[Chrysalis]

Evo-psych speaking...

I understand FFM: girls being bi-curious, not intimidated by another girl and having another girl right there to preselect the man even during the act.

But what's with MMFs? She cannot feel both guys are Alpha, one has to outdo the other (excepting pro sports teams)... I just cannot understand it. A simple she's slutting it up is not explanation enough.

And, for the record, I hate MMF porn, won't go into "it's gay" debate. Just how does one explain the girl position in it? IMO it goes against what Game teaches.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Why is this hard to understand?

With two straight guys paying total attention to her and putting themselves at risk for seeming/feeling gay, her ego gets a rock-blast to the moon. Also, a recent study showed women get off on gay male porn. And on top of that, a lot of women get off on being subservient to men and/or gang bang fantasies.

Taking all that into account, being with two guys is a win-win for women...at least the kind of women who would do threesomes, that is.

[scotian]

Relevant:

[The Beast1]

Nothing wrong with a little MFM action. Not gay at all.

Much like guys having fantasies of 42 virgins women, women have fantasies of being surrounded by masses of cocks.

A girl's ID is like that penis book in Superbad. She likes penis a LOT and it doesn't matter if it is just one or 30.

The girl isn't thinking alpha/beta unless this is some cuckold fantasy.

Now i personally find the cuckolding fetish strange.

[Broadband]

Another thing. If she's a dirty enough girl the idea of double penetration is quite the turn on for some.

[samsamsam]

(07-08-2013 10:54 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Relevant:

Seriously, I am the first to like that? That was a pretty creative commercial.

[Fitzgerald]

I take Patrice's point of view on this: a mff is a threesome, a fmm is two dudes runnin' a train a chick.

[Mage]

Please remember that 99% of porn is made for men and that MMF is a MALE PHANTASY (for a certain subcategory of male) not something most women dream about. Porn actresses just act to enjoy it because it is their job.

Of course there could be some women who like that, but this is the rare exception that proves the rule. Those women are degenerates anyway so there is not much point into analyzing their thinking.

Why many men like watching MMF? The reason is the subconscious worship of the mysterious (for beta males) and primal sexual power a woman wields. The average man sees how a woman is able to orgasm multiple times, from many cocks, how she can put multiple cocks in her ofrices - it is this wild sexual power that a woman has and he who can orgasm just once and fill just one ofrice lacks. Most men fear this power and worship it. It is the source of both arousal and anxiety for many men who tremble before the mystery of womans sexuality. It is plain goddess worship.

The source of this goddes worship is actually materialism. If you look at men and women as purely materialistical physical bodies, womens sexual power seems greater as you can imagine how to stick multiple cocks into her better then imagining how multiple women pleasure a single cock. This is the dafault viewpoint of todays weak male populace.

However if you view men and women psychologically or spiritually if you see the invisible, if you see their nature as well as their physical bodies if you have taken the red pill, then yes MMF seems stupid to you like a stupid and unbelievebally shallow fiction, because psychologically and spiritually it is man who can connect with multiple women, but since we live in materialism, most people perceive the reality in a way where a woman can connect with multiple men.

[Grit]

I can't believe no one is talking evo-psych.

If she gets railed by two guys, she has twice the leverage for planning a beta provider. If the dudes are comfortable having sex with her together, chances are they will hang around afterward and not get 'awkward'

That means she can drop hints and can start a bidding war. She will try and get some beta investment.

Imagine a world without paternity tests. If there is a twelve way gang bang, she can disappear for three years and suddenly hit up the most successful guy for money. "Its your child! Look at his face! He looks just like you!"

I hope you can see why multiple men make her incredibly happy. Its a fast track to giving her beta bux options.

[Mage]

(07-08-2013 01:24 PM)Grit Wrote:  

I can't believe no one is talking evo-psych.

If she gets railed by two guys, she has twice the leverage for planning a beta provider. If the dudes are comfortable having sex with her together, chances are they will hang around afterward and not get 'awkward'

That means she can drop hints and can start a bidding war. She will try and get some beta investment.

Imagine a world without paternity tests. If there is a twelve way gang bang, she can disappear for three years and suddenly hit up the most successful guy for money. "Its your child! Look at his face! He looks just like you!"

I hope you can see why multiple men make her incredibly happy. Its a fast track to giving her beta bux options.

The problem with this is that she herself won't know if she will concieve the child from the strongest man or the weakest one. Therefore women like to go exclusively monogamous while in love.

[Acute Angle]

(07-08-2013 01:30 PM)Mage Wrote:  

The problem with this is that she herself won't know if she will concieve the child from the strongest man or the weakest one. Therefore women like to go exclusively monogamous while in love.

I suggest you read Sperm Wars. The female reproductive organs in all their amazing complexity are designed in minute detail to facilitate competition between sperm from different men. Her mind may have decided that she prefers Jack over Bob, but her biology will decide which sperm impregnates her egg. Or maybe it will be 'sneaky fucker' Ted who nips in for a quickie after she's worn out the other two?

[MrXY]

A lot of women have gangbang fantasies and watch gangbang porn

[Seth_Rose]

Why do men fantasize about threesome's with two chicks? They want girls to worship their cock and make them feel dominant.

On the flip side, I'd imagine girls want to engage in mmf threesomes so that guys can worship their pussy and/or make them feel submissive.

My ex's big fantasy was a mmf. I never asked her too much about it because I didn't want her to get any ideas, but all I know was that she was submissive in bed, as are most women.

[Chrysalis]

(07-08-2013 01:24 PM)Grit Wrote:  

I can't believe no one is talking evo-psych.

If she gets railed by two guys, she has twice the leverage for planning a beta provider. If the dudes are comfortable having sex with her together, chances are they will hang around afterward and not get 'awkward'

That means she can drop hints and can start a bidding war. She will try and get some beta investment.

Imagine a world without paternity tests. If there is a twelve way gang bang, she can disappear for three years and suddenly hit up the most successful guy for money. "Its your child! Look at his face! He looks just like you!"

I hope you can see why multiple men make her incredibly happy. Its a fast track to giving her beta bux options.

You're the only one with an evo-psych answer, thanks.

However, you're describing a woman doing two betas at the same time. Benefits or not, a woman will put out for a beta very reluctantly, and to make a leap that she'd put out for 2 betas excitedly is a wrong conclusion, IMO.

Let's leave out the porn and include fantasies only if it's in the context. I was talking about IRL mmfs, statistics say that these happen more than ffms. No, I don't have the sources to cite, but I'd say it's a given.

[Mage]

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Let's leave out the porn and include fantasies only if it's in the context. I was talking about IRL mmfs, statistics say that these happen more than ffms. No, I don't have the sources to cite, but I'd say it's a given.
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Dude I already answered you question, sorry for not including the exact words "evo-psych" in my post for you to respect it. You are like a zealous christian who will not accept something if there is not a bible verse beneath it.

Women also have a rape phantasy, but does that mean that they want to be raped? No! Because in real life there is a factor that only men who are undesirable to women resort to rape. In phantasy she can imagine that a sexy alfa will stalk her and take her by force - something that is extremely unlikely to actually happen, because that alfa has women coming to him much easier.

Like rape, MMF is a phantasy that 99% of non degenerate women will leave as phantasy because it is a nice phantasy but not that good in reality. In phantasy a woman imagines to get banged by several men of exact same high sexual status and their equal status is created by her phantasy, but in real life she will start comparing men immediately and automatically start desiring one man and start to see the other as an inferior and feel disgust for him. Unless the woman is a degenerate who has had over dozens of cocks already and is completely desensitized.

As I said, MMFs are statistically more common then FFMs IN THIS CULTURE because in this culture where materialism reigns and sex is viewed as a mere physical contact rather then psychological or spiritual contact a woman has more abbility to attach multiple men to her then for a man to attach multiple women to him. If you understand the psychology behind peoples sexual behaviour a.k.a. red pill that most people cannot see, then you see how a man can psychologically connect with multiple women, while women can truly connect only to one man.

[Chrysalis]

(07-09-2013 01:26 AM)Mage Wrote:  

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Let's leave out the porn and include fantasies only if it's in the context. I was talking about IRL mmfs, statistics say that these happen more than ffms. No, I don't have the sources to cite, but I'd say it's a given.

Dude I already answered you question, sorry for not including the exact words "evo-psych" in my post for you to respect it. You are like a zealous christian who will not accept something if there is not a bible verse beneath it.

Women also have a rape phantasy, but does that mean that they want to be raped? No! Because in real life there is a factor that only men who are undesirable to women resort to rape. In phantasy she can imagine that a sexy alfa will stalk her and take her by force - something that is extremely unlikely to actually happen, because that alfa has women coming to him much easier.

Like rape, MMF is a phantasy that 99% of non degenerate women will leave as phantasy because it is a nice phantasy but not that good in reality. In phantasy a woman imagines to get banged by several men of exact same high sexual status and their equal status is created by her phantasy, but in real life she will start comparing men immediately and automatically start desiring one man and start to see the other as an inferior and feel disgust for him. Unless the woman is a degenerate who has had over dozens of cocks already and is completely desensitized.

As I said, MMFs are statistically more common then FFMs IN THIS CULTURE because in this culture where materialism reigns and sex is viewed as a mere physical contact rather then psychological or spiritual contact a woman has more abbility to attach multiple men to her then for a man to attach multiple women to him. If you understand the psychology behind peoples sexual behaviour a.k.a. red pill that most people cannot see, then you see how a man can psychologically connect with multiple women, while women can truly connect only to one man.
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Sorry, man, but i really can't see evo-psych in your arguments. I do concur with the last sentence in your post, but that's why this MMF thing is so puzzling to me. It seems to go against the law of nature.

[Mage]

(07-09-2013 02:40 AM)Chrysalis Wrote:  

Sorry, man, but i really can't see evo-psych in your arguments. I do concur with the last sentence in your post, but that's why this MMF thing is so puzzling to me. It seems to go against the law of nature.

But that is the point - it does go against nature!

[Chrysalis]

That's just it. The frequency of the occurence suggests that it doesnt go against nature, that it's a twist in evo-psych that, interpreted correctly, may show some insight. There are plenty of tose paradoxes in the Game, e.g. how to approach but be high value/not be desperate?

Fantasies and porn are one thing, actually happening is another. Frankly, I'm drawing a blank here. I was hoping for someone more intelligent/inspired/insightful/experienced than myself to shed some light on this.

[Mage]

(07-09-2013 04:58 AM)Chrysalis Wrote:  

That's just it. The frequency of the occurence suggests that it doesnt go against nature, that it's a twist in evo-psych that, interpreted correctly, may show some insight. There are plenty of tose paradoxes in the Game, e.g. how to approach but be high value/not be desperate?

Fantasies and porn are one thing, actually happening is another. Frankly, I'm drawing a blank here. I was hoping for someone more intelligent/inspired/insightful/experienced than myself to shed some light on this.

Frequency of occurrence? Where? In USA? In porn? Ever heard of selection bias?

By you logic a cheeseburger is natural food because McDonalds is more common then an ajurvedic restaurant

[SexyBack]

Are you convinced there's an evolutionary explenation for fantansies in general, and selective ones in particular?

If you go ask 1000 women if they've ever fantasized about having sex with two men at the same time, most will tell you they have. A large portion will then follow up saying it was clearly just the imagination and they aren't remotely interested in acting out on that particular fantasy.

Law of nature always allows for exceptions and doesn't explain everything. Same sex relations for instance. Doesn't make any sense in evotional terms does it? Still exists.

[Chrysalis]

(07-09-2013 06:35 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(07-09-2013 04:58 AM)Chrysalis Wrote:  

That's just it. The frequency of the occurence suggests that it doesnt go against nature, that it's a twist in evo-psych that, interpreted correctly, may show some insight. There are plenty of tose paradoxes in the Game, e.g. how to approach but be high value/not be desperate?

Fantasies and porn are one thing, actually happening is another. Frankly, I'm drawing a blank here. I was hoping for someone more intelligent/inspired/insightful/experienced than myself to shed some light on this.

Frequency of occurrence? Where? In USA? In porn? Ever heard of selection bias?

By you logic a cheeseburger is natural food because McDonalds is more common then an ajurvedic restaurant

No, by my logic an easily available (low price and lots of places to buy it) food that caters to most evolutionary triggers will be the most sold food, even if it's unhealthy.

Guys, I'm trying to figure out an irregularity in behavior, if I may draw a parallel, think of shit tests. You may write it off with "women are just crazy", or you may figure out a way to pass them and you may even come to a conclusion that if you get a shit test, she actually likes you.

C'mon, brain up.

[Chrysalis]

(07-09-2013 06:47 AM)SexyBack Wrote:  

Are you convinced there's an evolutionary explenation for fantansies in general, and selective ones in particular?

If you go ask 1000 women if they've ever fantasized about having sex with two men at the same time, most will tell you they have. A large portion will then follow up saying it was clearly just the imagination and they aren't remotely interested in acting out on that particular fantasy.

Law of nature always allows for exceptions and doesn't explain everything. Same sex relations for instance. Doesn't make any sense in evotional terms does it? Still exists.

I stated several times fantasies and porn are not the subject here.

And homos CAN be explained by evo. Even in lesbian relationships there is a masculine one, and a submissive one.

[Blackhawk]

eck. I can only think of the Lonely Island song:

It's not gay when it's in a three-way
With a honey in the middle there's some leeway...

[Chapped3rdEye]

Not really seeing the mystery here. If two guys whom she finds attractive (IE she'd fuck them individually) are willing to share, what's the downside for her?

[amity]

some chicks are definitely curious about MMFs and want to experiment with it
all that stops them is the fear of being considered a slut if others find out
an ex of mine had two MMFs, one which "just happened", and another which was planned with a (get this!) guy she was having an affair with and and his buddy/colleague!
it was all kept hush hush, she told nobody(but i bet they did!), they went to some out of town hotel and partied it up and got their MMF on during the festivities (sadly they didn't film it!)
i remember when she volunteered this information to me about this stuff, my jaw hit the floor, i was stunned!
can't believe she thought it would be a good idea to tell me about her sexploits and expect me to still want a LTR
(she would have been perfect f$ckbuddy material though had i been less of a beta gimp at the time)