[JayJuanGee]

(08-29-2013 11:00 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

The thing that is great about salsa is you can be a fat Indian guy from London and, as long as you can dance, you will have women lined up to dance with you. I have some friends that have gone to places like Rostov and literally had women waiting in line to dance with them and they were average dancers. The women in Japan will also line up.

By the way, in this video, this guy, SuperMario, is dancing LA style on 1, and he is a world famous salsa teacher. He is known (or marketed) as the million moves man. So in that respect, he is not just any chubby guy.

http://www.salsahook.com/archive/details...-Moves-Man

SuperMario’s story shows that some male dancers can develop a talent for salsa dancing fairly quickly - though I am sure that he had spent thousands of hours developing his various techniques and personal dance style. You must admit that from the video, he is pretty smooth though, for a chubby guy? He must be at least 250 pounds.

From my knowledge of these kinds of teacher dancers, I really doubt that they are banging many of the hot chicks that they dance with - b/c they tend to get connected with a partner or a series of partners if they work circles a little better.

The extent to which these kinds of instructor dancers are banging various partners will come down to personal style because if the male dancer becomes well known in salsa circle, there will be some tension in which some women will be wanting to latch on to him for exclusivity - however, there still may be some abilities to rotate the girls in a sort of harem.

Some of the guys get to be known as players, and certainly even before he was convicted of rape, Alex Da Silva was known in the salsa scene as a player style who had a large number of "dance partners." Da Silva's case of being convicted may be a little exceptional b/c he seems to have exercised several indiscretions or maybe he just got unlucky in running the numbers and having it catch up to him and his fame. He had quite a few enemies in the salsa scene, even before he was charged. It seems, though that many guys in the salsa scene can still get away with rotating dance partners and having a player style. The girls talk so, for the salsa insider, it will not be easy to juggle in a player style.

For the person coming into salsa dance and not necessarily investing a lot into dance, and using salsa dance for game, that would NOT NECESSARILY take several years b/c the guy can use salsa dance for game while he is learning and taking lessons and accordingly be rotating girls into his learning circle and he does not need to be at a very high dance level (or popularity in the salsa scene) in order to game at the salsa clubs and to create those kinds of circles - and since the guy is learning dance, he has a legit reason to be at the various salsa clubs and to have openers to mingle with the girls.... and in my experience, there will always be some of the girls at any of the dance scenes that will be fairly receptive to some kind of hooking up... you just have to have a talent in spotting those girls.. and opening them through regular game... even though it may not always result in a SNL. Actually it seems more likely that a non-insider would be able to get more SNLs when you are less embedded in the salsa scene - and would not necessarily let the dance get in the way of game.

[StarcraftGG]

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[JayMillz]

Don't know if anyone checked out the NY Salsa Congress this past weekend. I was there on Sunday and met women from everywhere including several from Venezuela, Sweden, Canada, France, UK, Brazil, etc. A lot of hotties were in the spot.

The whole week around Labor Day is always a good time because you have women from all over the world that come to town for the Congress, and especially Brazilians because they can check out the Brazilian Day events that happen on the same block as the Congress hotel.

There is something there for every level of dance and you can take classes and workshops to network with other dancers that are also learning, which is a good way to meet women and invite them to go sightseeing, eat, drink, or to your room if you're that smooth.

[JayJuanGee]

(09-03-2013 09:00 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

Don't know if anyone checked out the NY Salsa Congress this past weekend. I was there on Sunday and met women from everywhere including several from Venezuela, Sweden, Canada, France, UK, Brazil, etc. A lot of hotties were in the spot.

The whole week around Labor Day is always a good time because you have women from all over the world that come to town for the Congress, and especially Brazilians because they can check out the Brazilian Day events that happen on the same block as the Congress hotel.

There is something there for every level of dance and you can take classes and workshops to network with other dancers that are also learning, which is a good way to meet women and invite them to go sightseeing, eat, drink, or to your room if you're that smooth.

Salsa congresses are like this all around the world, and certainly some congresses draw more international talent than others (there are several websites in which you can find when these salsa congresses are taking place). You can Google salsa congress and see that they are all over the world at different times of the year and they have various sponsors and various events surrounding them. I agree it can be a great place to meet girls, and the logistics may vary from place to place in terms of how to lead a girl out of the venue to your place. The best would be having a room in the hotel at the venue nearby the dancers, yet having a room or location in a nearby hotel could also work.

Alternatively, to the traveling dancer, if you are able to infiltrate into their circle, you could become their tour guide to the area - though many times, they may already have planned that part or already have a group that you would need to either infiltrate or break the girl away from.

[jariel]

(08-30-2013 12:48 AM)StarcraftGG Wrote:  

As for Bachata being more popular, I've noticed this as well. The guys who try to dry hump girls to bachata make me want to facepalm. To stand out, I've had success by not being one of them. My main bachata style of dance for any type of bachata music is a combination of dominican style (palm to palm both hands or alternating hands), and closed position with space between our torso and groin area, but no grinding or with chest pressed together (for the first dance at least). I try to make my dancing interesting without being a horny dog - this involves the usual dominican style hand and footwork (less turns), and moves which are not turns but move the girl all over the place - walking fowards and backwards with us both facing the same direction, walking in a circle facing each other (think several bachata back spot turns), bachata cross body, etc. Another thing I throw in is while holding her upper ribcage with both hands, manipulating her torso into snake-like movements to the music. I get lots of compliments from girls who enjoy dancing with me. After the song is over, I just start a conversation knowing that I've at least differentiated myself from the 4 horsemen of bachata:

1. entire song side to side basic man
2. over eager turn pattern man
3. dry hump man
4. completely off timing man

One day, I'll write more about salsa and bachata dancing in Cali, Colombia. I have an upcoming trip and want to gather some more data first.

You sir know you what you're talking about. People are trying to turn the dance into fucking while standing up and I'm not feeling it at all.

The best way to dance it is to feel it.

[Vaun]

(09-03-2013 09:00 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

Don't know if anyone checked out the NY Salsa Congress this past weekend. I was there on Sunday and met women from everywhere including several from Venezuela, Sweden, Canada, France, UK, Brazil, etc. A lot of hotties were in the spot.

The whole week around Labor Day is always a good time because you have women from all over the world that come to town for the Congress, and especially Brazilians because they can check out the Brazilian Day events that happen on the same block as the Congress hotel.

There is something there for every level of dance and you can take classes and workshops to network with other dancers that are also learning, which is a good way to meet women and invite them to go sightseeing, eat, drink, or to your room if you're that smooth.

this is going on my calendar for next year. at the point where I want to get into classes in NYC. Dont really care about pulling asap, but getting the skills to go out and dance with latinas. what would you recommend for serious classes in NYC? I have been to a restaurant/club that offered free salsa lessons with drinks, but I didnt really pick anything up from it.

[JayMillz]

(09-04-2013 12:05 AM)puckman Wrote:  

this is going on my calendar for next year. at the point where I want to get into classes in NYC. Dont really care about pulling asap, but getting the skills to go out and dance with latinas. what would you recommend for serious classes in NYC? I have been to a restaurant/club that offered free salsa lessons with drinks, but I didnt really pick anything up from it.

There are a lot of good teachers in NYC. You can start off with Eddie Torres in midtown and branch off from there. Eddie is old school, but everyone comes through his classes at some point and he can give you some flavor to go along with the partner work. You can always meet some girls from outside NY and or overseas taking his classes. Depending on where you live, there could be other options?

Here is a clip of Eddie doing a workshop somewhere

[JayJuanGee]

Yes: Eddie Torres is world famous, and he teaches really well.

IMHO, when you are starting out learning dance, you can really learn from anyone.

As you get more advanced in your dance skils, you will find that some instructors are better than others and some instructors actually teach badly.. and teach things that do not really work too well or bad habits...

In the beginning, you may not be able to sort the good instructors from the bad ones, but in the beginning, IMHO, it does not really matter too much.

Also, you will find the personalities of some instructors will be more compatible with yours than others, and someone like Eddie Torres, even though he is a real nice person, may not be as available to you for pointers as compared with someone who may have learned from him. As already stated, Torres has a lot of famous dancers and instructors who had learned from Torres.

[JayJuanGee]

Recently, I have been thinking about ways to better incorporate game techniques into my salsa dance interactions in order to increase notches, which may take a little bit of time... b/c I tend to have this habit of enjoying dancing so much that sometimes, I sacrifice one girl that may lead up to a potential bang and fail to follow through with women that could lead to increased notches (even if not a SNL).

For example:

Even last night I was dancing in LA with this girl, who initially I thought was Latina (I did not look closely, and I was going based on how she was dressed), and she made a comment about not being from the area and trying to follow my dance style. She was very self-deprecating and I thought that she follows pretty well (despite her comments), as compared with other girls that sometimes act as if they can follow better than they can. I asked her where she was from, and she said that she was on vacation from Germany for three weeks. She was maybe a 6.5, and maybe in her late 20s.
Germany____ seemed kind of into my dance style, and while we were dancing about the third song, I asked her about where she was from and from where she learned dance and told her that she was following my lead very well and that she was fun to dance with. I believe that we may have danced five songs total, three in the beginning and then a break and then two more. At one point, she told me that she was on vacation for three weeks but she was only in the LA area for one night. I said oh (without asking more)? There were several areas where I could have followed through, and I was having so much fun with the dance that I kind of lost track of the follow throughs.
We danced a little more, and then she went to the bathroom, and I danced with another girl. The essence of this interaction is that Germany____ left the club without my following through with her.

I could have asked her where she was staying or even found out what her plans were (for the evening or the next morning, since the club was close by to where I was staying that night)… or if she wanted to see more of LA, which I had wheels.. I thought I had her attention for several songs and I should have followed up better by asking her these various questions while I had her attention, and probably even could have bounced to the outdoor patio. I am thinking that better game would have helped the situation and may have had better results.

Another girl, J____, maybe another 6.5 in her early to mid-twenties, was a very beginner dancer, and I was dancing with her only two songs, and she was fairly self-conscious. Afterward we danced, I left her and told her that I would come back to dance with her some more. She was sitting with her friend. I did not specify when I would come back, and I then went to dance with other girls. J____ left after a few songs, and I thought that I should have followed up a little better with J_____, after maybe a couple of songs, rather than letting too much time pass.

I am working on making better calculations and communications with these girls that I meet at salsa venues, and maybe following up a little more with some of these girls while I have their attention through dance would result in an increased number of bangs (even if not SNL).

[Samseau]

(09-04-2013 06:28 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

Even last night I was dancing in LA with this girl, who initially I thought was Latina (I did not look closely, and I was going based on how she was dressed), and she made a comment about not being from the area and trying to follow my dance style. She was very self-deprecating and I thought that she follows pretty well (despite her comments), as compared with other girls that sometimes act as if they can follow better than they can. I asked her where she was from, and she said that she was on vacation from Germany for three weeks. She was maybe a 6.5, and maybe in her late 20s.
Germany____ seemed kind of into my dance style, and while we were dancing about the third song, I asked her about where she was from and from where she learned dance and told her that she was following my lead very well and that she was fun to dance with. I believe that we may have danced five songs total, three in the beginning and then a break and then two more. At one point, she told me that she was on vacation for three weeks but she was only in the LA area for one night. I said oh (without asking more)?

Dude, all you need to say is, "Wanna go grab some drinks?" If they serve alcohol there tell her you know about a better place and bounce.

From the bar, get her boozed up and make some moves. Then find an excuse to go back to your place. Ta da.

[JayJuanGee]

Dude, all you need to say is, "Wanna go grab some drinks?" If they serve alcohol there tell her you know about a better place and bounce.

From the bar, get her boozed up and make some moves. Then find an excuse to go back to your place. Ta da.
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Thanks Sam..... I may give this a shot sometime, especially, if I consider the girl to be a target, rather than just a dance partner. And, yes, both of these would have been considered targets.

Certainly, in the past, I have not used that kind of transition as part of my interaction. At least in some cases, what you are saying may be a partial solution that moves me further in a direction that will bring better results.... especially, if i have it in my head as something that i am going to say and follow through with.

I'm not sure if what your saying would have worked with either of the above two girls that I mentioned; however, i did not make any such suggestion to either of them. In this regard, the first one was by herself so your suggestion would have had a greater likelihood of success with her, and the second one was with a girlfriend, which may have caused some complications in breaking them apart....

[Doctore]

I'm an advanced level dancer in a few styles, including swing and latin. Dancing leads to pretty much 90% of my bangs. I'm a natural at dancing, even elite level international teachers / performers would notice my style and want to dance with me at some point during a social. Girls always put me on their figurative dance cards.

However, the dancing - even if you're at my level or above - only really serves as physical ice breakers and door openers. You still need to back that up with the usual good Game. Most guys in the dance scene use dancing as a buffer (see: http://therationalmale.com/2011/08/26/buffers/ ) because it's so easy to talk to and touch a girl at a dance class or social.

Dance game is basically social circle game with the entry fee being some dance skills. You don't have to be super good to get in, but you need to have rhythm and confidence with some musicality. Basic moves are all you need. Once you've learned about 15-20 moves, that's more than enough for social dancing.

Being a social circle game, you want to guard your reputation well. Never ever make it appear as if you're there for the girls (of course 100% of the guys are there for that reason), it has to be for the luuuuuuv and passion for the dance.

Bangs in the dance scene come in two categories for me: STR or LTR with the local girls, and short flings with foreign or interstate travellers. The latter are my favourites: better looking on average (esp the foreign ones), much more fun and way less BS. Quick bangs with local women can happen, but always with older women: either cougars (done it a couple of times) or bored sex-starved married women. Those troll dance scenes for young fresh dicks and they are very upfront.

Beware of similar in-your-face flirty behaviours from young girls though. They're most of the time just attention whores looking for male attention to rev them up for their BFs/FBs later that night.

Logistics for bangs: dance practice at your place or hers, hosting a travelling dancer, being hosted when you're travelling, or just plain sharing a cab or driving her home after socials / vice versa.

The problem with dance scenes in these Anglosphere countries for me is that the quality of (local) girls is decidedly average. Most are 5 or 6, and some are being invaded by fatties and oldies, with assorted feministy weirdos who are obsessed with breaking the man leads woman follows tradition. In my city, I see much better looking girls sometimes by walking right outside of the dance venue! The 5s and 6s here sometimes think they're much hotter (i.e 8 or 9), just because they can dance. Might not be worth it for you blokes who don't naturally like dancing. However, similar scenes in Europe are markedly different, with many attractive feminine young girls.

Competition from other male dancers is minimal. Most of them have no Game, and the only threat comes from the situational Alphas (i.e the top male dancers in your scene). If you dance ok, dress sharp or stylishly (this will put you in easily top 5%, other blokes are rather sloppy), you will have your opening. Then it's up to your Game.

Outside of the dance scene, if you can dance confidently, it's a great first date / hangout to bring a girl to a live music bar to see & have a little dance to a band. It's a great physical ice breaker and makes it easier for subsequent escalation. Plus it likely makes you way more interesting than most dates she's ever had.

[Samseau]

First post - comes out swinging. I like that.

(09-04-2013 09:34 PM)Doctore Wrote:  

However, the dancing - even if you're at my level or above - only really serves as physical ice breakers and door openers. You still need to back that up with the usual good Game. Most guys in the dance scene use dancing as a buffer (see: http://therationalmale.com/2011/08/26/buffers/ ) because it's so easy to talk to and touch a girl at a dance class or social.

100% spot on. Although dancing is my method to get girls hot for me, it was my practical knowledge of game I learned via Mystery Method and Bang that closes the deal. I also use Tuth's first date recipe (but I was using a less effective version before he wrote that guide!).

Regardless, if you have even the most elementary of game to supplement good dance floor game, you will get laid. I don't care how ugly or how much of a loser a man is, if he can do these two things he will get to fuck something, even if it is a 5.

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Dance game is basically social circle game with the entry fee being some dance skills. You don't have to be super good to get in, but you need to have rhythm and confidence with some musicality. Basic moves are all you need. Once you've learned about 15-20 moves, that's more than enough for social dancing.

Being a social circle game, you want to guard your reputation well. Never ever make it appear as if you're there for the girls (of course 100% of the guys are there for that reason), it has to be for the luuuuuuv and passion for the dance.

The way to protect your reputation involves two things.

1. When you bounce girls out of the venue for a drink, ask her to meet you outside. Just say, "Okay go get your things and meet me outside the door."

This protects her reputation and yours. No one has any idea you left together and if she does anyhthing slutty with you later on, no one knows.

2. Let the girls dump you. I don't dump girls I pick up from dancing. I either go full-beta on them or I just wait for them to get cold. Either way the outcome is them dumping me, and if girls dump you they will never talk trash. After all, for her to talk to her friends and say, "I slept with him but then I dumped him after," makes her look like a MAJOR slut, so she'll keep her mouth shut. (I figured out this technique via G manifesto "How to Un-Pick-Up Girls")

Conversely if you dump her, she'll get enraged and go on a warpath to talk endless shit about you. So don't dump girls. Let them dump you. Only betas care if they get dumped by the way. For me, when a girl dumps me, I usually celebrate by pouring myself some scotch.

[JayJuanGee]

Welcome to the forum Doctore, and great first post!!! I look forward to reading more about your various dance-related experiences. I see that you are from Australia, so location certainly may affect some of your experiences to the extent your dance experience has been in Australia or in other locations.

I have used some "dance practice" excuse in order to get chicks to come to my place, and it works pretty well.

Also, I find that when I travel, even within the USA, I have a much different experience as compared to when I dance locally b/c as soon as I indicate that i am from out of town, there is a certain level of exotic value that seems to go with that and seems to be somewhat intriguing to the girls.

[Doctore]

Thanks fellas.

I'm new here but have been around these sites for years. I've learned a lot from you guys and looking to learn more.

(09-04-2013 10:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The way to protect your reputation involves two things....

Great points. I always do #2 consciously but don't pay much attention to #1 yet, and I should. Had some gossips happened that way, but luckily it's done no damage yet.

I'll add one thing: every dance scene has a couple mother hen figures. It's crucial to get them on your side, else you're gonna get remote cockblock a lot. For some reasons, older women really like me, I'm like a naughty little brother who always makes them feel good and provides them with plenty exciting adventure stories, so I get away with things. But make sure you butter them up regularly, it will pay off.

JayJuanGee, yes I'm very certain being in Australia shapes my experiences with the dance scenes a lot, but from what I've observed, Australia (talking about major cities) is not so different to typical SWPL North American cities.

As Samseau said, you will definitely get laid if you have some Game.

My only problem (atm) with the dance scene is talent selection - it's rather ordinary. Used to be way better, but the last couple of years have seen a marked drop in quality. I'm switching over to Day Game and Fitness Social Circle Game (girls who are into sports, crossfit and the likes).

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Also, I find that when I travel, even within the USA, I have a much different experience as compared to when I dance locally b/c as soon as I indicate that i am from out of town, there is a certain level of exotic value that seems to go with that and seems to be somewhat intriguing to the girls.

Yeah, same, even when I only travel to another city in Australia.

[JayJuanGee]

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(09-05-2013 12:55 AM)Doctore Wrote:  

As Samseau said, you will definitely get laid if you have some Game.

I do not want to get into any arguments about this b/c I think that several factors need to be taken into account when one talks about successful outcomes as whether we get the bang. I begin to become somewhat skeptical when I hear that there are definites in regards to getting laid in connection with the dance scene, b/c I do get bangs, but those bangs have not been as frequent as they were 10 years ago.

And, sometimes, these girls in LA take weeks to be able to bang.. I am planning on working on some of my strategies and techniques in this regard b/c i am beginning to think that I need to play my age in a different way than i had been, and also sometimes, currently, I have certain time pressures, that i did not have in the past. Also, as mentioned earlier, there may be better ways to follow up in some situations that I have not been doing.

I am also considering making a thread to follow some of my attempts to describe what I am doing regarding dance and my attempts to convert my dance game to bangs or at least better closings that may later lead to bangs within a reasonable period (maybe several weeks could be o.k., so long as it does not take too much investment of time and resources).

Some description of specifics in converting salsa to bangs may be better for another thread, unless some members in this thread want to get into that level of detail to describe how you are converting salsa dance to bangs and how long it takes b/c that also may go to answering some of the questions that Roosh made in the initial posting about his skepticism concerning whether or not a guy should invest some time into learning salsa.... and is it really worth it.

[Samseau]

I would be dancing Salsa and getting bangs if it weren't for the insane time commitment and destruction of my joints that heavy dancing brings.

Doing swing + salsa means 3-4 nights of dancing per week, which really fucks up my ankles and knees. By far and away the most difficult part of getting down two dances is that it's such a strain on your joints.

Joints do not get stronger. I'm pretty sure they have a limited lifespan and if you go too heavy on them without adaquate recovery you can wear them down even faster. Nowadays I try not to dance more than once or twice per week so I can prevent serious joint injury. Learning two dances at once means focusing on one dance at a time, making it difficult to learn both dances at once. Often times it can be a trade between getting laid or learning a new dance, and getting laid usually takes priority. Getting laid also means less motivation to learn new dances, and that's why my salsa progress is slow right now.

But I know the dance game I've laid out in this thread will work wonders for the salsa scene. I know the talent in the salsa scene isn't what it used to be (it's getting old), but I don't plan on using salsa in the US. It's more for other parts of the world.

Regardless, you gotta deliver your game smooth on the floor and make your offer to get drinks as innocent as possible. Don't beg, don't fret, don't act weird, just ask her camly if she'd like to get some drinks at a bar of your choosing. Pick a bar close to your house and get her comfortable once she's isolated. I've done this so many times with swing I can't imagine why it'd be any different for salsa.

[Christian McQueen]

Took Salsa lessons back in college.

1 swoop from class, but don't think it was because of my dance skills lol. Invited her to have a drink after, hit up one of my regular college bar spots, got drunk and banged.

Don't dance now and no desire to. Maybe when I'm older and bored.

[JayJuanGee]

(09-05-2013 03:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I would be dancing Salsa and getting bangs if it weren't for the insane time commitment and destruction of my joints that heavy dancing brings.

Samseau, I think that you have a very good point there about traumatic effects of dancing on the joints, and maybe even other problematic physical aspects that come with dance, and some people have better luck than others concerning joints... and age can certainly play a role.

10 years ago, when i was learning salsa, and my first years of salsa, I was also running and training for marathons at the same time.. that was between 2002 and 2006, and between 2006 and 2011, i mostly gave up running and I thought that i would just stay in shape through dance and thereby increase my time for dancing. In essence, I came to the conclusion that the way that i was dancing, sometimes, 10-15 hours a week, was not enough to keep in shape and something was missing... well, for me i concluded that age was catching up and also that diet is very important.... and i mostly went paleo low carb in 2011.

(09-05-2013 03:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Nowadays I try not to dance more than once or twice per week so I can prevent serious joint injury. Learning two dances at once means focusing on one dance at a time, making it difficult to learn both dances at once.

We definitely agree here that it is very time consuming and wearing on the body to focus on learning too many dances at once b/c they are frequently different skill sets. On the other hand, once you know them, it would take less energy and time to maintain the status quo; however, learning them can be a bitch for time-consuming and wearing on a person, psychologically and physically.

(09-05-2013 03:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Often times it can be a trade between getting laid or learning a new dance, and getting laid usually takes priority. Getting laid also means less motivation to learn new dances, and that's why my salsa progress is slow right now.

People will come to different conclusions about how high of a priority certain things are, including getting laid. Sometimes, also, my mood will affect whether I want to pursue getting laid. I'm working on changing some of my perspectives on some of these things - and actually, in the coming months, I am planning to be engaged in more international travel - which will hopefully contribute towards increasing some of the free-natured part of me. Nonetheless, with more than 40 years of life, some things do not easily change, unless I'm convinced, and frequently, i explore which things are worth changing, from my set of values and my life situation.

(09-05-2013 03:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

But I know the dance game I've laid out in this thread will work wonders for the salsa scene.

Actually, your description and outline of how to use dance with game in the below thread was truly inspirational to me.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5002.html

(09-05-2013 03:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I know the talent in the salsa scene isn't what it used to be (it's getting old), but I don't plan on using salsa in the US. It's more for other parts of the world.

Yes, I am thinking the same thing regarding travel and salsa in the near future. Do you have any specific countries in mind?

Currently, I am thinking to start with SEA but i have not narrowed down the country too much, except thinking Phillipines and Thailand to start and I will see how that goes and whether i will try out some other countries.... including potentially some south of the US border, well at least mexico, DR, Peru .. but still not sure about S. America location(s).. i am thinking to start with SEA first... and then see how that works out... and then decide later what will come next.. I may want to try China, cambodia, vietnam, indonesia, Japan and/or some other location nearby Phils/Thailand. So far, I am not so eager about EE or FSU, but never say never.

(09-05-2013 04:16 AM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

Took Salsa lessons back in college.

1 swoop from class, but don't think it was because of my dance skills lol. Invited her to have a drink after, hit up one of my regular college bar spots, got drunk and banged.

Don't dance now and no desire to. Maybe when I'm older and bored.

Actually, McQ, i think that you make a point here, that i believe that I attempted to make, with less elegance, in some other threads or postings.

My bangs did not go up with my improving my dance, and instead, largely, I have become more focused on dance for the sake of dance, which screwed up some of my banging focused activities.

In essence, currently, i am considering ways to revert back... maybe i should just go back to acting like i do not know how to dance.. and then go from there... banging hit ratio may improve.

Some guys who go to the salsa dance clubs when they are learning are not dancing but instead are gaming, and possibly those non-dancing guys are the ones banging more of the girls... while the male dancers have no further energy after dancing several hours.

[JayMillz]

(09-04-2013 12:05 AM)puckman Wrote:  

Dont really care about pulling asap, but getting the skills to go out and dance with latinas. what would you recommend for serious classes in NYC? I have been to a restaurant/club that offered free salsa lessons with drinks, but I didnt really pick anything up from it.

One more thing I will add about classes. If you are going to take classes, don't waste your money with poor instruction. Even for someone that just wants to social dance or use dance as a way to network and meet women, it is better to get quality instruction.

Remember, dance is a physical language between you and your partner. Like learning any language, it is better to learn the proper techniques from the start, rather than trying to unlearn bad habits and correct yourself later. Also, dance can be dangerous if you have poor instruction and technique. For example, the last thing you want to do is elbow your partner in the face because you didn't know what you were doing.

Like anything you want to learn, look for those teachers that are examples of what you want to become. For instance, in business you would emulate successful people. If you chose a male salsa instructor, try to seek out one that the ladies tell you (and you observe) they like to dance with because of how he dances. It doesn't have to be about knowing a lot of fancy moves either.

Since dance is physical, it can easily send physical and also nonphysical signals to your partner about how you would be off the dance floor. For instance, in salsa, the male and female typically have traditional roles so it can tell you about a female's ability to submit and let the male take the lead. I generally find women that follow well to be pleasant off the dance floor. If you find yourself wrestling with a girl on the dance floor because she wants to hijack the dance and not follow you, that might be a signal in the other direction.

You can get away with a lot of stuff on the dance floor that would be considered "creepy" if you were just Joe Blow trying them in some other setting. Learn to use this stuff to your advantage.

[Vaun]

thanks for all the advice, very excited about this. Its either salsa or krav maga classes right now, and I think I'll go where the latinas are...

(09-05-2013 08:59 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 12:05 AM)puckman Wrote:  

Dont really care about pulling asap, but getting the skills to go out and dance with latinas. what would you recommend for serious classes in NYC? I have been to a restaurant/club that offered free salsa lessons with drinks, but I didnt really pick anything up from it.

One more thing I will add about classes. If you are going to take classes, don't waste your money with poor instruction. Even for someone that just wants to social dance or use dance as a way to network and meet women, it is better to get quality instruction.

Remember, dance is a physical language between you and your partner. Like learning any language, it is better to learn the proper techniques from the start, rather than trying to unlearn bad habits and correct yourself later. Also, dance can be dangerous if you have poor instruction and technique. For example, the last thing you want to do is elbow your partner in the face because you didn't know what you were doing.

Like anything you want to learn, look for those teachers that are examples of what you want to become. For instance, in business you would emulate successful people. If you chose a male salsa instructor, try to seek out one that the ladies tell you (and you observe) they like to dance with because of how he dances. It doesn't have to be about knowing a lot of fancy moves either.

Since dance is physical, it can easily send physical and also nonphysical signals to your partner about how you would be off the dance floor. For instance, in salsa, the male and female typically have traditional roles so it can tell you about a female's ability to submit and let the male take the lead. I generally find women that follow well to be pleasant off the dance floor. If you find yourself wrestling with a girl on the dance floor because she wants to hijack the dance and not follow you, that might be a signal in the other direction.

You can get away with a lot of stuff on the dance floor that would be considered "creepy" if you were just Joe Blow trying them in some other setting. Learn to use this stuff to your advantage.

[Bill]

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Currently, I am thinking to start with SEA but i have not narrowed down the country too much, except thinking Phillipines and Thailand to start and I will see how that goes and whether i will try out some other countries.... including potentially some south of the US border, well at least mexico, DR, Peru .. but still not sure about S. America location(s).. i am thinking to start with SEA first... and then see how that works out... and then decide later what will come next.. I may want to try China, cambodia, vietnam, indonesia, Japan and/or some other location nearby Phils/Thailand. So far, I am not so eager about EE or FSU, but never say never.

Sounds nice. I think it would be quite good to have a dancing wing man when doing international dance gaming though at this forum we don´t have much social dancers. Maybe when the players get old then they will use it more.

[Samseau]

Learning to dance once you get older is a waste, IMO.

Far more effective to be the young talented dancer, gets way more hotter pussy.

Not to mention your joints past 50+ aren't going to be up for crazy dance moves.

[JayMillz]

(09-05-2013 01:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Learning to dance once you get older is a waste, IMO.

I would tend to disagree. Firstly, it depends on the market you are in. In NYC, for instance, the dance scene is very big and there is something for everyone. I've seen older guys pull some nice talent.

Secondly, it depends on the dance you choose for your scene. Overall, I would say certain dances, tango, for instance, cater to a more mature crowd. That being said, people love to dance so being able to dance is definitely better than not being able.

Thirdly, dancing puts you on the field to play the game. Dancing is a natural way for you to interact with women, without having to come up with corny gimmicks. Right from the start you are interacting with people that have the same thing in common.

Fourthly, dancing is international and a lot of foreign women (women born outside of the USA) love to dance and are less hung up on age. The key is to "get in where you fit in."

Lastly, dancing is a very good form of exercise and will help to relieve stress and can help keep you in shape and in a younger, more active scene. For those that aren't typically that active, it can be a lot more fun burning calories while dancing with a sexing woman in your arms versus 45 minutes on the elliptical machine.

[JayMillz]

This video is an illustration of how international and multi-ethnic salsa is. These two might not even speak the same language and the guy is no spring chicken, but salsa is the great equalizer.