[TravelHardcore]

Quick update. Fisto's out of his depression and the trip out to Boracay has already started out legendary. More news later, celebrenating with beers on board now.

Shout out to MaleDefined for gaming the ticket agent girls!

[Beyond Borders]

I'm sure this has been covered already, but are you and Fisto pretty much sold on The Philippines over Thailand at this point?

[Vacancier Permanent]

I am curious to hear their thoughts as well. I did write on that topic a while ago, if I can find that thread, I'll post a link to it. Here are some pros of both countries off the top of my head:

LOS wins in:
- overall infrastructures which is way more developped than the Phils.
- quality and overall food diversity and healthy food.
- higher quality of hotels, you get better bang for your buck hotels wise.
- girls are more beautiful, sophisticated and sexier in LOS.
- more things to do during the day and more cultural, sports, outdoor things to do than the Phils.
- faster internet.
- overall, LOS feels and is safer than the Phils, provided you do not behave as an arrogant prick.

Areas where the Phils are better:
- English speaking country, easier to communicate with people and girls.
- Tagalog as a language is easier to learn than Thai.
- Extremely easy to meet and bang girls .You can literally have a fresh new 18 year each day! some of the girls are truly incredibly sweet and sexy.
- Stunning beaches, some of them almost totally deserted and all for yourself if you went just a little bit off the beaten path.
- Visa rules a lot more friendlier than in LOS. You can basically stay up to almost 3 years in the Phils continously. Try that in LOS legally.
- More favorable overall climate to start and register a business in the Phils.

Both make great destinations for baselining specially for guys who are running or starting an online biz as you can live pretty good there for 1.5k/month and at 2k/month, live very nicely. If you are careful, 1k/month can be done in both countries.

All in all, if you want to run through an incredible amount of girls, then the Phils are very hard to match, let alone beat. If you want a more, balanced and overall total package and not just girls, then LOS is where it's at. I love both places and can't wait to return in both of them!

(07-12-2013 03:57 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

I'm sure this has been covered already, but are you and Fisto pretty much sold on The Philippines over Thailand at this point?

[DirectDanger]

Scotian did a great job in breaking down Bangkok vs Manila already in this thread...

Bangkok Vs Manila & game in SE Asia
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-23656.html

I agree with most everything Vacancier Permanent says but I would take exception to one thing...
"LOS wins in: - girls are more beautiful, sophisticated and sexier in LOS."

I found it much easier to date up way higher on the social food chain in Manila. In a much shorter period of time I was able to date semi-famous actresses/musicians (nothing big time). In my years in BKK I dated some wealthy girls and some so-called models but nothing on the same caliber. I found that the higher the value the girl in Bangkok the more likely she is going to pick another high value Thai guy over a Farang. In Manila or Jakarta it was much easier to get top-tier girls.

[Vacancier Permanent]

DD,
Totally agree with you about the higher quality of talent in Manila. I should have mentioned that my experience in the Phils is strictly limited to Cebu. And I can totally see that in Manila, one would have access to a much higher calibre of girls, both in looks and social conditions, than say in a sleeping back water 2nd tier city, if not outright shit hole, as Cebu City.

[Beyond Borders]

(07-12-2013 01:20 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

- quality and overall food diversity and healthy food.

This has been a big one for me. Call me bitch-made but food is very important to me. I love the diversity of Thai food - something I think a lot of foreigners never get a chance to check out as it seems they stick with menu of certain dishes. Most English menus never have the full spectrum of the kitchen available even. I never eat so good as I do when I go out with my male Thai friends to local spots.

I don't think I'll ever get tired of Thai food. When I get burnt on certain dishes, there's always something new.

Quote:

- girls are more beautiful, sophisticated and sexier in LOS.

Quote:

- Extremely easy to meet and bang girls .You can literally have a fresh new 18 year each day! some of the girls are truly incredibly sweet and sexy.

This is a complicated situation that leaves me confused when thinking about Philippines. Maybe the women are higher-quality in Thailand, but if those higher-quality birds are not available to us than Phils seems the obvious choice. From the stories I'm reading it seems that top of the line girls are open to dating white boys in the Philippines. Not exactly the case in Thailand.

So if considering the laws of relativity, it would seem the more sophisticated, hotter women are actually in the island country, as far as it pertains to us anyways.

Thoughts?

Quote:

- Visa rules a lot more friendlier than in LOS. You can basically stay up to almost 3 years in the Phils continously. Try that in LOS legally.
- More favorable overall climate to start and register a business in the Phils.

These two issues are both tempting me.

[DirectDanger]

Quote:

Quote:

- Visa rules a lot more friendlier than in LOS. You can basically stay up to almost 3 years in the Phils continously. Try that in LOS legally.
- More favorable overall climate to start and register a business in the Phils.

These two issues are both tempting me.

The fact that the Philippines is now giving out 6 months visas that makes things way easier.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20433-...#pid484428

Having to take that shitty mini van trip to Laos every 90 days was such a pain in the ass.

[20Nation]

I really think that Philippine girls and Thai girls are so different that it's really difficult to say one is better than the other, or even to say one is easier.

[TravelHardcore]

I've been 3 times to the Phils and last time I spent two months here and I must say, the longer I stay the more I like it.

My first impression was horrible as I stayed in the bad part of Manila (Malate / Ermita). This place was full of homeless people, hookers, beggars and sex tourists.

But now that I've been living there for a longer period of time, Phils have grown on me.

VP has a great break down right here!

(07-12-2013 01:20 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

LOS wins in:
- quality and overall food diversity and healthy food.

It's delicious food and can be cheap. But honestly by now I'm sick of it. It's rice, rice, rice, rice, noodles. If you're aiming at a low or lower carb diet, you're fucked. If you order the foods without rice, they will sustain your for about 20 minutes before you're hungry again. It's very hard to find decent protein here. You'll have to eat Western food and then the quality will suck or the price will be high.

Thai food is cheap, but also the portions are small, so you'll need to eat double portions. Now I'm supplementing my Thai foods by eating the 7/11 pre-cooked eggs and drinking lots of milk.

I'm lucky cause right now I found a restaurant near my place with a 250g great steak for 320b.

(07-12-2013 01:20 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

- higher quality of hotels, you get better bang for your buck hotels wise.

For real. I can't believe how even the crappiest hotels in the Phils manage to be more expensive. Especially here it will be better value to rent for a month.

(07-12-2013 01:20 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

- more things to do during the day and more cultural, sports, outdoor things to do than the Phils.

You could pick up some boxing classes in the Phils. Boxing is popular there and there are many gyms (national hero Manny Pacquiao).

(07-12-2013 01:20 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

- faster internet.

Yeah, this annoyed the hell out of me in the Philippines. The 3G sucked so bad. I had to reset my Internet every 15 minutes (switch on Airplane mode and switch off again). I had GLOBE: it sucekd. But when I bought a SMART 3G usb stick for my laptop that sucked as well.

Quick tip: YOU HAVE TO USE THE PROMOTION CODES. If you don't do it, calling, texting and Internet will be actually expensive.

(07-12-2013 01:20 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

- overall, LOS feels and is safer than the Phils, provided you do not behave as an arrogant prick.

There's a reason all businesses and restaurants have armed security guards. However I've never experienced anything negative regarding safety there.

(07-12-2013 01:20 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Areas where the Phils are better:
- English speaking country, easier to communicate with people and girls.
- Tagalog as a language is easier to learn than Thai.
- Extremely easy to meet and bang girls .You can literally have a fresh new 18 year each day! some of the girls are truly incredibly sweet and sexy.
- Stunning beaches, some of them almost totally deserted and all for yourself if you went just a little bit off the beaten path.
- Visa rules a lot more friendlier than in LOS. You can basically stay up to almost 3 years in the Phils continously. Try that in LOS legally.
- More favorable overall climate to start and register a business in the Phils.

Agreed. What's also a BIG one that make me even prefer the Phils over Thailand is the general mentality of the people.

For Thai people the world is divided in two groups: Thai people and non-Thai people. Farang being a subsection of the latter.

Generally they really don't care too much about anything non Thai.

What food do you like?
-Thai food.

You don't like anything else, Italian, Middle Eastern, Mexican, French,...?
-No, I don't like farang food..

They don't even make the distinction: Non-Thai food is farang food.



It's great that the Thai have such a strong cultural identity. But too often it is in combination with close-mindedness and a lack of intellectual curiosity. This is observed less so with the Thai that have actually travelled or lived abroad, but many of them haven't of course.

Compare this to Pinoy, they are much more open to other cultures and display much bigger intrinsic interest in the world beyond Philippines. Even if they haven't travelled beyond Asia or even their own country.

[WanderingSoul]

The Thai good thing cracks me up. Half of the girls on TF list Thai food as their favorite food. They don't even say something like Som Tom, they just say Thai food. I don't think any American would ever say American food is his favorite. It would be something like steak or pizza, not just straight up American food.

I'm also ungodly sick of Thai food. Small portions, white rice, lack of protein, drives me crazy. And it really isn't that cheap. I spend $3-$5 per meal on street food if I want something decent. I just got two pieces of grill chicken, Som Tom and sticky rice for 140 baht, just shy of $5. Not exactly expensive, but not cheap either. Eat 3-4 meals a day and you are runnin up a $400-$600 monthly food bill. I'm not one of those guys who can live on 3 30 baht meals per day.

THC, you back in BKK? How long you here for?

[TravelHardcore]

(07-31-2013 06:23 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

THC, you back in BKK? How long you here for?

Yes, back in Bangkok. I'll be here for around 3 more weeks I guess.

(07-31-2013 06:23 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

The Thai good thing cracks me up. Half of the girls on TF list Thai food as their favorite food.

ThaiFriendly: Another thing that annoyed me when I came back from the Philippines. I tried to apply the same strategy as I used, very succesfully I may add, on Filipino Cupid... but that doesn't fly here.

Just opening the FC website would get me bombarded with messages, I'd see the counter of "people who added you as a favorite" go up in real time. I had to turn of the sound of my laptop for all the "interests received".

Granted, these views and interests are not all of girls you'd wanna bang. But following Fisto's approach and sending out messages simply: "Hey, I'm very busy, leave your number if you want to hang out" would get a response rate of about 80%, amazing.

That approach does NOT work of ThaiFriendly. I got hardly ANY response with this very direct approach.

"Hey, what's your skype of line ID" did some what better, but still nothing to brag about.

It's because these girls get overloaded by messages from farang every single day. Especially the higher quality ones. But even the avarage or below avarage girls on that site will get messages and comments on how beautiful they are and how amazing their pictures look by tons of loser farangs.

Result: inflated self esteem and bitchy attitudes.

I have now changed my approach in where I actually make fun of them from the first message and my response rate has gone up by a LOT. It's still not close to the FC rate and it's more time consuming coming up with the witty texts.

I'll elaborate on this later.

[worldwidetraveler]

(07-31-2013 05:44 AM)TravelHardcore Wrote:  

It's delicious food and can be cheap. But honestly by now I'm sick of it. It's rice, rice, rice, rice, noodles. If you're aiming at a low or lower carb diet, you're fucked. If you order the foods without rice, they will sustain your for about 20 minutes before you're hungry again. It's very hard to find decent protein here. You'll have to eat Western food and then the quality will suck or the price will be high.

Don't they sell chicken in grocery stores there?

[TravelHardcore]

(07-31-2013 07:10 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Don't they sell chicken in grocery stores there?

No they don't have it at my grocery store. Plus I have no way to prepare food at my place, there's not even a microwave oven.

In the Phils I'd eat at places like "Andoks", 250 pesos for a full grilled chicken.

[worldwidetraveler]

(07-31-2013 07:46 AM)TravelHardcore Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 07:10 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Don't they sell chicken in grocery stores there?

No they don't have it at my grocery store. Plus I have no way to prepare food at my place, there's not even a microwave oven.

In the Phils I'd eat at places like "Andoks", 250 pesos for a full grilled chicken.

That sucks. I used to read a blog from a guy living in the Phils. He hired a woman to come in and cook a bunch of food that would last him for several days to a week.

Maybe you can get some of your women to cook up food at home and bring it to you. That is if you can find some chicken or other protein sources.

Heat that shit up at 711. hah

[Sp5]

Interesting perspectives. I am also torn between PI and Thailand. I unlocked the food issue in Manila, and you can get cheap protein in the PI, but I can also buy a couple of nice grilled fish here for 80 baht.

In the end, Manila ends up being "not so bad" - an archipelago of "nice" places like malls, Fort Bonifacio, Ortigas, Greenbelt, etc., surrounded by what Dan Brown called in his latest novel "the gates of hell" (which caused a ruffle in the Filipino press).

Bangkok is a world-class city, with all kinds of cultural events and little undiscovered places. Feels a lot safer than Manila, it's cleaner, the air is better and it's quieter.

The only thing is, Filipinas are better than Thai girls.

[TravelHardcore]

I've been back in Bangkok for about a week now, so time for a small update.

After a week of "goodby Philippines"-bangs and week of "welcome back to Bangkok"-bangs, I started feeling kind of annoyed. I do realize this is very much a next world problem. I had re-banged different girls nearly every day and I was very happy to see them all again. But, it didn't sit right that I didn't have new pussy for nearly 2 weeks.

This feeling that was reinforced everytime I went outside and saw beautiful girls everywhere I looked. I just can't resist and since last weekend I'm back on track. But I've been running into some crazy LMR.

Here's what happened.

I accidentally got back in touch with a girl I number closed about 9 months ago when I first came here. I tell her I'm back in Thailand and we decide to meet up (it can be good not to erase numbers from your phone!).

All pretty standard routine from there and one hour later she's in my room "to watch some pictures".

It's been a while since I ran into some challenging LMR but this one was LMR from the top shelf.

I knew she wanted to be kissed, but when I tried she pulled back. My new approach in this situation is to force-kiss. Read more on SwoopTheWorld: The Kiss test.

Remember women want to avoid all responsibility in the process of getting laid. You have to make things happen.

Anyway, I did a lot of caveman'ing from there on. Picking her up, throwing her on the bed. I was not in the mood for too much bullshit so I stepped it up to see how far I could go. I nearly ripped off every piece of clothing while she's pretending not to like it.

But when I go for the panties she looked me dead in the eye and said: "NO!" (like she means it).

Okay: reframing and humor to the rescue. I step it back a moment, we make out some more, chilling. But when I try to re-escalate, AGAIN she won't let me touch her pussy. I pull out the Fisto-invented routine for this exact situation.

"Let. Me. Feel. Your. Pussy. NOW." and get your hand in there.

And of course... wet as a swimming pool.

"I don't want this!"
- Well, your pussy is very wet.
"Well, yeah,.. euh,... yes, of course!" *blushing*

5 minutes later I'm banging her hard and she's screaming I'm coming.

From "NO I DON'T WANT THIS" to deeply enjoying hard sex in 5 mintues: women.



Read about another example of hilarious LMR I ran into this weekend in the new series "Women: Eye roll " on SwoopTheWorld.

[WanderingSoul]

PM me your number, I think I'm goin out this weekend with some people. Ill hit you up.

[Acute Angle]

(07-31-2013 11:12 PM)TravelHardcore Wrote:  

But when I go for the panties she looked me dead in the eye and said: "NO!" (like she means it).

Okay: reframing and humor to the rescue. I step it back a moment, we make out some more, chilling. But when I try to re-escalate, AGAIN she won't let me touch her pussy. I pull out the Fisto-invented routine for this exact situation...

Well handled. But I suggest this post could carry some sort of health warning for noobs: "Only do this if you have plenty of experience with LMR and can calibrate very well."

Some guys could end up in prison (or worse) if they can't read women well. I tend to think, "If I was recording this, how would it sound to a neutral observer? Or a cop? Or a judge?"

No criticism of you, THC. I just think guys need to protect their freedom first. No pussy is worth going to jail for.

[Vicious]

AA, this is Asia not the US.

[Aliblahba]

Protein is in abundance in the Phils:

   


   


   


The fastest way to eat cheap and clean is to find a lower class girl and ask her where she eats out.

[Beyond Borders]

(08-01-2013 07:27 AM)Acute Angle Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 11:12 PM)TravelHardcore Wrote:  

But when I go for the panties she looked me dead in the eye and said: "NO!" (like she means it).

Okay: reframing and humor to the rescue. I step it back a moment, we make out some more, chilling. But when I try to re-escalate, AGAIN she won't let me touch her pussy. I pull out the Fisto-invented routine for this exact situation...

Well handled. But I suggest this post could carry some sort of health warning for noobs: "Only do this if you have plenty of experience with LMR and can calibrate very well."

Some guys could end up in prison (or worse) if they can't read women well. I tend to think, "If I was recording this, how would it sound to a neutral observer? Or a cop? Or a judge?"

No criticism of you, THC. I just think guys need to protect their freedom first. No pussy is worth going to jail for.

(08-01-2013 07:47 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

AA, this is Asia not the US.

I have to agree with Acute Angle on this, as I had the same feeling when reading the post. It takes an experienced guy to pull something off like this without running the risk of getting themselves in trouble. Perhaps the cops won't do much, though they may negotiate a financial mediation, but if she does have some second thoughts, it could end up with some local guys getting pissed off and showing up at your door, which is never a good thing in these parts. The life of a white man is not worth much here - now imagine if some guy's daughter or gf makes up a story of white boy raping her in hopes to preserve her dignity?

I actually had a somewhat minor scare once of this nature in Thailand. I used to have this move where I'd be mostly hands-off with a girl in public, as is expected with halfway-decent women there, but if I was reading the right signs then as soon as we stepped into the elevator on the way up to my room I'd push her against the wall and start making out with her - kind of an "ok no one's looking so let's turn it up 5 notches thing" and this had always had great results for me transitioning the situation fast and skipping most of the LMR when we got to the room.

Works killer with American women too.

Anyways, I picked up this Thai girl one night who did not seem to have much experience with foreign guys at all, but a Japanese dude I was hanging out with was seducing her friend and it ended up with her going home with me as there was "only one bed." She said the usual "we just go sleep" bit, and we know what that means - on the way in the tuk tuk she was getting all lovey and hanging on me, putting hands on my leg and all that. So she seemed to know the score and be properly heated up in my eyes.

Well, we stepped into the elevator and I went for my signature move, putting my hand on her waist and turning her towards me while pushing her against the wall of the elevator for a makeout when the door closed. Just taking control.

Uh oh - not this time. She flipped the fuck out and started screaming and I jumped back like 'what the fuck?" I'd never in my life ever been accused of trying to be indecent with or rape anyone, but I felt like that was what was going on, and here I am the only farang in this neighborhood let alone building. I tried to calm her down to no avail while she's screaming bloody murder and when we got to my floor stepped out but she wouldn't budge and closed the door real quick and headed back downstairs.

I should have just gone to bed and said fuck it but I wanted to plead my case, and I was drunk as hell, so I went downstairs to talk with her and she was sitting on the corner in front of my building crying like a legitimate rape or murder victim or something and on the phone with her friend. She had some rough-looking guy come get her and they took off after we had a few words (I shouldn't even have been there by this point, but like I said I was pretty drunk).

I think the Thai came with half a mind to teach me a lesson, by the look in his eyes, but when he saw my pissed off body language and the relative size of me I don't think he wanted to go there. I knew it was dumb but I was offended, embarrassed, and pissed off enough to brawl a Thai over this, consequences be damned. I mean, this was my home here - I'd lived in that building 3 1/2 years and all these older folks are just now getting up to go to work and who knows what this bitch is hollering about me.

The next morning when I got up I half-expected some guys to be waiting for me downstairs as I had no idea what type of shit she'd said really happened when the guy saw she went with a farang. I came out of the elevator with a pen in my pocket, ready to stab some fools in the neck if I had to, but no one was there.

Anyways, kind of a long, pointless story - all I'm trying to say is that even if we think we have a handle on what's going on out here, things can turn ugly in a hot second. I personally think THC is playing with fire a bit in the above post.

I do realize him and Fisto pull this stuff off a lot, and they have a lot more game and have banged a lot more women than I have, so I certainly respect the intuitive knowledge they've gained in this department. But at the same time I personally wouldn't be all that surprised if someone following that line of conquest had it backfire on him in a bad way.

Not to mention that with as many notches as you guys get on a weekly basis, the level of persistence seems a little more risky than what it's worth.

In any case, I agree with AA that at least the noobs should be very careful with this type of behavior. I'll trust the veterans know what they're doing. That's my two cents anyways - carry on.

[Beyond Borders]

(08-01-2013 08:04 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Protein is in abundance in the Phils:

Plenty in Thailand too. My favorite meal is the barbecue chicken with papaya salad (thai-style not isaan) and I could eat it almost every day. A hunk of barbecued pork is always readily available as well and goes well with the papaya salad. Fish, duck, beef everywhere. To me, the veggies seem harder to come across than protein and I often find myself eating a lot of fruit or just snacking on the cucumber that comes with meals instead of getting proper vegetables. But you can always order some sauteed morning glory or mixed vegetables or whatever.

Honestly, it always surprises me that some guys get tired of the food in Thailand. It's so ridiculously diverse there. I get burnt on certain dishes sometimes but then I just switch it up for a while.

But I do understand it's not for everyone.

Good to hear some guys dig Filipino food as it's the one thing I've worried about when planning my trip there; I've read a lot of mixed reviews on the cuisine.

[WanderingSoul]

(08-01-2013 08:20 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 08:04 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Protein is in abundance in the Phils:

Plenty in Thailand too. My favorite meal is the barbecue chicken with papaya salad (thai-style not isaan) and I could eat it almost every day. A hunk of barbecued pork is always readily available as well and goes well with the papaya salad. Fish, duck, beef everywhere. To me, the veggies seem harder to come across than protein and I often find myself eating a lot of fruit or just snacking on the cucumber that comes with meals instead of getting proper vegetables. But you can always order some sauteed morning glory or mixed vegetables or whatever.

Honestly, it always surprises me that some guys get tired of the food in Thailand. It's so ridiculously diverse there. I get burnt on certain dishes sometimes but then I just switch it up for a while.

But I do understand it's not for everyone.

Good to hear some guys dig Filipino food as it's the one thing I've worried about when planning my trip there; I've read a lot of mixed reviews on the cuisine.

Aside from grilled chicken and grilled fish, it is hard to get a large amount of protein in a Thai meal unless you order 3 plates of larb or something like that.

Most meals have very little protein. If you are aiming to take in 150 or more grams per day, it can be very difficult. The grilled pork is good, but super fatty. I can only eat so many grilled chicken legs/thighs or fish per day. The grilled chicken is great, but it is thighs/legs with the skin on, so it has a lot of fat and is super greasy as well.

I love grilled chicken with som tom and sticky rice. I ate it yesterday and it was delicious. Unfortunately I was shitting half of the night. It was freshly grilled, so not sure why. There is two grilled chicken stands by my condo. I got sick from one yesterday, and the other one chops up their cooked chicken with the same knife, and on the same cutting board, as they do their raw pork and chicken. So I'm down from 2 to 0 grilled chicken stands, which fucking sucks because as you said, it's delicious.

My main problem with Thai food though is just that I am sick of rice. Thai food is diverse, but you eat rice with everything, so it isn't all that diverse. If I try to eat Thai food with no rice or noodles I would never get full.

I disagree about beef being everywhere. Thais don't eat much beef at all, and it is expensive here. There is a lot of duck around, but it is generally always either 5 or 6 small slices of duck with noodles, or with rice. Duck larb is fantastic, but not so easy to find.

Aside from grilled fish or chicken, most Thai meals are low on protein and high in fat or carbs. kai diow is great, but that is just eggs deep fried in very questionable oil and thrown over a bed of white rice. Not healthy for you at all. Just like in most of the world outside of the rest, Thai meals are a little bit of protein with a lot of rice or vegetables.

Anyways, I think BB is right that Thai food is diverse, but it isn't a good option for someone looking for a high protein/lower carb diet.

That's my rant for the day hah.

[scotian]

U.S. tourist stabbed to death with iron rod in Thailand: http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/31/...-thailand/

[Aliblahba]

Are none of you guys in SEA learning how to cook?