I created this datasheet based off of a request from the "Who is satisfied with where they live" thread. http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28826.html That being said its going to be more of a lifestyle data sheet instead of soley a list of bars to pickup girls.
I also like the layout that paninaro used for his Odessa mini data sheet and this is my first data sheet so additions are welcome http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28786.html
Introduction
Tennessee is separated into three distinct parts, as denoted by the three stars on its state flag, and each part has its own miniature capital city and geography. That being said, someone from Memphis or Nashville is not representative of residents of say, Knoxville.
I'm going to focus on the Knoxville area and exclude the far eastern tri cities.
Knoxville itself sits in a valley in the Appalachian mountains, to the north is the range containing the cumberland gap and mammoth caves national park and to the south is the great smoky mountains national park and Cherokee National Forest. I really enjoy the outdoors to this may taint my views on the place.
Weather wise, this isn't the stereotypical "south" for weather, its somewhat moderated by being at a higher elevation. Winter is mild (frost and rare snow) but is real at higher elevations. Summer is bearable, and doesn't have as many horrible ball sweat days as Memphis or Atlanta.
Logistics
Getting There
There is a regional airport just south of Knoxville (expect long cab rides) served by the usual suspects and is usually a direct flight from a hub city like atlanta, chicago, washington or minneapolis.
If you have time, its a nice drive as well. I especially advocate driving if you ride a motorcycle or sports car. South of Knoxville on the way into the great smoky mountains national park is the 'tail of the dragon' roadway which is part of US HWY 129. Its a road with constant curves and often hosts car club and motorcycle events.
This stretch of road is the most famous but most of the mountain and sideroads are challenging drives/rides are paved, winding, with no shoulder or guardrails.
Getting Connected
I use a cheap cell phone, its like anywhere else in the US I guess.
Getting Around
I've never used public transit in Knoxville and would be adverse to doing so (see Crime below). Driving is easy but we warned, there are virtually no sidewalks. It is not a pedestrian friendly place.
Day Locations
UT Campus and Football
Knoxville is home to a University of Tennessee Campus made bigger and more famous because it is home to the UT Football and Basketball team. This means that students that come here are more likely coming for the parties than they are for academics. The stadium holds 102,000 people and is a draw for the entire region for events. Its worth the time.
Downtown Market Square
Not recommended, unless you like hipsters. Downtown Knoxville seems to be a hipster refuge and contains less of the stereotypical southern girls and more imports from out of state.
Great Smoky Mountains, and surrounding towns
Tourist trap and traffic hell: avoid these places unless you are there in off season and then it is not daygame friendly as its more family oriented.
Church
As explained in the culture section, church is the social glue around these parts. They have events for everything and are overwhelmingly welcoming to guests and visitors. Pipeline early, send an email saying that you are visiting the area and you will likely find an invite to a church picnic or something like that. This requires advanced social skills and self confidence but the payoffs are amazing. (see culture section)
Eating
Prepare to get fat. Southern cooking, fast food and BBQ are the name of the game here.
Buddys
a local barbeque chain with locations around knoxville, $10 for all you can eat ribs that are pretty good in my opinion. Other places will also not dissapoint and I advocate for the small places where you can see active smoking grills in the back or parking lot.
Man Vs. Food
There was an episode filmed in Knoxville, all of the places are good but a hike/drive or in the ghetto.
Downtown the focus is mainly on irish or english style pubs.
Night Venues
I have not done much exploring of night venues but I will reference a few as samples of areas.
Whiskey Dix
classic college bar, near campus, slutty girls, cheap drinks, moderate rations. Expect yoga pants.
Boyds Jig and Reel
Irish style pub, I'm not into this setting from a game standpoint and its on the market square which I would avoid spending time at, bad for logistics.
Cotton Eye Joes
Out in the suburbs this is a warehouse sized country bar with a dance floor the size of a roller skate arena. This is where I would advocate going if you are looking for a cowboy boots and short shorts kind of girl. The target density is great with such a big place and the people by nature are friendly (I'm white so i can't speak otherwise). Two drawbacks exist though; its logistically poor so you're not going to be able to walk anyone home. The second caution...they line dance to fucking everything. Its mind boggling and so you may be in trouble if you rely on dance game.
Crime
We're #1. Tennesee has ranked #1 in violent crime per capita and the Knoxville area ranks up there for violent crime and property crime due to meth and an impoverished east side. Luckily the crime seems to be concentrated in pockets like Magnolia Ave. Hall of Fame Drive, Mechanicsville and South Knoxville. You won't be going to the rural areas trailer parks and meth labs so I'm sure you'll be ok there too. Regular street smarts will get you by.
Culture
The culture is somewhat closed, people are friendly but also with a polite distance. People that are from the area have been 'from' the area for hundreds of years with generations of family and old people who are outwardly racist and also hate 'damn yankees'
On the upside they open up quickly, especially if you can demonstrate value quickly like not being a 'damn yankee' or attending church (or at least pretending to)
There are also a number of immigrants to the area from other states. Suburban and Urban areas seem to have alot of people from the east coast who clash with the local culture. This is why I tend to avoid 'downtown' knoxville...I'm not interested in hipsters or flip flops.
In the rural areas I have run into more french canadians than I have anywhere else outside of Canada.
In rural areas and with true 'locals' church is a binding social tie. Baptist churches are everywhere and tend to be the gateway to social circles. Knowing this will help immensely if working on making friends or pipelining. No you don't have to commit to the church either, just dropping in a few sundays is enough to get you connected or to get looks from women with that 'ooh who is that new man' gaze.
Oh and last, hillbillies (aka Ali B). In rural areas its the 'real deal' this was the place they filmed that show 'moonshiners' and there are plenty of sleeveless t-shirts, dip spitters, jacked up trucks and baseball hats. They aren't cowboys, they are rednecks. The positive and negative aspects of these stereotypes are true.
Women
Looks
This area was settled by scotch irish immigrants mainly (see moonshine) with some intermarriage with cherokee indians and french settlers (there are alot of french last names). This is interesting when combined with the fact that most families have been in the area for generations. Alot of those genetics are preserved in their looks. White looking girls with high cheekbones and straight black hair have cherokee somewhere in their family and redheads abound.
Knoxville's signature redhead is Christina Hendricks of Mad men fame, and that same very irish/scottish look (without the awesome tits) is easy to find around here.
The normal 'southern blonde' is not as prevalent as say Nashville or Houston but still exists and they do take care of themselves with surgery/botox and dress well.
This picture is a good sample. There's a redhead, high cheekbone girl and 'southern' girl with blonde hair, tan and possibly fake tits. All dressed like women. Remember, this isn't LSU or 'Bama "southern" so don't expect those kind of girls.
Thats the upside, here's the downside. Its not hot girls raining from the sky like Quebec or eastern europe. There are plenty of too thin girls (think meth or too many cigarettes), massively fat women (southern food), genetic mutants (too much scottish inbreeding), east coast style hipsters etc. but I find that its very obvious. I find its as if there is no middle ground. She'll be a 4 or a 6.5.
Also to a man's advantage is are the irish genes, they tend to produce slim guys of moderate stature so if you are tall and well built you will stand out more than if you are on the jersey shore or if you're competing with norwegian and finnish giants from Minnesota.
Cost of Living
Temporary living costs are not that much different than anywhere else. Rent is what I'd expect for a 2nd tier city. Gas is priced well at about 3.15/gallon. Booze and cigarettes seem normal.
Real estate is dirt cheap though as are property taxes. 8 year old home with 3 bedrooms built in 2005, with a garage...$130,000. Property taxes...$600/year.
Impressions
This must be what its like for 2Wycked to write posts...I really enjoy the area being from much further north/midwest. There is no winter, the values are conservative, people are friendly enough and living is cheap. I also love the outdoors so that works for me. I doubt this would be a players paradise but would turn out well for daygamers and those looking to slow down a bit.
No i didn't proofread this, i did edit a broken link and video.
I also like the layout that paninaro used for his Odessa mini data sheet and this is my first data sheet so additions are welcome http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28786.html
Introduction
Tennessee is separated into three distinct parts, as denoted by the three stars on its state flag, and each part has its own miniature capital city and geography. That being said, someone from Memphis or Nashville is not representative of residents of say, Knoxville.
I'm going to focus on the Knoxville area and exclude the far eastern tri cities.
Knoxville itself sits in a valley in the Appalachian mountains, to the north is the range containing the cumberland gap and mammoth caves national park and to the south is the great smoky mountains national park and Cherokee National Forest. I really enjoy the outdoors to this may taint my views on the place.
Weather wise, this isn't the stereotypical "south" for weather, its somewhat moderated by being at a higher elevation. Winter is mild (frost and rare snow) but is real at higher elevations. Summer is bearable, and doesn't have as many horrible ball sweat days as Memphis or Atlanta.
Logistics
Getting There
There is a regional airport just south of Knoxville (expect long cab rides) served by the usual suspects and is usually a direct flight from a hub city like atlanta, chicago, washington or minneapolis.
If you have time, its a nice drive as well. I especially advocate driving if you ride a motorcycle or sports car. South of Knoxville on the way into the great smoky mountains national park is the 'tail of the dragon' roadway which is part of US HWY 129. Its a road with constant curves and often hosts car club and motorcycle events.
This stretch of road is the most famous but most of the mountain and sideroads are challenging drives/rides are paved, winding, with no shoulder or guardrails.
Getting Connected
I use a cheap cell phone, its like anywhere else in the US I guess.
Getting Around
I've never used public transit in Knoxville and would be adverse to doing so (see Crime below). Driving is easy but we warned, there are virtually no sidewalks. It is not a pedestrian friendly place.
Day Locations
UT Campus and Football
Knoxville is home to a University of Tennessee Campus made bigger and more famous because it is home to the UT Football and Basketball team. This means that students that come here are more likely coming for the parties than they are for academics. The stadium holds 102,000 people and is a draw for the entire region for events. Its worth the time.
Downtown Market Square
Not recommended, unless you like hipsters. Downtown Knoxville seems to be a hipster refuge and contains less of the stereotypical southern girls and more imports from out of state.
Great Smoky Mountains, and surrounding towns
Tourist trap and traffic hell: avoid these places unless you are there in off season and then it is not daygame friendly as its more family oriented.
Church
As explained in the culture section, church is the social glue around these parts. They have events for everything and are overwhelmingly welcoming to guests and visitors. Pipeline early, send an email saying that you are visiting the area and you will likely find an invite to a church picnic or something like that. This requires advanced social skills and self confidence but the payoffs are amazing. (see culture section)
Eating
Prepare to get fat. Southern cooking, fast food and BBQ are the name of the game here.
Buddys
a local barbeque chain with locations around knoxville, $10 for all you can eat ribs that are pretty good in my opinion. Other places will also not dissapoint and I advocate for the small places where you can see active smoking grills in the back or parking lot.
Man Vs. Food
There was an episode filmed in Knoxville, all of the places are good but a hike/drive or in the ghetto.
Downtown the focus is mainly on irish or english style pubs.
Night Venues
I have not done much exploring of night venues but I will reference a few as samples of areas.
Whiskey Dix
classic college bar, near campus, slutty girls, cheap drinks, moderate rations. Expect yoga pants.
Boyds Jig and Reel
Irish style pub, I'm not into this setting from a game standpoint and its on the market square which I would avoid spending time at, bad for logistics.
Cotton Eye Joes
Out in the suburbs this is a warehouse sized country bar with a dance floor the size of a roller skate arena. This is where I would advocate going if you are looking for a cowboy boots and short shorts kind of girl. The target density is great with such a big place and the people by nature are friendly (I'm white so i can't speak otherwise). Two drawbacks exist though; its logistically poor so you're not going to be able to walk anyone home. The second caution...they line dance to fucking everything. Its mind boggling and so you may be in trouble if you rely on dance game.
Crime
We're #1. Tennesee has ranked #1 in violent crime per capita and the Knoxville area ranks up there for violent crime and property crime due to meth and an impoverished east side. Luckily the crime seems to be concentrated in pockets like Magnolia Ave. Hall of Fame Drive, Mechanicsville and South Knoxville. You won't be going to the rural areas trailer parks and meth labs so I'm sure you'll be ok there too. Regular street smarts will get you by.
Culture
The culture is somewhat closed, people are friendly but also with a polite distance. People that are from the area have been 'from' the area for hundreds of years with generations of family and old people who are outwardly racist and also hate 'damn yankees'
On the upside they open up quickly, especially if you can demonstrate value quickly like not being a 'damn yankee' or attending church (or at least pretending to)
There are also a number of immigrants to the area from other states. Suburban and Urban areas seem to have alot of people from the east coast who clash with the local culture. This is why I tend to avoid 'downtown' knoxville...I'm not interested in hipsters or flip flops.
In the rural areas I have run into more french canadians than I have anywhere else outside of Canada.
In rural areas and with true 'locals' church is a binding social tie. Baptist churches are everywhere and tend to be the gateway to social circles. Knowing this will help immensely if working on making friends or pipelining. No you don't have to commit to the church either, just dropping in a few sundays is enough to get you connected or to get looks from women with that 'ooh who is that new man' gaze.
Oh and last, hillbillies (aka Ali B). In rural areas its the 'real deal' this was the place they filmed that show 'moonshiners' and there are plenty of sleeveless t-shirts, dip spitters, jacked up trucks and baseball hats. They aren't cowboys, they are rednecks. The positive and negative aspects of these stereotypes are true.
Women
Looks
This area was settled by scotch irish immigrants mainly (see moonshine) with some intermarriage with cherokee indians and french settlers (there are alot of french last names). This is interesting when combined with the fact that most families have been in the area for generations. Alot of those genetics are preserved in their looks. White looking girls with high cheekbones and straight black hair have cherokee somewhere in their family and redheads abound.
Knoxville's signature redhead is Christina Hendricks of Mad men fame, and that same very irish/scottish look (without the awesome tits) is easy to find around here.
The normal 'southern blonde' is not as prevalent as say Nashville or Houston but still exists and they do take care of themselves with surgery/botox and dress well.
This picture is a good sample. There's a redhead, high cheekbone girl and 'southern' girl with blonde hair, tan and possibly fake tits. All dressed like women. Remember, this isn't LSU or 'Bama "southern" so don't expect those kind of girls.
Thats the upside, here's the downside. Its not hot girls raining from the sky like Quebec or eastern europe. There are plenty of too thin girls (think meth or too many cigarettes), massively fat women (southern food), genetic mutants (too much scottish inbreeding), east coast style hipsters etc. but I find that its very obvious. I find its as if there is no middle ground. She'll be a 4 or a 6.5.
Also to a man's advantage is are the irish genes, they tend to produce slim guys of moderate stature so if you are tall and well built you will stand out more than if you are on the jersey shore or if you're competing with norwegian and finnish giants from Minnesota.
Cost of Living
Temporary living costs are not that much different than anywhere else. Rent is what I'd expect for a 2nd tier city. Gas is priced well at about 3.15/gallon. Booze and cigarettes seem normal.
Real estate is dirt cheap though as are property taxes. 8 year old home with 3 bedrooms built in 2005, with a garage...$130,000. Property taxes...$600/year.
Impressions
This must be what its like for 2Wycked to write posts...I really enjoy the area being from much further north/midwest. There is no winter, the values are conservative, people are friendly enough and living is cheap. I also love the outdoors so that works for me. I doubt this would be a players paradise but would turn out well for daygamers and those looking to slow down a bit.
No i didn't proofread this, i did edit a broken link and video.
Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV