmm.. I don't know" (said with a sly smirk, grin, smile, or deadpan)

"Hmmm.. I can't tell yet" (said with a smile, smirk, grin. or deadpan)

"I think its too early to tell"

"I don't know yet"

"I'm not sure, what do you think?"


What other good answers can you guys think of???

(12-24-2014 04:36 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

Also, if you go up and charm a 18+ teenage girl and she looks at you with starry eyes eager to meet up but her friend goes in full jealous mode.

Engage the friend. Chat with her, charm her.

Boldly, ask your target for her contact information. Don't be scared away by the bitchy or jealous friend. Stand tall and go for it.

How about...

H
"Hmmm...are you sure you can handle an older man?" Smirk, smile

I have used this on a couple of 18 YO's and it has worked pretty well.