Quote: (05-12-2015 05:52 PM)shameus_oreaaly Wrote:
Quote: (05-12-2015 05:15 PM)zigZag Wrote:
For the last time. GMOs should not be labeled because they are not sufficiently different enough to warrant labeling. Just because you feel it's different does not make it so. The reality is that the world is uneven. So places are fertile as a young fit 18 year old and others are dry desserts like a woman at menopause. For some situations GMOs are the solution. In America GMOs are the solution to producing a large amount of crops to feed a population that likes to eat a lot and does not want to pay premium for food. The reason why GMO products are so successful is because they provide value to farmers.
Of course, a feel is not a real, but what's a 'sufficient' difference? Free-range and caged eggs are marked as such, and there are real, albeit slight differences in the nutritional content of those eggs-not to the consumer, but battery hens need calcium supplements to produce eggs with rigid shells that don't crack, etc. I wouldn't know the difference if I breakfasted on one fried free-range egg and one battery egg but the label is still required.
I'll gladly concede that GM foods confer advantages to the consumer and the farmer; I'm not quibbling with the evidence. Nonetheless, trust in agribusiness is hardly at an all-time high and Monsanto et alia won't win anybody over if they try to introduce their products by the back door.
Labelling is a middle road between refusing to allow it and refusing to realise that it will be perceived as different by 99% of people.
If labelling is prevented, there will be a rise in apps like NxtNutrio and other things to identify GM ingredients, and that won't help sales either-they look like the bad guy and they'll be boycotted by people 'on-the-fence'.
The benefits of GMOs are real; let the growers show those off.
Quote: (05-12-2015 04:31 PM)The_e_man Wrote:
I love healthy discussion, I just love this forum and it's members so much that it pains me to see dicussion of this type.
I liken this to discussing whether a Libra should date a Scorpio, or if we should stop drinking tap water because the government is trying to poison us.
I have a background in science as my bachelor degree specialization was in molecular biology / biochemistry and I apologize for coming across too hard or too abrasive, but it bothers me to no end when I see society so full of scientific illiteracy.
I, too, used to apply the appeal to nature fallacy because it just seems right to think natural = good.
Once you understand the molecular and chemical basis of our world then you realize "natural" is nothing more than a marketing buzz-word. A Carbon molecule linked to Hydrogen and Oxygen molecules in a certain ratio (C1H2O1) and spatial arrangement pattern is a carbohydrate. This carbohydrate does not differentiate between protons that came from nature and protons that came from evil corporations.
Looking back at my post, it was very rude and I apologize for that my brothers. But please practice scientific literacy as much as possible.
Granted, much public discussion of scientific issues is not led by anyone with a scientific background. I'll let scientific arguments against GM food alone; I just anticipate a 'whoops' moment regarding this issue in ten or twenty years because so many of those have come to light from ideas, many in food-related fields, that were thought to be the last word.
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It is not different and labeling implies difference. Its like segregation in the south. If GMOs are labeled then the very act of labeling them implies that they are someway inferior to foods that are not labeled as such. If i told you, you had to sit in X seat on the plane while everyone else could sit wherever they wanted, then the very act of forcing you to sit in a particular seat implies that you are different (inferior) to others. It is the same with GMOs.
Aside from that GMOs are literally in everything. Corn is fed to cows and Pigs that i'm sure of and i'm guessing chicken too because when i lived in the caribbean my neighbor fed her chicken ground up corn mixed with other stuff. So that means the main animals are "GMO". Then Almost everything is sweetened with HFCS which is a corn based sweetener and not only that but corn based ethanol is mixed with gasoline nowadays. So not only is GMO in you, but it is also in your vehicle if you're not using a diesel of course.