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From what i read he had two major iterations of his game.
Both versions use the same model for getting numbers. Talk to girl on the street for 60 seconds or less.
The first iteration was date game with snl on the first date.
The second iteration was inviting the girl straight to his apartment.
The keys are:
Get lots of numbers.
Only date monday through thursday.
Screen by starting the date at 10pm.
Pay for her drinks.
Invite her home after 2 drinks ~ this would be about midnight.

Part of the reason this works is:
In nyc it is very safe for girls to take taxis or train alone late at night.
Taxis and train are very reliable all night long.
The girls have plenty of experience staying out late.
No one cares if you are tired or hungover at work as long as you pull through the day.
None of the girls live with family.
At the time he was doing this taxis were even cheaper than they are today.

One other thing he stressed was that he would drink club soda to save on money and stay sober. I have no idea how he did this! If i order a vodka soda or gin and tonic nine times out of ten girls accuse me of drinking water and will smell or taste my drink to make sure i'm drinking.

One thing to keep in mind. He was doing this before tinder and before online dating went mainstream. Girls who werent into the bar and club scene had a lot fewer options for fast sex then.

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Another interesting thing is that his daygame style is very different than what most posters on the forum talk about.
He is not super sincere and loving the moment like krauser.
He is not doing a ramble like roosh.
He is not a fun bro like gll.
He is not trying to impress with pua dhvs ugh.
He just comes across like a normal guy who is chill and smart and is interested in getting to know the girl a bit better.

[floor7]

(12-23-2014 07:01 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Looks+Height +Harvard+ DiligentGamePractice--- How could he NOT get girls..

EVERYTHING except unusual wealth or fame was in place.

Smoking models who aren't world famous dream of bringing a guy like him home to mom and dad instead of the good-looking bartender who isn't too bright .

People who attend Harvard refer to telling dates they attend Harvard as "the H-Bomb" because it intimidates them so much.

I jealousy-hate the guy because he can snare out of my league.

However I have to admit he answered my game question once, I asked how could so many girls live in Manhattan when it's so expensive, he said their dads subsidize the rent.

It only works for men. I've been with a couple of Harvard women (no they weren't as attractive as the ones in the wb/wnb Harvard thread - they were 6's) and even though I knew they went there and they knew that I knew, any time college came up they still said 'when I was in boston'.

Harvard women hate saying they went there if they are out dating/hooking up in the general public.

[floor7]

(12-23-2014 12:45 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Heard about him for a while. Not surprise at all that with the work he puts in he would get that much success.

I used to think those kinds of stories are just hype, but after I got my new model wingman and getting mindblown over and over again, it becomes very clear. This is a shot of my wingman. He's jacked as shit too, and has very solid Mystery Method game. We game in Paris.

He doesn't even go out to do "active" game. All he does is game every girl he runs into when out and about or at social circle, and already he's got more pussies than he could handle.

The other night we were taking a salsa lesson. He was looking for a partner and the hottest blonde in the room that everybody was goggling tap him on the shoulder "Are you gonna dance with me or not?" He only talked to her 5 minutes before that at the start of the night. Later he shows me the texts and the girl was already calling him "baby".

The other day we were smoking outside of class, and some cute girls approach him "do you have some chewing gums for me?" And girls eyefuck him every 5 secs on the street.

I can only imagine the success if he goes laser-focused on hunting and orient his entire lifestyle on it.

I've come to think about look this way: it's a game multiplier. If you have solid game then it blows your success rate to pussy paradise. But if your game is zero then zero x 10000 is still zero. With good looks you put in less effort for the same quality, but you still have to put in effort.

Your bro looks like Eden Hazard. Though given his height/frame if Hazard were to game in NYC, he would struggle comparatively to his status.

[peterthephoenix]

Why do people always try to discredit hard work?

Guys are fools if you think girls just fall on to your dick because you're good looking. Especially to break over a couple hundred notches like he has.

Janka has spent years honing his craft, I have mad respect for his game.

[memcpy]

His game from what I can tell relies heavily on screening for girls. (no first date) Just girls that want to go straight to his apartment. Seems straightforward enough.

[DarkTriad]

(12-23-2014 10:28 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 07:01 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Looks+Height +Harvard+ DiligentGamePractice--- How could he NOT get girls..

EVERYTHING except unusual wealth or fame was in place.

Smoking models who aren't world famous dream of bringing a guy like him home to mom and dad instead of the good-looking bartender who isn't too bright .

People who attend Harvard refer to telling dates they attend Harvard as "the H-Bomb" because it intimidates them so much.

I jealousy-hate the guy because he can snare out of my league.

However I have to admit he answered my game question once, I asked how could so many girls live in Manhattan when it's so expensive, he said their dads subsidize the rent.

Dropping the H-bomb works on k-selected provider Game. Pussies don't get wet by degrees or physics PhDs would be swimming in it.

He usually did not even go on dates and his Game model was highly concentrated on: "I live close. I wanna fuck. You up for it tonight?" Just put more eloquently and with a high automatic rejection rate.

IIRC, it was a little slicker than that. Invite them on a date, have them meet at his apartment, offer cocktails while he finished "getting ready" and then keep escalating till they left or he got the bang (never going on the actual date).

[Travesty]

(12-23-2014 07:10 PM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  

Why do people always try to discredit hard work?

Guys are fools if you think girls just fall on to your dick because you're good looking. Especially to break over a couple hundred notches like he has.

Janka has spent years honing his craft, I have mad respect for his game.

I've had several friends as good looking or better. Opportunities come to them and they have had GF's or non-existent game. Yes girls do just fall on your dick if you are past a certain line in looks.

No GF's and a small amount of game in NYC would have them in the same realm. No doubts about it.

I respect a guy like Krauser ten fold more than Janka as far as raw abilities.

[OGNorCal707]

Janka's game is legit, back when I used to binge on any game related materials I could find I watched a bunch of his videos, and it's all great practical advice. That said, like everyone has pointed out he is above average in looks and slightly in height which are obvious advantages. A good friend of mine is lucky enough to be very tall and good looking and girls literally do throw themselves at him a lot of times. If you are this lucky game isn't very necessary and will only give you a major boost if you're trying to hit high notch numbers or elite top tier 8+ looks.

[Pride male]

I was at the club with good looking friend of mine (no homo). An HB 7 approached him and said, 'I like what I see!'

[Rush87]

(12-22-2014 09:38 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

Firstly, attractiveness is not everything- game is real. See Krauser. If you do 1000s of approaches you can get a subtle calibration that will boost your results by orders of magnitude. Ordinary looking guys can get a magnetic vibe after years of practice. These is what makes them elite.

Secondly, and to add to nuance to that, Janka IS a very attractive guy. Sometimes this is hard for us men to realise. What seems to be a slight difference in facial aesthetics can actually be a very wide looks gap.

Take this famous OK Cupid test - the image shows the number of unsolicited mails received by each man.



To me, I could almost say, eh, the guys that got 2 or 12 responses are almost as goodlooking as the guy that got 38. Maybe the top guy just has a better photo. But actually, to women, that guy's looks are top tier and he gets 10x the response. I think Janka is indeed in that top tier male model category.

A lot of guys seem to have a tough time understanding what an attractive guy looks like.

They usually undervalue attributes such as bone structure & overrate factors such as bicep size.

Anyway, thats my one 'no homo' post for the day out of the way.

[Rush87]

(12-24-2014 01:23 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

I was at the club with good looking friend of mine (no homo). An HB 7 approached him and said, 'I like what I see!'

My best friend since childhood would probably rate as high as a guy can get [without being a celebrity] and when he goes out 100% of the time 7's and 8's [And sometimes 9's] will approach him essentially asking for sex.

Where he struggles is on the very rare occasion that he meets a female equivalent. It's probably the one moment I have the same chances of pulling the girl as he does: A female 6 on the other hand, I'll lose everytime.

[Pride male]

Do girls get wet just by looking at a good looking guy the same way a guy gets a boner in the presence of a hot chick?

I have seen women's jaws drop, hair twirling and girls act silly in front of a handsome dude.

[Switch]

The guy is obviously a male 10 in looks. Then you couple that with thousands of approaches, constantly getting better, NYC and prime logistics...that's the result you are going to get. Anyone who does 1000 approaches will be very good at game. It is simple, really. As I'm finding out, it is always just a matter of doing the work. Winners are doers, losers are don'ters.

[heavy]

...and the Cunning Linguist Award goes to...

(12-23-2014 12:48 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

If you're out in Bumblefuck, Idaho, you can be Dr. Paul Janka Krauser Mystery Sr. the third and you'll have better luck fucking a potato.

Congrats
   

[El Chinito loco]

(12-24-2014 01:47 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

A lot of guys seem to have a tough time understanding what an attractive guy looks like.

They usually undervalue attributes such as bone structure & overrate factors such as bicep size.

Anyway, thats my one 'no homo' post for the day out of the way.

It's because a lot of guys mistake charisma with handsomeness. Men see value in another man having charisma but most men (unless you're gay) don't care about a man's relative attractiveness. A man can be charismatic and good with socializing with men and fail at women too. Seen this type quite a few times.

Women love natural mesomorphs with a long upper body, broad shoulders, lean muscle, and long legs. Every single guy that i've seen a woman get immediately crazy over has this body type. The face just needs to have a nice masculine jawline. Even if a guy isn't tall but looks proportionate with an above average face he is still good to go.

Paul Janka fits the mesomorph profile very well.

[JJ Roberts]

(12-23-2014 03:09 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

Seriously, does anyone know a really good looking guy who has trouble getting laid? I dont.

Yes.

[Travesty]

(12-24-2014 10:26 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 01:47 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

A lot of guys seem to have a tough time understanding what an attractive guy looks like.

They usually undervalue attributes such as bone structure & overrate factors such as bicep size.

Anyway, thats my one 'no homo' post for the day out of the way.

It's because a lot of guys mistake charisma with handsomeness. Men see value in another man having charisma but most men (unless you're gay) don't care about a man's relative attractiveness. A man can be charismatic and good with socializing with men and fail at women too. Seen this type quite a few times.

Women love natural mesomorphs with a long upper body, broad shoulders, lean muscle, and long legs. Every single guy that i've seen a woman get immediately crazy over has this body type. The face just needs to have a nice masculine jawline. Even if a guy isn't tall but looks proportionate with an above average face he is still good to go.

Paul Janka fits the mesomorph profile very well.

Yes many guys can't put together what makes an attractive male in pure looks by facial bone structure, eyes, symmetry, proportions etc...

A male 8 in pure looks (face is about 90%+ of this if the guy is 5'8" or taller) and gets treated on a relative scale that much better than a male 6 the same way a female 8 gets treated better than a female 6 all based on looks alone off the bat.

The only difference is how behavior changes once that male 8 opens his mouth for a couple minutes vs. a female 8 who will always be treated well no matter what she says.

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(12-24-2014 12:32 AM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 10:28 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 07:01 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Looks+Height +Harvard+ DiligentGamePractice--- How could he NOT get girls..

EVERYTHING except unusual wealth or fame was in place.

Smoking models who aren't world famous dream of bringing a guy like him home to mom and dad instead of the good-looking bartender who isn't too bright .

People who attend Harvard refer to telling dates they attend Harvard as "the H-Bomb" because it intimidates them so much.

I jealousy-hate the guy because he can snare out of my league.

However I have to admit he answered my game question once, I asked how could so many girls live in Manhattan when it's so expensive, he said their dads subsidize the rent.

Dropping the H-bomb works on k-selected provider Game. Pussies don't get wet by degrees or physics PhDs would be swimming in it.

He usually did not even go on dates and his Game model was highly concentrated on: "I live close. I wanna fuck. You up for it tonight?" Just put more eloquently and with a high automatic rejection rate.

IIRC, it was a little slicker than that. Invite them on a date, have them meet at his apartment, offer cocktails while he finished "getting ready" and then keep escalating till they left or he got the bang (never going on the actual date).

As I said above Janka had two iterations of his model. In the first iteration he would meet girls at a lounge bar, buy them two drinks and then invite them over. The second iteration had them come straight to his place.

There is a lot of logistics gold in janka's pdf. And don't forget this shit is from 10 years ago. Good looking or not, he was way ahead of most of us in his logistics.

Some choice quotes:
* Most difficult women remain difficult.
* Always be prepared to walk from the pussy,
* I am usually out of the lounge after two drinks, sometimes three.
* I often say I know of a place where we can have another drink, and that I’m tired of this joint. They agree and ask “where?” Here you should be vague, ..Tell her it’s a spot uptown and then walk out, hail a cab and pile in.
* As the woman trails behind me at 2am, ascending the stairwell to my floor, I have the plan in place. There is only a single leather chair with ottoman in my apartment, and here she must sit. I’ve usually prepared before heading out that night, and so all the lights are off and there are a couple of candles and matches by the front door. I’ve found that women will tolerate most anything, provided the
experience is candle-lit

This quote is from here http://blog.juliaallison.com/Images/Paul...%20NYC.pdf

Quote:

Tell the bartender how it is - she works for you for the 2 hours or so you’ll be
there. I tell them I don’t drink but that I am meeting a lady, and that I don’t want her to
feel uncomfortable so could they please bring me seltzer waters, in a high-ball glass, with
a lime. And call it a Tom Collins. Or a Gin and Tonic if you prefer. Never leave your
drink, and don’t let the girl sip it – she will freak out, I guarantee you. If you go to the
bathroom, take it with you. When done, take both her glass and yours to the bar and give
them to the bartender. Also, I find that drinking 2 or 3 seltzers on top of the meal I ate an
hour before (solo or with a buddy) can be a challenge; I usually tell the bartender to make
mine almost entirely ice; hers, little ice and stiff.
Bring the drinks back (it’s best to order at the bar while she’s sitting on the couch
so she can’t hear the conversation) and do a nice little toast, making strong eye contact
when the glasses clink. Avoid giving orders to the waitress out loud because she may
here you say “Tom Collins” and respond, “I thought you were drinking seltzer” or
something worse. Advise them to NOT announce your drink when they hand it to you, as

[Giovonny]

This is very simple..

Looks + Game + Logistics + Free Time + Thousands of Approaches = Lots of numbers, dates & sex!

-Looks is mostly genetic. But, fashion, hair, grooming, body fat, muscularity, etc. all require effort and dedication.

-Game is sometimes genetic and upbringing, but, most often, it is the result of dedication and practice.

- Logistics is sometimes luck, but, we are all free to move to a better location if we want to.

- Free time is sometimes luck, but, we are all free to rearrange our priorities.

- Thousands of Approaches.. This is sheer effort. There are no shortcuts.

Paul Janka was born with good genetics and pedigree but he put the work in to become elite.

Many guys are born with genetics and pedigree, yet, they still struggle with women. Janka deserves credit because of his hard work and dedication.