[TheSlayer]

(09-05-2013 06:16 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

"There are no aetheist in foxholes".

A lot of truth in that statement. I wonder why?

Maybe because when humans are stressed and fearful they pray to a 'higher power' but that doesn't make the higher power any more real.

[Aliblahba]

If aetheists were red pill wouldn't they stay firm in their lack of belief?

[Teedub]

When people think they're going to die, or ARE dying, they also cry for their mothers... It's just an irrational plea for help in an absolutely awful situation.

[Que enspastic]

Why are there no atheists in foxholes?

[Teedub]

(09-05-2013 06:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

If aetheists were red pill wouldn't they stay firm in their lack of belief?

There are numerous tales of atheists staying true to their beliefs when dying. If I recall correctly, Darwin was one of them.

[TheSlayer]

(09-05-2013 06:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

If aetheists were red pill wouldn't they stay firm in their lack of belief?

I don't think anyone here has claimed that all atheists are red pill. The argument was that people belonging to organized religion are more red pill than atheists. We know that many left-wing feminist or atheist morons stand for everything we hate here. On the other hand, many religious people (left-wing or right-wing) are also white knights and maybe outside of an acceptance of more traditional households are definitely not red pill.

[Aliblahba]

Can anyone name one atheist that went to heaven?

[soup]

Relevant:

[Que enspastic]

This is like saying there are no Red pill Alphas in foxholes.

Kinda stupid argument.

[Que enspastic]

This is like the "Was that Beta?" thread.

But now... "Was that Red Pill?".

2013 has arrived. RVF is about to be turned on its head.

[Veloce]

(09-05-2013 05:39 PM)soup Wrote:  

Man, it sounds like what happens when people take E. Just because you have a feeling about something doesn't mean it is real.

That's how girls think. They feel it is real, therefore it is to them.

You're not understanding it because you're processing what I'm saying through your logic complex without any reference point in your experiences to relate. We're all able to distinguish different emotions. We know the difference between sadness, happiness, anger, boredom, excitement. A spiritual experience is often emotional for the first time; with ensuing feelings of bliss and ecstacy, but on repeat visits to "that place" the experiencer is able to move beyond the primary emotions and go through something that's much deeper and profound. It's an experience beyond simple "feelings".

Using your reasoning, I could say the same thing about nearly anything. Just because you see something, doesn't make it real. Just because you hear something, doesn't make it real.

Our experience as living beings is dependent on our ability to sense. Our realities are built upon the sensory. But at the end of all of it, it's as simple as reasoning that all experiences are subject to question given the subjective nature of the thing.

What are humans? We're just little fixed points of consciousness. Little flashlights moving through a sea of space, bumping into each other and having our own unique experiences. There is no concrete reality; only what we perceive as reality. You can call my spiritual religious experience a farce, just like I can call your daily waking life a farce. Neither matters. I can sit someone down and guide them through a meditation (and have) and give them a fairly profound experience (and have). You can call that "just feelings" too, because you're not the one experiencing it.

[Cattle Rustler]

(09-05-2013 06:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

If aetheists were red pill wouldn't they stay firm in their lack of belief?

Most do stay firm, there are some posers in any and all groups.

The same can be said for Christians...



Edit: People can't go to a place that doesn't exist. In the end most are stuck 6 feet under ground or turned to ashes and some are frozen. Can we go to candy land or Narnia?

[TheSlayer]

(09-05-2013 05:24 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

When discussing topics such as these, it's important to distinguish between "spirituality" and "organized religion".

They're completely different.

This + 100. I have nothing against spirituality but that's not the argument here. The argument is that people who belong to an organized religion are more red pill. I definitely don't believe in organized religion and their different gods.

(09-05-2013 04:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Likewise, religion is the study of a higher being that we postutlate to exist based on what others have experienced from this being, in addition to the fact that we're situation in a giant universe with insane complexity that seems like it was designed by something. God is just a term used not to describe a physical manifestation but an abstract concept of a complex phenomena.

I think Soup's rebuttal about game denialists and people who don't believe in god was spot on. That being said I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying about god being an abstract concept but that's what not what the argument is here. The argument is about organized religion and its version of 'god'. On top of that, it is not just one organized religion that we are talking about, there are many of them. I asked before and you didn't answer. I will ask again, which religion is the one true religion then. Which religion's abstract concept of god do you most agree with and why?

(09-05-2013 03:19 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

As I said in my previous post, if you do believe in God and theism, which one do you believe in (not you personally but an individual who believes in theism)? There are major religions (Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Sikhism etc.) and 100s of other religions. Which one does a person believe? Are all of them true? I would be more of a believer in God if there was just one religion and one god. What we have are many different religions and humans have gladly killed each other in the name of "god" for 1000s of years. You have been overtly critical of Islam here and I agree with every single thing you say about it. Where does that fit in if you do believe in religion? Then how can we argue that Islam isn't wrong and incompatible with the rest of the world when Muslims just say that their religion is the one true religion (and it very well maybe by your logic)

[TheSlayer]

(09-05-2013 06:29 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Can anyone name one atheist that went to heaven?

Come on, Ali.

[GameTheory]

[Aliblahba]

Feminism sides with Atheism also. Sit on that one for awhile. Feminism=Liberalism=Atheism=Democrats=Socialsim=Downfall of society

[Ziltoid]

(09-05-2013 06:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

If aetheists were red pill wouldn't they stay firm in their lack of belief?

If religious people are firm in their beliefs, then why are they just as afraid of being killed as anyone else? Shouldn't they be estatic to die, knowing that eternal splendor and a reunion with their dead loved ones is ahead of them?

Same goes for when their loved ones die. What are you crying about? They're in heaven!
What's a few decades of living without them compared to hanging out with them in heaven for all eternity?

[Teedub]

(09-05-2013 06:29 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Can anyone name one atheist that went to heaven?

Can you name one Christian that went to Valhalla? Perhaps a Muslim that was reincarnated? Or even still, a former Scientologist that flew with Tom Cruise's doppleganger ghost into Lord Xenu's mountain of vast riches?

[EisenBarde]

All of Hollywood are liberals.... until the darkies try to move in next door.

[TheSlayer]

(09-05-2013 06:44 PM)EisenBarde Wrote:  

All of Hollywood are liberals.... until the darkies try to move in next door.

What does that have to do with believing in God or not believing in organized religion and its bullshit?

[Aliblahba]

I can't argue with any of you Atheist. You are responsible for Feminism.

[Teedub]

(09-05-2013 06:40 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Feminism sides with Atheism also. Sit on that one for awhile. Feminism=Liberalism=Atheism=Democrats=Socialsim=Downfall of society

Come on dude, America's idea of socialism is so far removed from actual socialism. Look at Obama's policies, they'd be considered right-wing in any left-leaning country. ALL major western politicians fall into that top right section of the political compass test that's in a thread on the forum. Obama is about as left wing as I am a transvestite prostitute. Big business, big war...oh, but he thinks gay marriage is OK. Doesn't make him a Marxist traitor.

[Wadsworth]

I dunno, I don't think actual liberals are very common anymore. Leftists, on the other hand..

[TheSlayer]

(09-05-2013 06:40 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Feminism sides with Atheism also. Sit on that one for awhile. Feminism=Liberalism=Atheism=Democrats=Socialsim=Downfall of society

(09-05-2013 06:46 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I can't argue with any of you Atheist. You are responsible for Feminism.

Ali, on a serious note...do you believe in organized religion and a god?

[Cattle Rustler]

(09-05-2013 06:41 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

If religious people are firm in their beliefs, then why are they just as afraid of being killed as anyone else?

If religious people are firm in their beliefs, then why do they go to doctors and take medicine? Why do they need guns?

Can't prayer solve all this? I mean, they could just pray until their needs have been served. If it fails then they haven't prayed enough.