[Sketness]

In looking at my own game and evaluating it I have found that there are certain areas that I need help with.

In my self evaluation, I have found that my Middle Game needs the most work. I can approach and start a conversation with ease, strangely enough I have good closing game. For me I find that my problem is converting my normal conversation into building comfort and attraction.

A little bit about myself: I am a typical mesomorph, tall ( over 6'2)

I know that by me being a bigger guy that I need to focus on building comfort so that I can build attraction. A good break down of Middle Game would be very helpful.

[Lothario]

(07-08-2013 06:17 PM)Sketness Wrote:  

In looking at my own game and evaluating it I have found that there are certain areas that I need help with.

In my self evaluation, I have found that my Middle Game needs the most work. I can approach and start a conversation with ease, strangely enough I have good closing game. For me I find that my problem is converting my normal conversation into building comfort and attraction.

A little bit about myself: I am a typical mesomorph, tall ( over 6'2)

I know that by me being a bigger guy that I need to focus on building comfort so that I can build attraction. A good break down of Middle Game would be very helpful.

Sketness help me understand your problem, you said you have good closing game , Is that number closing or F... closing, If it is latter no help needed.

IMO Attraction comes before Comfort, Read Bang and Day Bang for Developing Attraction and Comfort. Tons of material available on net for developing Attraction. Some cliff notes though ...

1. Pay attention to Fashion and Fitness, Dress Better, look fresh and confident that girls can have a positive view towards you, some might get attracted just by looking at you.

2. Drop small and large bait in your conversation about interesting facets of your life where Girls are forced to ask you questions.

Comfort will later, If a girl is not even attracted to you, she is not going to want to become comfortable with you.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Ask open-ended questions: "So what's with school?" When people open up to you, it makes them feel comfortable.

Ask for a favor: "Can you help me with blah blah blah." Ben Franklin said people grow to like people who they help out. Don't do any favors, though; people (especially women) resent "helpers" for being paternalistic or for "mansplaining."

[Sketness]

(07-08-2013 06:31 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 06:17 PM)Sketness Wrote:  

In looking at my own game and evaluating it I have found that there are certain areas that I need help with.

In my self evaluation, I have found that my Middle Game needs the most work. I can approach and start a conversation with ease, strangely enough I have good closing game. For me I find that my problem is converting my normal conversation into building comfort and attraction.

A little bit about myself: I am a typical mesomorph, tall ( over 6'2)

I know that by me being a bigger guy that I need to focus on building comfort so that I can build attraction. A good break down of Middle Game would be very helpful.

Sketness help me understand your problem, you said you have good closing game , Is that number closing or F... closing, If it is latter no help needed.

IMO Attraction comes before Comfort, Read Bang and Day Bang for Developing Attraction and Comfort. Tons of material available on net for developing Attraction. Some cliff notes though ...

1. Pay attention to Fashion and Fitness, Dress Better, look fresh and confident that girls can have a positive view towards you, some might get attracted just by looking at you.

2. Drop small and large bait in your conversation about interesting facets of your life where Girls are forced to ask you questions.

Comfort will later, If a girl is not even attracted to you, she is not going to want to become comfortable with you.

What I mean by closing game is, I know Once she is attracted how to proceed, (example; logistics, getting her home). My problem is that area between meeting her and taking her home. I some times struggle with building a deep connection through conversation. That is what I need some tips on

[Hallasan]

Have you read Bang yet? Sounds like you just need some help with topics of conversation.

[CJ]

Ya, middle game is basically a combination of being conversational, slowly shifting the ratio of who is speaking from you doing most of the talking, to you doing most of the listening. If she keeps talking, that's a good sign. Plus less work for you to do at this point. If you struggle with being talkative, just work on starting conversations with any and everyone you meet. Pauses in the conversation, accompanied by locking eyes, are welcome here too.

Other steps that help build comfort are touching and if you're going for the SNL, make sure you toss in a venue bounce or two. If that's not possible, you might also try the old, "Hey wanna step outside for a minute to get some fresh air/smoke" routine.

[horn]

(07-08-2013 06:38 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Ask open-ended questions: "So what's with school?" When people open up to you, it makes them feel comfortable.

Ask for a favor: "Can you help me with blah blah blah." Ben Franklin said people grow to like people who they help out.

This is the key as all good con-men know. Watch Joe Mantegna at the WU in House of Games. It is masterful. Looks super-easy, but takes a lot of practice.

Start practicing!

[horn]

(07-08-2013 06:51 PM)Sketness Wrote:  

What I mean by closing game is, I know Once she is attracted how to proceed, (example; logistics, getting her home). My problem is that area between meeting her and taking her home. I some times struggle with building a deep connection through conversation. That is what I need some tips on

You should be bouncing to multiple venues once she is comfortable with you. Isolate, bounce to another nearby bar, presumably closer to your crib. Rinse, repeat.

[Travesty]

I am a big fan of switching venues to keep things fresh on a first or second date. Try to fit in 3 or 4 if you can. The venue changes expand time and add little adventures in getting to the next place. Also if you are in night game starting off with an approach this helps isolation happen much faster.

Another tip that helps me out is in conversation is physically to lean back and be comfortable. You being comfortable makes her comfortable. Also don't be afraid to add a little chit chat in with bartender or waitress and get a joke a going.

Anytime dates have gone well for me, the girl is blabbing about herself almost 80% of the time.

A good hack to building comfort is to go on a date that has alcohol AND fun. This could be a Dave and Busters, bowling with alcohol, or doing a fun thing first like batting cages or go karts then go to a bar after.

This way during drinks you have tons of stuff to talk about and relive what just happened.

[Sketness]

How would you go about a venue change at a house party?