Quote: (05-10-2013 03:37 PM)kerouac Wrote:
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Most of these problems deal with the lower classes. The upper classes don't care as much because they don't need to care; they can simply avoid the problem.
And since when in history have the upper classes cared about the plight of the underclasses?
Rich people are living better than ever, outsourcing their union/workers problems to far off lands where they don't have to hear about the problems anymore. Why would they, all of a sudden, look at the people who they used purely for their utility in some sort of new "white" light? Particularly now that they don't offer the same utility.
The upper classes don't have a national identity. Okay, some do, but the upper classes of the world have more in common with each other than their "lesser" national counterparts.
When you meet rich Iranians, Turks, Chinese, Russians, Italians, French, or whatever, they will get along much better in their cosmopolitan cliques than you can imagine. Point being, it's not so much of an ethnic issue, but an issue of class.
The lower classes in their respective countries feel "betrayed" but since when is this a new issue? Since when did the rich kids start caring about the poor kids?
True. For all this talk about crime on this thread (including one link of mine on Norway), Muslim immigrants are being made out to be more physically dangerous than they really are. As far as non-white immigration and its threat to Western culture, that’s obviously a different discussion, but a Youtube clip of some immigrant teenagers trying to act hard for cameras means nothing. The second video Teedub posted with the German woman was more meaningful because radical Islam should never be tolerated in any civilized part of the world.
Crime, on the other hand, doesn’t come from multiculturalism or racial diversity, or from being Muslim or black. Almost every country with a high crime rate has a high income disparity, with South Africa having the highest. There are other factors in various countries too, like effects of colonization, but the income gap is generally a strong predictor of crime rates.
Norway and Germany have some of the lowest crime rates in Europe and the world. Many predominately Muslim nations like Indonesia, Senegal, Mali, and several Arab nations also rank low in violent crime rates. Many diverse countries with substantial Muslim minorities like Singapore and Cameroon have some of the lowest levels of violent crime. You’re less likely to be a victim of a violent crime in any of these countries than you are in the United States.
Homogeneously white Eastern European countries have significantly higher crime rates, the highest in Europe. Like with African countries, some are worse than others. In Western Europe, the most violent cities are Glasgow and Belfast, both of which are close to 100% white. Not Paris, Berlin, Oslo, London, or any of the nearby Scottish cities with more ethnic diversity, but two nearly all-white cities. I guess it doesn’t really reach people unless it involves Scandinavian women getting raped and killed by Muslims and blacks. If race and religion were the causes of crime, the cities and countries I’ve mentioned wouldn’t have the crime rates they have.
Just like with the US, many European nations’ minorities are disproportionately represented in crime, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the problem will get worse over time with greater demographic change. In the US, for example, the crime rate has been steadily decreasing over the past several decades while also becoming more non-white.