[Teedub]

(05-07-2013 12:30 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Pure Jamaican dream team:

4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2

GK-Donovan Ricketts
Defence- Danny Simpson, Adrian Mariappa, Nyron Nosworthy, Danny Rose
Midfield-Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ravel Morrison, Ashley Young, Raheem Sterling
Forward: Daniel Sturridge, Theo Walcott

The rest of my call-ups to fill out a 23-man squad:
-Rodolph Austin
-Aaron Lennon
-James Vaughan
-Jermaine Beckford
-Nathaniel Clyne
-Lloyd Doyley
-Jobi McAnuff
-Kelvin Wilson
-Wayne Routledge
-Nathan Dyer
-Scott Sinclair
-Andre Wisdom

That's a pure English team right there!

[LoveBug]

Never seen anyone in a higher form than Diego Forlan was last world cup.. His touch, passing, the way he was bending that shit, he was beautiful and single handedly makes me want to visit Uruguay

[bojangles]

Going on from a post earlier about players not known as the best - Fernando Redondo, what a dream fucking midfielder. He did what Keane, Viera and Zidane could do all at the same time as one player, there's not been a complete midfielder like that since.

Alvaro Recoba, just liked him for his wand of a left foot.

Guti, he looks like a right homo, real playboy and I remember Real Madrid released a compilation video of their greatest assists, 8 out of the 10 were made by Guti. (look for his 2 backheel assists)

Steve McMananaman, this dude was fucking crazy at dribbling, just wish he knew how to pass and shoot


My current top 11

GK: Ter Stegen
RB: Dani Alves CB: Hummels CB: Thiago Silva LB: Lahm
DM: Javi Martinez
CM: Iniesta CM: Gundogan
RF: Messi CF: Lewandowski LF: Ronaldo

[cardguy]

Wigan winning one-nil! As it stands - Newcastle are going down.

[Excelsior]

(05-07-2013 02:23 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 12:30 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Pure Jamaican dream team:

4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2

GK-Donovan Ricketts
Defence- Danny Simpson, Adrian Mariappa, Nyron Nosworthy, Danny Rose
Midfield-Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ravel Morrison, Ashley Young, Raheem Sterling
Forward: Daniel Sturridge, Theo Walcott

The rest of my call-ups to fill out a 23-man squad:
-Rodolph Austin
-Aaron Lennon
-James Vaughan
-Jermaine Beckford
-Nathaniel Clyne
-Lloyd Doyley
-Jobi McAnuff
-Kelvin Wilson
-Wayne Routledge
-Nathan Dyer
-Scott Sinclair
-Andre Wisdom

That's a pure English team right there!

By nationality, sure...but not by blood.*

A Jamaican anywhere else is still a Jamaican.


*Ok, so some of those guys (ex: Vaughan, Walcott, McAnuff, Routledge) are half english by blood. I concede that bit. Still not pure English though.

[cardguy]

Amazed Liverpool would do this. I always thought they were the club closest to their fans...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchi...eads-down/

[Excelsior]

Now we see why Routledge was getting some rumored attention for the England setup, that was a great ball. He's a longshot to ever suit up for Jamaica but he'd be amazing if he did.

Wigan 1-1 Swansea

[Excelsior]

LOL nvm Wigan back in front 2-1. What a reply.

[cardguy]

Even if Wigan win - I always felt Newcastle would need to lost against QPR.

Yet - if Wigan get a point and Newcastle lose against QPR - Newcastle could easily still go down.

So - it may not be decisive either way. Still - would love it if Wigan win.

[EDIT] WTF! GET IN THERE! 2-1

[Excelsior]

What a game, 2-2!

[cardguy]

shhiiittt!

2-2

[Excelsior]

And onto the pitch comes (the Jamaican) Nathan Dyer for Swansea. He's still trying to beg for an England place despite our offer so let's see if he can be a factor here.

[Excelsior]

LOL Wigan just imploding right there. Swansea up 3-2, and rightfully so.

[cardguy]

I give up Wigan are down.

3-2

[cardguy]

Bad injury to Vaughn. Hope he is ok (listening to it on the radio).

[Matt3B]

(05-07-2013 02:51 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Amazed Liverpool would do this. I always thought they were the club closest to their fans...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchi...eads-down/

Ha! Are they fuck. They care more about foreigners and out of towners than the locals because they know scousers don't buy into all their bullshit PR and marketing, and the locals don't spend money in the club shops.

Why care about the locals when you have thousands of others willing to pay thousands of pounds for one ticket let alone a season ticket. The soul of the club is dying.

There was recently a Hillsborough monument made that required donations for the artist to continue which was in the tens of thousands of pounds. The Hillsborough Justice Campaign raised 37k, the council donated 25k. Guess how much the club donated. They don't give a fuck.

[cardguy]

I'm surprised by that.

But how do the Hillsborugh Justice Campaign feel about Liverpool? They never seem to speak out against the club.

[Nascimento]

(05-07-2013 04:10 AM)LoveBug Wrote:  

Never seen anyone in a higher form than Diego Forlan was last world cup.. His touch, passing, the way he was bending that shit, he was beautiful and single handedly makes me want to visit Uruguay

Forlan in 2010.
Zidane in 2006.
Ronaldo in 2002.

The form of those players at that time during the tournament was exceptional.

Forlan pulled stunning goals out of his ass to take Uruguay to the semis.
Zidane carried a very average French side to the finals.
Ronaldo made up for 1998 with his deciding goals in the tournament, especially in the finals against the strongest German side in years.

Thinking back on 1998, when I was too young to even remember details, my father always told me about how the semi finals Brazil vs Holland was the best game in the entire world cup, and up there for best in history. Just found a link to watch this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWLq9oY6FXE

[rudebwoy]

(05-07-2013 03:41 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 04:10 AM)LoveBug Wrote:  

Never seen anyone in a higher form than Diego Forlan was last world cup.. His touch, passing, the way he was bending that shit, he was beautiful and single handedly makes me want to visit Uruguay

Forlan in 2010.
Zidane in 2006.
Ronaldo in 2002.

The form of those players at that time during the tournament was exceptional.

Forlan pulled stunning goals out of his ass to take Uruguay to the semis.
Zidane carried a very average French side to the finals.
Ronaldo made up for 1998 with his deciding goals in the tournament, especially in the finals against the strongest German side in years.

Thinking back on 1998, when I was too young to even remember details, my father always told me about how the semi finals Brazil vs Holland was the best game in the entire world cup, and up there for best in history. Just found a link to watch this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFQ5sxTqrI

Average French side, you must be joking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIFA_W...ads#France

[Matt3B]

(05-07-2013 03:38 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

I'm surprised by that.

But how do the Hillsborugh Justice Campaign feel about Liverpool? They never seem to speak out against the club.

No idea mate. The club has obviously supported them in the past and I don't think the HJC have any reason the speak out against the club.

[Nascimento]

(05-07-2013 03:46 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Average French side, you must be joking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIFA_W...ads#France

If I recall correctly, the french has some trouble coming out of their group.

And quality wise, yes, incredible players. But having a good team isn't just about pumping out the best players. There are other factors, team chemistry, coaching staff.. Even morale. The French had started the world cup under immense pressure due to their extremely embarrassing campaign in 2002.

It wasn't until they somehow beat Spain who were flying colours with an inspired Ribery that they gained confidence and momentum, toppled a shaky Brazil and knocked down the strongest Portugal side in history that they made the finals.

When I say average, it means as opposed to other opponents. Spain, Brazil, and Portugal were all teams that were all performing stronger than France prior to losing to them.

[Teedub]

(05-07-2013 02:50 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

By nationality, sure...but not by blood.*

A Jamaican anywhere else is still a Jamaican.


*Ok, so some of those guys (ex: Vaughan, Walcott, McAnuff, Routledge) are half english by blood. I concede that bit. Still not pure English though.

Not pure Jamaican though either! Ha. I suppose coming from a minor, minor footballing country like Jamaica, or at least self-identifying with it, justifies your following of all players with a connection to it. I guess it's like if I suddenly became a big fan of Ice Hockey, I'd be mining the NHL for any players with a connection to England.

[rudebwoy]

(05-07-2013 12:30 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Pure Jamaican dream team:

4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2

GK-Donovan Ricketts
Defence- Danny Simpson, Adrian Mariappa, Nyron Nosworthy, Danny Rose
Midfield-Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ravel Morrison, Ashley Young, Raheem Sterling
Forward: Daniel Sturridge, Theo Walcott

The rest of my call-ups to fill out a 23-man squad:
-Rodolph Austin
-Aaron Lennon
-James Vaughan
-Jermaine Beckford
-Nathaniel Clyne
-Lloyd Doyley
-Jobi McAnuff
-Kelvin Wilson
-Wayne Routledge
-Nathan Dyer
-Scott Sinclair
-Andre Wisdom

These guys may have Jamaican blood but they are British to the core, I would be surprised if half of them have even visited Jamaica.
Scott Sinclair is dating some hottie who was voted sexiest woman in Britain.
Did you forget Ricardo Fuller and Simeon Jackson (born in Canada).

[Excelsior]

(05-07-2013 04:11 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Not pure Jamaican though either! Ha. I suppose coming from a minor, minor footballing country like Jamaica, or at least self-identifying with it, justifies your following of all players with a connection to it. I guess it's like if I suddenly became a big fan of Ice Hockey, I'd be mining the NHL for any players with a connection to England.

It is more of a cultural thing. There are actually about as many Jamaicans living outside of Jamaica (2.5 million or so) than on the island of Jamaica itself (2.8 million). We have a long history of migrating in large numbers to faraway places, and a lot of practice maintaining a cultural identity across distances since we're so scattered. There aren't a lot of modern countries with more than 100% of their population overseas in a diaspora.

What I'm doing (following Jamaican descendants in scattered places in football, american football, music, politics, and anything else really) is actually pretty normal in this culture. It is just what happens when you come from a small, scattered population with a well defined identity.

If you're English, you've got a very different historical context to draw from (much larger, much more concentrated populations, though still somewhat scattered).

(05-07-2013 04:11 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Not pure Jamaican though either! Ha. I suppose coming from a minor, minor footballing country like Jamaica

Well hold on now, I think we're good enough to knock off at least one "minor" here. When you put "minor, minor", I start thinking of the St. Vincents and Grenadas of the world, who we dominate.
At least we're in the top quarter for FIFA Rankings and have been to a WC (and got a result). Its something-you could do a lot worse.

[Excelsior]

Espinoza Goal (the highlight of Wigan's lousy day):


Meanwhile, Luis in deep pain: