[Que enspastic]

just an observation, i'm here now in bangkok and not once seen a sausagefest at a club. very different from what i'm used to.

possible factors
- the girls earn more cash in middle classes
- 30s girls still look 20s
- guys don't approach ever, clubs are safe from bad game
- huge percentage of thai men are gay
- straight guys look like they suffer from low sex drives

[Travesty]

(08-10-2013 02:25 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Another reason why sausagesfests exist is because guys don't day game. They wait until Friday and Saturday night to approach girls. This is when all the guys go out = sausagefest.

Day game is a "taco fest". Which means a pussyfest. Especially where I do it at colleges and universities. These places are often 60% women. And, I hang around the psychology and dance departments which are like 70% girls.

I'm starting to wonder...

Why do you guys go out at night?

I mean, I know some guys are able to get laid occasionally, but, it sounds like most guys are just frustrated and not getting results.

The best is getting that college girl coming out of the humanities building or library that you get in a conversation and she has been busy with her studies and is thirsty herself right off the bat to be hit on and taken.

I get locking down a high end place, suiting up, and having 7's and 8's all around. Seems worth it if you have the energy.

Going to the average bar in America, it is a sausagefest with less than a handful of 7's, and the ones there usually are veteran bar girls and aren't very thirsty. They play games with their girlfriends to see who can get the most free drinks.

[Kama'aina]

(08-08-2013 06:25 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

For my local places in town I text the owner or bartender to find ratios before I go. A couple of them watch the security from their laptops for entertainment and will text me when it heats up...

Maybe there's an app for this, check the situation of a place before you go..

[RougeNoir]

(08-10-2013 02:25 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Another reason why sausagesfests exist is because guys don't day game. They wait until Friday and Saturday night to approach girls. This is when all the guys go out = sausagefest.

Day game is a "taco fest". Which means a pussyfest. Especially where I do it at colleges and universities. These places are often 60% women. And, I hang around the psychology and dance departments which are like 70% girls.

I'm starting to wonder...

Why do you guys go out at night?

I mean, I know some guys are able to get laid occasionally, but, it sounds like most guys are just frustrated and not getting results.

I've been telling my amigos that they need to do more daygame. These clowns complain that the women at night have bitch shields. These guys wind up going 1 for 15, 2 for 28, or 0 for 19 during night game. They give up the game and become semi-celibate due to these rejections. They end up choosing to "get money" and say, "fuck these girls, when I get money they won't leave me alonge." Nevertheless, they become bitter and prefer to not go out anymore. I tell them, "you need to come check out this community college and Whole Foods Market during the daytime." They reply, "I'm getting money during the day. I get females during the weekend." Some people may never learn.

[Greek kamaki]

The reasons are:
1.Guys have more stamina than women so they can stay in clubs longer hours, visit more clubs in a row, engage in repetitive clubbing in the week etc.Guys do not have to piss or apply make up every now and then the whole preparation for clubbing is much simpler.
2.Guys can stand alcohol in higher degree than women who after some drinks have to go home thus reducing the female to male ratio.
3.Guys visit clubs actively searching for women because they are more horny due to higher levels of testosterone. Very few guys visit clubs just to dance or drink with their male friends.

4.Guys are usually more mobile with cars and more independent meaning they do not have the space time restrictions most women have.
5.Guys very often get distracted by hot female promoters and stunning girls who are being paid by the club just to stand there in order to attract more male clients.
6. Guys spend much less on shopping than women so they have more disposable income for clubbing.

[Giovonny]

(08-10-2013 10:13 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

The best is getting that college girl coming out of the humanities building or library that you get in a conversation and she has been busy with her studies and is thirsty herself right off the bat to be hit on and taken.

Yup, college campuses are never sausagefests. They are usually almost 60% girls.

You said it! Those girls in the library that haven't been fucked in a few months are perfect. And, there are thousands of them!

The only sausagefests that I experience are at my local BBQ joint. And, I love them:

(08-11-2013 02:11 AM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

I've been telling my amigos that they need to do more daygame. These clowns complain that the women at night have bitch shields.

Night time gives most of the power to women.

They put on their best clothes and make up so they feel special.

They are with their friends so they have extra security.

They are surrounded by beta guys so they get more attention.

I'm starting to wonder..

IS NIGHT GAME BETA?

Most guys just complain about it. Girls are bitchy, cock blocking is high, betas are everywhere..

Why are guys wasting time, money, and energy in these environments???

Nothing could be more beta then wasting resources in a fruitless search for pussy. Nothing could be more beta then spending money to play a game that is set up for you to lose.

I know the club owners, bar mangers, and party promoters want us in there spending money, I know the girls want us in there to give them attention and artificially boost there value, I know the cops want us in there to give us DUI's on the way home.

But, what do we get out of it??? We are the last ones to profit. AND WE PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING!

Staying up all night damaging our health, putting money in other peoples pocket, giving away attention for nothing, risking money and freedom, playing by the womens rules. Eating shitty food at 4am. Feeling like shit for the next 48 hours..

This is bullshit.

[horn]

Giving away your attention for nothing is not related to 'night game.' It's just a straight-up beta move regardless of daytime in a museum or park, or nighttime at the club. I don't think staying up late and drinking is following women's rules either. I would say the woman in that situation is breaking the 'women's rules,' not the reverse. JMHO.

Like others said, avoid the cock-blocking, sausage-fest environment and you solve 90% of your problems.

[la_mode]

It really depends on the campus...schools with a heavy focus on engineering/science are usually the opposite ratio than heavy liberal arts.

Generally, after college in the US, the ratios are almost as bad as China. It will literally take WW3 to make them even.

[Kish]

(08-13-2013 06:23 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

It really depends on the campus...schools with a heavy focus on engineering/science are usually the opposite ratio than heavy liberal arts.

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Yup. And you should avoid where the alumni of those schools congregate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_technology_centers

Toronto, DC, San Jose, Denver are all on this list. Not a surprise.

[DVY]

I've been murdering night-game in LA (arguably one of the hardest cities). Fri/Saturday is when girls get off work too. They are big nights out...
I do go to sausagefest occasionally, but its to grab a quick drink and do a lap around the spot. Ill swoop some girls out of there to another spot.

Heres my strategy-

I get most of my girls from the hours of 9pm to 11pm, aka before the drunkards/guys descend. Guys start coming in waves starting around 10.30pm. I call this early night-game (kind of an amped up day-game).

I drift and do laps around places and just constantly socialize w/everybody. Smoking areas, outdoor patios are excellent for this. Dance-floor game for a venue-change. Or pick up from the dance floor, then venue-change outside for smoking/chatting... I consider this solidifying leads or just shooting the shit.

Then I get a few from 1.30am to 2.30am. (last-call game).

Sidenotes- I am almost always suited. Girls sometimes think I am a bouncer/owner. This leads to funny conversations.

[tylerdurden1993]

I think the ratios are bad in venues and holiday resorts because of the promise of "easy" and "hot" girls brings in groups of single guys all with one thing on their mind, this happened when I went to magaluf in Majorca which is called "shagaluf" supposedly because its easy to get laid when I went I had really poor game and the place was a huge sausagefest. Also here in the UK girls have started going to gaybars to avoid straight male attention but to top it off straight men have cottoned on to this and so go to gaybars to try and pull them. No wonder the west is so fucked up

[Vitriol]

(08-11-2013 02:28 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

6. Guys spend much less on shopping than women so they have more disposable income for clubbing.

I think this is a huge one. All of the girls I know complain about being broke ALL THE FUCKING TIME because women can't handle money. When girls do go out, it is usually because 1. a guy is taking them and paying for everything 2. they go out with a group of girlfriends to have a hen night where they have a marathon bullshit session lasting 3 or 4 hours over one drink and won't buy anything else unless some sucker comes along and pays for it. I've even had local bartenders tell me they're sick of these big groups of girls because they usually never tip and order one drink, then waste hours sitting around and taking up space.

[RXB]

I love night game.

I run it sober, go solo, dress sharp, and do all my approaches early on.

Most dudes don't approach until they're plastered and a lot of girls go home before closing time. As such, approaching early is the key.

Because I go in early, I like to make bold moves right off the bat. It's not uncommon for me to get some boobage before 11 pm. If I can tell that a girl likes me but has some lame social obligation with her friends, I'll get her number and then "disappear" (read go to my car and read a book until closing time).

Whack game-less drunk guys do the rest of my job for me.

I usually get a "where are you" text latter that night.

Then I reappear a short time later.

Sausage fests aren't a huge issue for me unless I'm in a really negative mood. Then I'll use them as an excuse to go home early.

[horn]

(08-16-2013 06:14 PM)tylerdurden1993 Wrote:  

Also here in the UK girls have started going to gaybars to avoid straight male attention but to top it off straight men have cottoned on to this and so go to gaybars to try and pull them. No wonder the west is so fucked up

I've been pulling hot chicks, models, drunk younger sisters out of gay bars for about 15 years.

Ratio is outta control in your favor. I was at one of the largest gay bars in NYC a while back and the straight girls were telling us there were about 6 straight men out of 2000 people in the place. That included the 3 of us in a mixed party of guys/girls [all straight]. Let's say there were...200 straight women, all young, drinking, dancing, no one hitting on them, getting horny and frustrated surrounded by ripped gay men who ignore them [sound familiar?]. You do the math.

so, basically:
1) the odds ftw, girls will grab you all nite to dance/drink with. I have never been groped so many times in my life, by girls, as these places.
2) no better way to show you're cool, calm and not judgemental.
3) the gay men who will gladly help you pull a str8 girl - "hey, dance with my friend she likes to party!"
4) hipper locations and DJs, great music brings out hot women you never see anywhere else,
5) When their gay male friends leave to fuck some guy they just met...they don't wanna go home alone. And probably don't want to stay at the club. Everyone at the club is going home with someone to fuck: "Taxi!"
6) Plausible deniability for them - either they have no girlfriends with them, they are hanging out with gay BFFs, relatives, or co-workers, or they'll tell their GFs the next day they left with the above and/or went home early 'so drunk!'
7) Even when you deny it, they might think you're bi-sexual. New, exciting, shiny, mysterious, experienced = bang.

[JJ Roberts]

Because the guys that go there, go there with a 'takers' mentality and feeling of lack. They are basically there because they don't have enough sex or women in their life (often none) and they need more.

This is a fear based way of being on a night out.

Being a woman in that environment (especially an attractive one) is a task as most guys you meet will not have a positive vibe about them due to the fear based nature of them being there. The guys they meet either won't genuinely having a good time or they will just pretending to be having a good time.

Think those guys you see at every club with a serious expression on their face, beer held to their chest and eyes scanning the room.

First of all it means you can't go to one alone - too dangerous. You need female friends with you. Guys can go alone.

Second it's time consuming to get ready. Guys can pretty much throw on a dress shirt, pants and pair of shoes.

There are many other reasons.

[Catch 22]

Because God hates you

[Catch 22]

(08-11-2013 12:10 AM)Kamaaina Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 06:25 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

For my local places in town I text the owner or bartender to find ratios before I go. A couple of them watch the security from their laptops for entertainment and will text me when it heats up...

Maybe there's an app for this, check the situation of a place before you go..

There was an app for this, actually. I think it died because women protested it. Pretty sure it was SceneTap, which I just tried and says every Tampa bar is closed right now...before midnight

I'm not up for downloading a bunch of apps right now, but anybody who wants to do some *beta* testing...

http://appcrawlr.com/ios-apps/best-apps-girl-ratio

[casio]

I sometimes work at a higher priced cocktailbar, and the girlratio there is crazy. But when I ask my friends to go there they often say "nah, that shit is too expensive" (because beers are about 25% more than most other places).
But girls come to drink a fancy cocktail, check in on FB and share pictures of them being there on instagram.

Also, a tool, for parties with FB events: http://sausagefestmeter.com/

[The Beast1]

(08-08-2013 04:31 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

American men don't like doing 'gay' things.

Ask this to your typical guy friends.

hey let's go to salsa class
hey let's go to cooking class
hey let's go to art galleries
hey let's go to wine lounge place
hey let's go to home decor stores
hey let's go to fancy restaurants
hey let's go to farmers market

I bet 90% guys would LOL at you. I am not saying you should go to botox parties, beauty classes, and pilate classes to meet women. But you can't complain when you go to places typical guys like to hang out.

Which is more 'Gay'? hanging out in a sports bar with your dudes throwing bean bags OR
hanging out in an art gallery surrounded by classy ladies?

Agreed 100%

I went to a high end yoga studio once with this girl i'm seeing. Being 6ft tall I stood over a room FULL of 5'7 girls all in yoga pants being 7+. I couldn't find my girl because she blended in with all of the women there.

[TheFinalEpic]

There is an app for that, not sure if its been mentioned, called HotOwl.

The app takes the data from the scanning companies and registers a ratio of males to females, the average age of both genders, and the capacity the club is at. It works very well from where I'm from (Alberta) but the data it has on certain cities that are large party towns like Vegas is abysmal.

That being said, it has definitely deterred me from certain bars, or even going out on certain nights because when I see a ratio of 91% male to 9% female (no joke) I'm like fuck that shit.

[Foolsgo1d]

I did dance classes. Mostly women and 2-3 other men who were fucking useless.

Learning a dance is easy but I got bored with all the uglies, old gals and fatties who turned up. I danced with the instructor several times and learned a lot.

I do night game because I can get results from it and it provides me with a lot of entertainment. I buy 1-2 drinks the whole night as I pre-drink. I dont do high-end places because I dont have the excess t waste.

[Distant Light]

Why Sausagefest?
1. Most men don't hangout in "mixed groups" instead they hangout with all 6 of their bros
2. Most men don't have FEMALE FRIENDS, every chick they ever interacted with they blatantly are trying to fuck
3. Most men hate rolling solo so they're always with atleast ONE OTHER GUY
4. Most men go out trying to get laid, imagine 50 other guys also thinking the same thing, you now have 100 guys out in a venue

In The High End Scene Their Is A Certain "Norm"
1. If you're a regular you either got in because of money, fame, or "connected" to lots of women
2. The business model is designed to filter out MEN who "don't get it" who are part of the the problem rather than the solution

Although SADLY it's a dying "business" model due to EDM mainstream and people willing to pay cover charge, it will always be a niche because... ($300 bar tab solo guy...$1k table minimums..$5k table minimums if a celeb/dj is there.
- At worst ratios is 60:40 Girls to Guys and at best 80:20 Girls to Guys
- Lots of wealthy men are willing to pay top dollar to be around so many women (so they can potentially meet)

Real Life Examples (Based On Connectors I Know)
NOTE, I'm a huge fan of this whole business model and in the past 3 years became very bias. (Won't bother to get into it but I like that it filters out guys)

Keep in mind, if there is no guy in the picture, he is the one taking the picture... (It's uncommon to see a crew with more than 3-4 guys, unless there are like 25+ girls)























P.S...How I broke into this whole scene, people mistakened me for a "model scout" or simply a guy who knew lots of tall hot chicks. I was known as a guy who didn't hangout with guys and always with atleast 2 to 5 girls. (This resulted in an arab prince bodyguard inviting me to the prince dudes table and gave me my own bottle of champagne hahahaah)

[Suits]

Has anyone considered making their own place the cool place to party on the weekend an option? When you control the guest list, you determine the rations.

Options: Sunday afternoon BBQs, Saturday night pre-game, Friday night birthday party for some random girl (who cares who she is).

You can be the cool place to hang out, if you've got an apartment with enough room for 10-20 people, a bar and some affordable to make, but classy looking cocktail recipes. If girls come to your place to pregame and bring their friends, you'll be able to snag contacts as they come through each weekend and the girls who are DTF my find themselves never actually leaving, waiting till everyone else clears out so that you can bang.

I've been working in this direction myself, stocking up on wine glasses and practicing my hosting skills for a few years now when I've had the opportunity, but now that I'm finished school and entirely focused on building a concrete lifestyle, I'm making big steps in this direction.

I'm going to save the club for dancing with friends I already know (going out with mixed groups and establishing value as the clear leader of the group), but only after the pre-party where I drink 90% of my alcohol for the evening.

[peterfoo22]

(08-08-2013 04:52 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Quote:

Because Men and Women in general like different things.

"Sausagefests" are a good thing. Because they create places that aren't.

You have to know where to go to swoop girls.

Exactly. Certain friends comment to me, "where can I meet women like that"

I just nod. I am done giving out invites to places and events that are off the hook with classy, feminine and numerous women, where the invites go unanswered. Unless its a "be seen" event, then guys are all over the invite. But again, these are going to be "sausagefests".

Most men wouldn't feel comfortable in a place with lots of high quality women. They talk the big talk about how this place has no women, or is a "sausagefest" but if they were suddenly dropped into a bar with classy fly women they would form a protective circle around their beers and either get drunk or get bitter (these women are snobby b*tches).

Nothing is broken nor wants to be fixed. Its just nature.

Yeah, you're thinking about it on the whole. It can be quite overwhelming to think that you have to compete with every single guy in the bar or the local bar/ club scene.

Honestly, if you have game there are going to be girls everywhere if you look around the daygame spots and n ightgame spots.

Go to places that most guys wouldn't go and see what the ratio is then.

P

[Sebastian]

Most American males hate anything related to 'Feminine'. They will refuse to go to the place that has Feminine influence. If you are a female, would you go to totally masculine place? (eg: sports bar where guys watch games and play with bean bags)

So you are a 'Masculine' male and you stick to those 'masculine' places and you see lots of other guys. then why the heck do you complain? don't you feel great being masculine and hang around other guys like you? lol (sarcasm here)

I think typical american guys just work, go to gym, do some errands and watch tv on weekdays. When the weekend comes along, they crave getting some pussy and feel like they need to go out. So they hit one of those bars or clubs typical guys prefer. Guess what?
it's filled with the Same guys like you. People feel comfortable around other people with similar lifestyle.....so this is as it supposed to be?

It takes an Effort or you need to change your Interest if you want to hang around good amount of women.

It takes an Effort to go to cooking class, some kickball league, salsa dance or other meetups that brings females.

You need to change your Interest like going to art galleries, fancy bars or restaurants if you want to hang around females.

Typical conversation I would imagine.

'hey man, you want to hang out at this fancy coffee shop?'
'lol Im ok. I don't go to coffee shop unless I need to study'

'hey man, let's go to this wine lounge. lots of hot chicks'
'lol Im ok. That sounds like a place for a date'

'hey man, do you want to try yoga class with me'
'lol you joking? I just lift weights like a man'

'hey man, do you want to go to this fundraiser party?'
'lol are you asking me to go there as your partner?'

I am not saying guys should go to sewing class or botox party. But a guy like this will refuse to go places that brings equal amount of guys and girls, will hit the bar or club at the end of the weekend and complain 'a lot of fuckin guys. I need to move. this city sucks'

To summarize, you go to places you comfortable like other guys. Accept the truth there would be many guys like you.